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Old 02-21-2011, 08:12 PM   #1
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Open sunrider pulling whole soft top back...?

Hi, everybody, I just got a new 2010 2dr Sport that had been on the lot since last April. I drove a '97 Sport for 11 years, so I'm used to lowering and raising the soft top, but I didn't have the Sunrider feature on my TJ. So here's my problem: I drove around today with the Sunrider open but rest of the soft top up and discovered tonight that the back is crumpling in. The whole soft top has shifted back and it's near impossible to pull it back forward and get the front latches in place. Anybody know what I'm doing wrong? Thanks.

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I think there's a limit on how fast you can go with the Sunrider (40mph?). I've had this happen to me as well, and I think it comes from going a little too fast.

Unfortunately, fixing it can be a real pain. I get in the back seat and push forward on the soft top frame by the sound bar.

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Are you pulling the side pins when you open it? You should only be removing the header latches and the channels over the doors when using the sunrider feature.
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Old 02-21-2011, 08:27 PM   #4
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i know that the manual/soft top instructions say that you need to undo the rear window if youre going to run the top open as such.
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Thanks, y'all. I did drive over 40 mph today so that helps explain it. And I can see that removing the rear window would take a lot of weight off the back to make it easier to get the top fully forward again. So I guess that means I need to always remove the rear window when I want to have the sunrider open?
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So I guess that means I need to always remove the rear window when I want to have the sunrider open?
You mean "roll up the rear window," right?

Your Jeep came with two little elastic loops that clip to and hang off of two of the rear struts in the back of the soft top. You roll the window up and loop those straps around each side, such that you never really "need" to fully remove the rear window--you just unzip each side.

Never ride with the sunrider back without either doing this or removing the rear window altogether. Good luck.
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WE have never had a problem with ours. As JD's Dream says, we don't pull the pins over the doors on the top. We have drove well over 40 mph with it open and the back window closed. It has never shifted on us unless we accidentally released those pins. Maybe we were lucky last summer I don't know.
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Old 02-21-2011, 09:14 PM   #8
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Yes..make sure the latch pins above the doors are secure. they can fool you into thinking they are latched though.....Make sure you get a good solid click and then sorta pull on the bow that forms around the door(s). I always ran with the back window down! I do not roll it up but I unzip it with the top zipper and take it all the way to the right side and just lay the window in the back between the tailgate and backseat.....
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I never used my sunrider because it was such a pain to latch closed. I dang near had to take the top off and put it back...because I was doing it wrong. All you need to do is take the drip rails out along the door frame, undo the latches at the windshield and then push the slips forward (i think), then the sunrider will fold back. make sure during this process that you DO NOT unclip the top (thats what makes it sag and a PITA to close up). use the velcro straps to keep it flat. best part is...when its time close up, the sunrider will fall right back into place!

here is the thread in the forum that helped me figure this out:
http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/ano...eat-53415.html
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Old 02-22-2011, 05:44 AM   #10
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Being a 2010 though I dont think you will have the drip rails to out as mentioned above - at least mine doesnt. And agreed with the others, make sure the clips above the doors are firmly locked in.

to get them back in you will need to remove the side and back windows then unclip the rear quarter panels to let the back end hang free, then push the vertical sections behind the doors forward to line up the clips above the doors and they will drop in.

Pull down on the top of the rear quarter sections to make it easier to clip them back under the tub rails, stick in the side and rear window, then simply fold the sunrider back over and it will easily latch into place.

Personally I drop the back window rather than rolling it up as its quicker. I regularly drive at 110 to 120 kmhr (round 65 to 70mph) with the sunrider upen and the back window dropped in. Never had a problem.
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If you are going to be traveling at highway speeds, do not roll up the back window. The constant motion will cause abrasions (ask me how I know). As suggested above either remove or drop the rear window.
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Yup undo rear window and make sure the pins over your doors are still engaged to hold the top in place. My '10 Sahara does not have the loops to roll the window up so I just unzip all the way, leave the bar attache and let it hang on the gate. Sometimes I just unzip either side up and leave the top sipped, seams to work most of the time.

Oh yeah the manual also says to use those 2 velcro straps to lash the bars together after you fold it back.
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You mean "roll up the rear window," right?

Your Jeep came with two little elastic loops that clip to and hang off of two of the rear struts in the back of the soft top. You roll the window up and loop those straps around each side, such that you never really "need" to fully remove the rear window--you just unzip each side.

Never ride with the sunrider back without either doing this or removing the rear window altogether. Good luck.
i hate rolling up the rear window. you always have to clean it first or it gets all scratched up, and when you do roll it up, it's always in your rearward line of sight. i've even had the elastic straps work their way off the window or pop off the snaps. i just yank mine.
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From page 245 of the 2011 Wrangler Owner's Manual:

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NOTE: If you are going to be driving faster than 40 mph
(64 km/h) with the Sunrider feature open, it is recommended
that you remove the rear window of the vehicle.
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Man, all you guys are hating on the "roll up"!

Personally, I like it. I use it for the sunrider position, the "canopy" position (all windows out/down, but top still on), and even for putting down the top entirely.

I used to take the rear window out for all of those positions before I "discovered" the roll up option, but taking it out was always a PITA. Something about getting the zippers to release right at the bottom of the window was always a battle.

Now my rear window almost never comes fully out. If possible, I wipe the window off with a damp paper towel before rolling. This generally keeps it clean and there's no real scratches to speak of.

The straps haven't failed me yet, though they're pretty cheaply made so I'm sure they will. When that happens, I bet they can be replaced with something sturdier. I saw a post once where somebody found a dog collar that snapped to the soft top struts and that supposedly did a very good job. I'll fab up something.

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This is all good--thanks, everybody. I haven't tried yet, but I'm worried about my ability to keep the clasps above the driver's and passenger side doors in place--they seem to pop out really easily. Anybody else feel that way? I got the front latches in place (after some working at it) last night, and to be honest, I'm not convinced that those side clasps are in place right now (it's hard to look in there and see...). This part changed from '08 to '10, didn't it?

As for the rear window and Owner's Manual: interesting. All I got for an owner's manual was a DVD that doesn't have that much information, so thanks for passing along the 40 mph threshold. And in my 11 years of driving a TJ, I always rolled up the rear window using the straps (when I lowered the soft top) and never had any problems. And btw, I think it's funny that an improvement from 2010 to 2011 that's being touted is the lockable center console--my center's not lockable on my 2010, which is no big deal to me, but it was lockable on my '97! Everything comes back around, I guess...
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I don't have a soft top, so I've never rolled any Jeep windows. But, I used to own a boat that I could roll up the windows. One of the tricks I was taught by an old-timer, was to hold out the window and lay a terry towel flat on it, then roll the window up. Even worked if the towel was wet. Kept the "glass" from rubbing on itself.
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.... I'm worried about my ability to keep the clasps above the driver's and passenger side doors in place--they seem to pop out really easily. ...This part changed from '08 to '10, didn't it?
They should be spring loaded and hold themselves in place. You really need to pop all the windows out to remove all tension from the rear first before you even bother trying to get it clipped in.

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....driving a TJ, I always rolled up the rear window using the straps (when I lowered the soft top) and never had any problems.
I tried rolling up the window once, but it doesnt roll up far enough and blocked the rear view so I just unzip right around and flop it into the rear cargo space

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....my center's not lockable on my 2010..
Thats strange, mine does! Same as the glovebox.
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... And btw, I think it's funny that an improvement from 2010 to 2011 that's being touted is the lockable center console--my center's not lockable on my 2010, which is no big deal to me, but it was lockable on my '97! Everything comes back around, I guess...
The key cylinder on the '97 - '06 was on the top of the center console lid. On the '07 - '11 the cylinder is hidden on the front of the lid. Yours does have a lockable center console.

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If you roll up the back window, do you remove the frame piece? The part it is slid into that has the weather seal for the tailgate... Or just roll it up inside?
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I just unzip the rear window 'till the zipper pulls are on the top, horizontal portion of the window and then leave everything else connected. This allows air to pass well enough to not collapse or tear the top when traveling at highway speeds.
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I have a 2008 with the sunrider and I've had no problems with it. Just don't undo the latch pins. When I'm done, it flips right back into place with no problems. I also just unzip the back window and either let it flop down or pull it completely out. The only thing is that my back window zipper is a bit of a PITA.
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I take my window out...rolling it up can cause creases and scratches.
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I have a2010 with the sunrider and I've had no problems ether. I do it almost every day, like people say about don't undo the latch pins. I drive it in highway 70mph with no issue and sometimes I dont even unzip rear window. It will take me about 30sec to open and 20sec to close
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Used the sunrider for the first time today. I rolled the rear window up and used the straps and my conclusion is that I won't do that again unless I put something over the rear bar. It did leave some rub marks that I wasn't too happy about. Overall it was great. Very easy to do once I practiced a few times in the driveway getting it to fold just right. I am going to buy some felt from walmart and use it to put in between when it try rolling it up again. I will also be experimenting with allowing the window to lay inside the back and maybe even just unzipping the window and leaving the bottom attached. I will be curious to see what works best. I live in Ohio, so removing everything and the entire top completely is a ways away with our crappy weather.
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You'll never catch me rolling my rear window. I did that on my old YJ and the window was almost unusable after a few months. Ive been unzipping the window and letting it ride against the tailgate for over 4 years and the window still looks like new.

As for the sunrider top. The rear sail panels often come unhooked at speeds greater than 40. I fixed that by folding the sail panels up near the main part of the soft top (near the 90 degree bend on the rear hoop) and secure them with bungee balls. Gives the top kind of a "safari" look. I haven't had a problem with the top since.

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