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Old 10-18-2012, 06:52 AM   #1
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Lets hope this cures my issues.

Looking around for brackets to beef up the
frame mount I found this.
I can't find any info on it. Anyone know anything about this full traction frame bracket and brace ?

http://www.full-traction.com/detail....TID=505&NOTES=
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Lets hope this cures my issues.

Looking around for brackets to beef up the
frame mount I found this.
I can't find any info on it. Anyone know anything about this full traction frame bracket and brace ?

http://www.full-traction.com/detail....TID=505&NOTES=
ask kbwwolf he is full traction expert

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Old 10-18-2012, 07:02 AM   #3
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ask kbwwolf he is full traction expert
I know he's got a FT lift kit... Yep
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The jeep I just traded in, with like 14k on it, had the beginnings of this too. Made me mad so I traded it in. Just kiddin...but it really did.
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The jeep I just traded in, with like 14k on it, had the beginnings of this too. Made me mad so I traded it in. Just kiddin...but it really did.
Oh yea, you did mention that. Did they test drive it?
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I don't think my 9/16 shouldered bolts are holding torque any more.
I mean the nut is tight but the bolt/nut turns as a whole easily within the mounts.

My 2 frame lca bolts are like this and TB bolts.
Doesn't seem right. They shouldn't move at 125
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Oh yea, you did mention that. Did they test drive it?
No they didn't. They wouldn't have noticed anything anyway - it wasn't bad yet. The only reason I knew was because my SS relocation bracket was loose so I kept feeling a clunk in the wheel so the guys were checking it out & noticed the slop with the tb holes.
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What do you call "turning easily"? I'm 6' 4" and 275#, so my "easily" isn't always the same as a little guy's "easily."
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What do you call "turning easily"? I'm 6' 4" and 275#, so my "easily" isn't always the same as a little guy's "easily."
Huumm.. Maybe 75 ft lbs less.
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Go with the Poly bracket that Frshmt mentioned in your other thread.
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Go with the Poly bracket that Frshmt mentioned in your other thread.
Can you answer that question ?

Should the bolt and nut turn easily even though its torqued to 125 ?

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i just read some engineering mojo about torque and bolts. Made little sense to my dumb ass lol
Something like once a bolt is torqued its like a spring- stretches and clamps whatever it's tightened up against. So a bolt is no good after removal because its stretched out and won't hold anymore.
Make sense ? That's what I thought rofl
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Torque bolts are designed to stretch ever so slightly and therefore should not be used.

Can you run the nut all the way down the bolt by hand? It could be a worn out locking nut.
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that's technically correct. A bolt does stretch when torque is applied to it. That torque value factors the bolts "stretch". Obviously there are many factors, but that's how they get the torque tables for bolts. It's a function on the yield strength of the bolt.
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that's technically correct. A bolt does stretch when torque is applied to it. That torque value factors the bolts "stretch". Obviously there are many factors, but that's how they get the torque tables for bolts. It's a function on the yield strength of the bolt.
So Basically one maybe twice (torqued )More and the bolt should be replaced ?
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Torque bolts are designed to stretch ever so slightly and therefore should not be used.

Can you run the nut all the way down the bolt by hand? It could be a worn out locking nut.
No the nut still grabs. Maybe I should try replacing the nut or use a lock washer ?

Or am I getting a false 125. I'm thinking I should not be able to turn the bolts.
It's like it's torqued to 125 but not holding the mount at 125.
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Can you answer that question ?

Should the bolt and nut turn easily even though its torqued to 125 ?

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i just read some engineering mojo about torque and bolts. Made little sense to my dumb ass lol
Something like once a bolt is torqued its like a spring- stretches and clamps whatever it's tightened up against. So a bolt is no good after removal because its stretched out and won't hold anymore.
Make sense ? That's what I thought rofl

For the average person using a 1/2" drive breaker bar and socket, it should take some effort to turn the bolt if it is torqued to 125 ft lbs.

Are the washers under the bolt head and nut soft or hard?

The engineering info you read is correct. However, it takes much more force to stretch a Grade 8 or 9 bolt compared to a Grade 5 for example.
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For the average person using a 1/2" drive breaker bar and socket, it should take some effort to turn the bolt if it is torqued to 125 ft lbs.

Are the washers under the bolt head and nut soft or hard?
When the other end is held with a box wrench or whatever it's tight.
I'm using the poly bolt kit.

Got me thinking. What if I use a thinner washer. Maybe grab a new run of threads ?
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So Basically one maybe twice (torqued )More and the bolt should be replaced ?
In a perfect world yes, but these aren't killer torque values for this size of bolt. If you've done it 20 times I'd replace it, but that's just me.

I'm hoping some of the engineers on this forum will chime in. It's been a few years since I was in school and I don't use this everyday.
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As long as the threads are intact, a thinner washer isn't necessary. Are you using an el cheapo torque wrench?
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In a perfect world yes, but these aren't killer torque values for this size of bolt. If you've done it 20 times I'd replace it, but that's just me.

I'm hoping some of the engineers on this forum will chime in. It's been a few years since I was in school and I don't use this everyday.

And I thought this was a stupid question.

Something we all should know actually

Engineers ?
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And I thought this was a stupid question.

Something we all should know actually

Engineers ?
Not at all. Most people don't know material properties.

I can't be the only one....
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Is the hole in the mount worn out of round? Ive heard of guys welding washers to the mount because of an elongated hole. If you know a machinist have him make up "washers" that are thicker than store washers maybe that will help once welded on, not sure
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Is the hole in the mount worn out of round? Ive heard of guys welding washers to the mount because of an elongated hole. If you know a machinist have him make up "washers" that are thicker than store washers maybe that will help once welded on, not sure
Yes... I've heard that as well.
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This reminds me...I really need to change out those bolts. I've got 3600 miles now and I'm starting to worry I've already waited to long. I keep stalling because I haven't bought a torque wrench yet.
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Where and what are these bolts? You guys got me scared my car is going to fall apart whb I'm driving now
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