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Old 12-16-2010, 07:20 AM   #1
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Since you're the resident lighting expert, I wanted to pick your brain.

First, I installed a set of IPF 968 driving lights. Right now, they use the included 55w bulbs. They also came with 100w bulbs, but I'm hesitant to use them. I plan on using these as my high beams (more on that in a minute) so I want to keep them legal. What 55w bulb would you recommend for this situation? They use H3 bulbs. I'm leaning toward the German spec Philips bulbs.

Second, I am going to be purchasing the IPF H4 conversion kit. I'm going to dump the blue tinted bulbs that come with the kit for a set of the Philips Extreme Power H4 bulbs. Are these Philips the way to go here? After doing some research about this kit, I've read that the high beams are focused a bit too high, but the low beam light is outstanding. Hence the desire to use my driving lights as my high beams.

I've tried contacting Daniel Stern a couple times to no avail, so that's not an option. This complete project looks to cost me about $250, which from my understanding is cheaper than one of his kits, but also not quite as good. I'd prefer to do this without adding relays and new wiring and so on, so this looks to be the best plug and play setup out there.

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What I learnt from reading HW post was you need the wiring to power the lights properly. If I remember right he is not a fan of the IPFs.

I did the Rallylight H4 kit and it was less than $250 and it made a huge difference.

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The IPF kit itself is around $160. I'm including the cost of the upgraded bulbs for the headlights and my driving lights.

I've seen the Rallylight kit as well. I'm certainly open to other/better options, but I can't spend a whole lot on this.
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I choose the Rallylight kit as I read he preferred that if one could not afford the Daniel Stern kits. The Rallylight kit is plug and play and if I can install it anyone can
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the install doesn't scare me in the least, but the rallylight kit is a bit more pricey.
i haven't seen any negative feedback about the ipf kit or the rallylights kit while searching google. it looks like a lot of folks on one of the jk specific boards are raving about the ipf kit.
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Old 12-16-2010, 10:49 AM   #6
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HD is the resident expert on jeep lighting, no doubt about that

My choice is different --

I use LUMINIC H13 (yellow spec) replacement bulbs that cover a broader visible area and have no blinding effect on approaching traffic-it's a very pleasing border visible yellow-



When I need MORE "WHITE" light, I turn on the fogs and driving lights


Cost was about $50 bucks a year ago

Check for your state headlight laws

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I have the IPF kits installed on two of my Jeeps. They work great. The issue some have with them is they are not stamped as legal, but they certainly are not glaring. The issue of legality is up to the manufacturer. They are no different than the stamped Ecodes I've seen. The other contention is that they use a pigtail harness rather than replacing factory wiring. This is also a non-issue since they draw about the same as stock bulbs and don't overtax the system. Is it the best available?...no, the best bet is to replace everything. Is it a big improvement over stock...YES, and there are hundreds of Jeep owners who have them and love them.
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Is it a big improvement over stock...YES,
that is basically all i need to hear.
i find the factory low beam cut off to be too low and the high beams are practically useless. the driving lights help a great deal, but even with them focused no higher than the stock headlights, people still flash me. so i figured to replace the headlights, re-aim the low beams a little and use the driving lights as high beams.
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jimbo: you also have a pre-2010 jk, don't you? yeah, the 2010 fogs are pretty much useless aside form using them as parking lights at dawn and dusk.
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I have the IPF kits installed on two of my Jeeps. They work great. The issue some have with them is they are not stamped as legal, but they certainly are not glaring. The issue of legality is up to the manufacturer. They are no different than the stamped Ecodes I've seen. The other contention is that they use a pigtail harness rather than replacing factory wiring. This is also a non-issue since they draw about the same as stock bulbs and don't overtax the system. Is it the best available?...no, the best bet is to replace everything. Is it a big improvement over stock...YES, and there are hundreds of Jeep owners who have them and love them.
Im also one of those people who have em and love em.
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Heh Heh, I've never heard "pre-2010 JK", but it's true-


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jimbo: you also have a pre-2010 jk, don't you? yeah, the 2010 fogs are pretty much useless aside form using them as parking lights at dawn and dusk.
Yea my fogs are pretty bright and my aux driving lighs kinda outshine the stock headlights and thats why I went with the Luminic bulbs-

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I just got done doing the rallylights kit. I also added the philips xtreme power bulbs. Night and day difference. Total cost is right at what your budget is.

I can't comment on the ipf system other than they do not come with an upgraded harness. That is why the ipf kit is cheaper.

I have never been so happy with just headlights. The low beams are great and the high beams actually work now. Not only do they work but they light up as far as I can clearly see. My suggestion is go with the rallylights kit and upgrade to the philips bulbs.

I have some pics but have not uploaded them. I would be happy to email them if you pm me your address. I installed LED driving lights in the grill at the same. I have been meaning to post up a thread showing it all off but have been busy.
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pics aren't really necessary, a honest testimonial means more to me.
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FYI....I just got off the phone with rallylight.com, and Will told me that the kits are flying off the shelf right now.

They have the harnesses and upgrade bulbs(Phillips extreme +80), but they are out of the replacement lenses.

A new shipment is due by Monday, you may want to get this on order....mine is on the way...yippee
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Old 12-16-2010, 03:32 PM   #15
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well, i'm waiting on christmas money, lol.
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well, i'm waiting on christmas money, lol.

Aren't we all...lol. Those guys are top notch, they'll have 'em within a couple days if not when you order.

Mine was $214.00 with the holiday discount of 10%, but because I live in PA, where they're located, tax was involved too...

I upgraded my bulbs when I ordered, and they give you the price of the kit bulbs towards the order.

This was a no-hassle phone order, I'm pleased...good luck!
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When I ordered they were out of the hella housings as well. Took about two weeks to ship. I love the lights but was not happy at all with the customer service. Had nothing to do with th wait either. Great kit but they won't get my money again.
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thanks for the input folks. i like the fact that i can upgrade the bulbs with the rallylights kit and get credit for the ones that come with the kit. mayhaps i'll go with the rallylights kit.....

so, about the bulb choice for the driving lights......
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Sinister,
The 968s can't function "as highbeams" ----- they can augment your highbeams though. That wonky reflector set-up should do a great job of filling things in.
They're technically offroad lights though.

And the IPF H4 housings aren't legal. It's not that I don't like them, per se, it's just that IPF still refuses to have them tested for some reason. There are lots of them on the road though, lots of happy customers, and I've never heard of a ticket.
Caveat emptor. I'd rather use something I know is legal. Especially when 4WheelParts has the Hella housings on sale for $30 each right now.

A pigtail adapter alone makes the voltage drop of the JK worse than it is already. You can't compare it to a TJ since TJs didn't have PWM and CANBUS to throttle the power.
A full harness with relays means full power and full potential from your lights. You can easily fool your eyes but you can't fool a meter...

Strange about Daniel Stern not getting back to you; I always get quick answers.
Maybe your email is kicking his spam filter?
The Cibie housings he sells really are superior to even the Hellas. Don't underestimate the value of good focus; that's why I like the new Phillips Xtreme bulbs so much.
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so, about the bulb choice for the driving lights......
Use the 100 and have your highbeam circuit as the relay trip.
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thanks HD.

i use a hotmail address, so i can't imagine his inbox spamming one of the most popular domains. could be though.

i don't want to connect to the high beam circuit, i want to be able to turn them on and off whenever. the 968's do a great job supplementing my low beams, how i have them aimed now. great light for the money. i have also found that not every situation calls for high beams and that lows with the driving lights is much better.

the laws for maryland state that i can have no more than 2 sets of lights on at once, so long as both adhere to the 55/60w limit. meaning heads and fogs, or heads and driving, or i'd imagine driving and fogs even. so technically my idea is legal with the 55w bulb. i haven't tried to see what the high beam aim pattern looks like though.

obviously if i can get a good low and high pattern with whatever kit i go with, the driving lights can be used for supplemental lighting whenever i feel the need. i've been toying with the idea of yellow film for the stock fogs and yellow bulbs (luminics most likely, i've had good luck with their stuff) for the driving lights.
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obviously if i can get a good low and high pattern with whatever kit i go with, the driving lights can be used for supplemental lighting whenever i feel the need. i've been toying with the idea of yellow film for the stock fogs and yellow bulbs (luminics most likely, i've had good luck with their stuff) for the driving lights.
If you do any night highway driving, I'd say to get Cibie housings and the Phillips bulbs. Great spread, legal light.
I'm not a fan of Luminics as a company since most of their products are Disney-bulb tripe; but if the yellows are working for people, what the hay. I still have to keep them on the dubious list though...
How about two sets of relays and two switches for the IPF lights?
One that's toggled through the running lights so you can have them whenever, one that's toggled through the highbeam circuit so you can turn them off simultaneously with the highbeam stalk. That stalk is a big convenience.
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you are a wealth of information, sir. i appreciate your input.

i don't do much highway driving at all. what i'd really prefer is something with a wider pattern to better illuminate the sides of the road. lots of deer around here. the factory lights don't do this very well and are aimed too low in my opinion. the highs are almost useless.
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Mr. do you have driving lights, like my pic ??


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you are a wealth of information, sir. i appreciate your input.

i don't do much highway driving at all. what i'd really prefer is something with a wider pattern to better illuminate the sides of the road. lots of deer around here. the factory lights don't do this very well and are aimed too low in my opinion. the highs are almost useless.
Aux lights are great, sometimes when I'm in the desert at night,I 'll turn those aux lights full right/full left and see everything-

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i do:



yes, i do remove the stone guards when using them, lol.
part of my original post was looking for ideas on better bulbs for these. they came with a set of 100w bulbs as well, but i haven't tried them yet.
i did try angling them for the sides of the road, but can't quite get the angle and elevation right.
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Yea, yours are quite a bit more restricted than mine and getting to that 3/4" nut underneath is a little tough, but


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yes, i do remove the stone guards when using them, lol.
part of my original post was looking for ideas on better bulbs for these. they came with a set of 100w bulbs as well, but i haven't tried them yet.
i did try angling them for the sides of the road, but can't quite get the angle and elevation right.
The light mounts probably have the same mount spacers as mine and they are not flat spacers, they have off-angles, so each one will alter the verticle plane of the light up/down-

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the adjustment nuts are on the top now, i be smrt and flipped the reflectors in their housings.


they actually didn't come with any of those spacers, but i know what you're talking about.
you can tell the kind of nerd i am when i had the level and protractor out to get them angled exactly the same.
of course that's all blown to hell now by me messing with them.
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you are a wealth of information, sir. i appreciate your input.

i don't do much highway driving at all. what i'd really prefer is something with a wider pattern to better illuminate the sides of the road. lots of deer around here. the factory lights don't do this very well and are aimed too low in my opinion. the highs are almost useless.
I dug these out on the "other" forum just now so I should share with you too.

Here's the photometry on the Hella housings that Rallylights sells (I have these). Note that the hot spot is straight in front, lots of foreground light, not much to the sides at all:


Here's the Cibie product that Daniel Stern sells the most; lots more light to the sides and the foreground light doesn't dominate:


And this is the Cibie Z-Beam, hard to find but worth it; can you say "clean"?


There's another product if you can find it that you can only get from Nissan or Toyota dealers (if you're lucky) that was designed by Koito. I'd have to look for the part number but they're the cat's pajamas too. But I don't think anybody stocks them anymore...
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now if DS would just email me back.....
is there any improvement with side adjustment on the rallylights kit?
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now if DS would just email me back.....
is there any improvement with side adjustment on the rallylights kit?
You can't adjust the side illumination on the Hellas; they are what they are.

PM me you email address and I'll holler at DS for you.
All of those photometric shots are his, btw.

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