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Old 01-27-2012, 01:36 PM   #1
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I normally change my own filter and use Mobil 1. I'm about to purchase a 2012 Sahara Unlimited using Tread Lightly. All of the dealers are essentially honoring the 1% below factory, but one dealer offered "lifetime oil changes" that provided some tempting separation from the others. My concern is the quality of the oil and oil filters they will use. Any advice on whether I should bite on this or be wary?

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I normally change my own filter and use Mobil 1. I'm about to purchase a 2012 Sahara Unlimited using Tread Lightly. All of the dealers are essentially honoring the 1% below factory, but one dealer offered "lifetime oil changes" that provided some tempting separation from the others. My concern is the quality of the oil and oil filters they will use. Any advice on whether I should bite on this or be wary?
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I normally change my own filter and use Mobil 1. I'm about to purchase a 2012 Sahara Unlimited using Tread Lightly. All of the dealers are essentially honoring the 1% below factory, but one dealer offered "lifetime oil changes" that provided some tempting separation from the others. My concern is the quality of the oil and oil filters they will use. Any advice on whether I should bite on this or be wary?
If all offers are equal except one is offering the fee oil changes, it seems like a no brainer to me. You don't HAVE to use them at every oil change interval do you? And, as kj says, they are going to use Mopar filters and OEM spec oil. But, you can still change your own if you want.
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Old 01-27-2012, 01:48 PM   #4
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How often will they change the oil under that lifetime oil change plan? The main reason to run a synthetic is for the increase of the change intervals. If they're changing every 3K, what does it matter?
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I have the chrysler oil change deal with my '12 JKR. Yeah, it's a joke. Their idea of interval is every 7500 miles or 6 months. And they use conventional! 7500 miles for conventional is unacceptable. BUT, you don't have to go by their intervals. Basically they'll give you an allotment of how many changes they will provide based off the interval above. So, for me, it was 2 years of oil changes. Or 4 total. I'm free to use them whenever I want, but I only get 4.

So, lifetime, it's more than likely for the life of their warranty which is 3/36. So you'd get 6 changes for free. Or about a $200 value.
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I would make sure that they fully disclose what is involved. I had two dealers offer me free life-time oils changes, but they each had an asterisk to the deal.

One required that I pay full price for the service items during that particular service interval, which is to say that if at the 7k oil change it also requires a tire rotation, the oil change is free, but I would have to pay for the tire rotation.

Another dealer offered the free oil change, but I had to pay a "Diagnostic" fee of $45 during each visit, where they would go over the Jeep and tell me of any problems. It just so happens that the same dealer also charges $45 for an oil change. So the point is, make sure you get the full disclosure, nothing is ever FREE.
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Thanks for the feedback. In the end, it really probably does not add up to much. I was more concerned about the quality of the oil and filter. I've had good luck with synthetics. The Sahara will replace a 17 year old Camry with 372,000 miles. And it's engine was still purring. Yes, the intervals widen, but I'm thinking longevity is affected as well.
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Thanks for the feedback. In the end, it really probably does not add up to much. I was more concerned about the quality of the oil and filter. I've had good luck with synthetics. The Sahara will replace a 17 year old Camry with 372,000 miles. And it's engine was still purring. Yes, the intervals widen, but I'm thinking longevity is affected as well.
hold on! not so sure longer intervals affect longevity. consider that new engines have new metals, far better machining to produce engines, tighter tolerances and of course less metal shavings after break in. they also hold a lot more oil than engines of the past. i think, i am too lazy to check, the 350, 383 and 400 engines from the sixties and seventies only held 4 quarts. dino oils of today are far superior to the dino oils of the past. the filters, depending on the brand use a better filter medium and are built better. that being said, i use whatever synthetic is on sale at wallmart in the proper weight of course, and used a mopar filter until i can find a better one at napa or azone. but i am going according to the manual and changing at between 6500 and 7000 miles.
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For some people it might be ok! I prefer to do my own as it's just easier and I know the job is done RIGHT! I have only had the dealer change my oil maybe 3-4 times in my life and I have been driving for 35+ years. On 2 occasions (different) dealers they did a crappy job. One put 5 quarts in when it only took 4 and the other made such a damned mess that I had to come home and crawl underneath and wipe all the excess off. In the time it takes to drive to the dealership I can have mine done and be sitting back drinking a cold one admiring my good work. Just my opinion. Like I said for some people it might be a dealbreaker. I have free for a year but no more than I drive I might not get that one.
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If you're concerned about oil change intervals, take a sample when you drain and it send it to Blackstone Labs. $25 and they'll break down the contents of the oil and give you a recommendation on your interval. Worth every penny. 7500 miles on a modern engine, even with conventional oil, is not necessarily outrageous.
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I bought mine through Filter1 . $2.72 per filter with $5 shipping, or free shipping at $50.

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For some people it might be ok! I prefer to do my own as it's just easier and I know the job is done RIGHT! I have only had the dealer change my oil maybe 3-4 times in my life and I have been driving for 35+ years. On 2 occasions (different) dealers they did a crappy job. One put 5 quarts in when it only took 4 and the other made such a damned mess that I had to come home and crawl underneath and wipe all the excess off. In the time it takes to drive to the dealership I can have mine done and be sitting back drinking a cold one admiring my good work. Just my opinion. Like I said for some people it might be a dealbreaker. I have free for a year but no more than I drive I might not get that one.
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I change my own oil, use the oil and filter I want and I know it's done right. My salesman started talking about free oild changes and I just tuned him out....all I heard was "you know, we offer free oil changes for bla....bla....bla...mumble....mumble"

To be honest, I don't know if I have free oil changes or not LOL!

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