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Old 03-18-2013, 06:02 AM   #61
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There is a risk in modifying any factory vehicle. That's not news. It's something you have to accept or else remain stock. The reward is increased performance.
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In what world do you live in that 100whp gain is MASSIVE?
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its almost a 50% increase in horsepower at the rear wheels according to the op......that is impressive and a massive increase imo.

this is gonna be a wait and seee thing. we will soon find out how the pentastar powertrain deals with forced induction.

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Really suprising why would they tell you any different? so they can sell fewer kits? I read threads from vendors all the time talking about breaks, failures, and conflicts with their products and other components.
Seems like you guys are happy to be fed what you want to hear, especially when it's coming from the manufacturer. Just my opinion. I forgot how much post count reflects on the quality or legitimacy of the information. I'm done here.
Sir, if you took a second to look at LAST Years pictures of our Moab trip, you'd see that we were already supercharged and had a test tune in for 10000 miles.... There was no way to deliver programming to the end user so the unit was placed aside while the rest of the industry caught up to us.

In the interim we developed a CARB Approved system for the GEN1 JK stuff..

RIPP Prides itself on its integrity and good name - we do not feed anyone anything false, we set expectation WAY early. We took extra early delivery of our 2012 please see the dat Sep/2011 on this video.




We later tested air filter (JAN/2012) system to again set expectation for the community and dissolve any baseless claims other manufactures may have about a better breathing air filter.




Some didn't believe the claim - so we backed it up



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It is ill conceived to believe that adding over 100 hp is not gonna cause issues in a vehicle not designed for that power. Are you going to go on record and say that the factory clutch will be fine and not wear or fail any sooner when running this system as some have obviously come to believe? Saying that the vast majority are happy means nothing, since the minority has major issues that were not solved without serious and expensive modifications such as rebuilding transmissions etc. That is the point I'm trying to make here. It's difficult to really claim any reliability since this poster is what, the second rig to have the kit? Just trying to create awareness to the implications of adding forced induction to a vehicle that was not engineered from the ground up to accept it. I'd love to have more power, but I've gone down that road and KNOW what to expect. And I really hope you are not comparing the jeep to the Bentley
We do not manufacture clutches - we manufacture supercharger kits AND we do a really good job making sure we do not slam the engine with over-baring power.

NO - we would NOT go on the record saying your NOT going to blow your clutch because as you know a driver can blow his clutch with stock power and poor driving.

The "On the record" thing we can and will say, is you can easily drive a centrifugal system WAY out of boost all the time and take advantage of the extra air the blower delivers at cruising speeds, this will increase MPG and power with out blowing anything up. IF you're looking to slam through gears at ever corner and at ever light then YES you'll prematurely wear it out.

Now - considering the drive-train is MUCH (much) better than the previous generation JK (07-2011) and we've logged 100000's of thousands of miles with that community with exceptional results YES - we feel (as developers of the product) we stand in the best position to say yes, the clutch and transmission have tested well... and we do not expect the clutches to mushroom cloud out of the truck.... BUT given the driver ANYTHING can break.

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Very cool. Do you have a boost gauge to find out how much boost it's running?

I don't have any concerns with the gears at all. Sudden torque usually kills gears and the centrifugal superchargers are more progressive, not a huge instance torque increase. Clutch will definitely wear out faster that's just the nature of the beast.

The engine? I don't really trust the Pentastar that much so I'm interested to see how things turn out longer-term.
All our kits are set up at 8psi peak... we ARE Extremely conservative, we do not need or want to break anything. We have had more boost in these engines but again... The dynamic of a centrifugal is to deliver air (boost) in the natural engines air curve... Most of the time you can use 1-4psi just to get you over the hill of while you're towing. This aspect of a centrifugal cannot be beat by root or turbo type system which suffer from heat soak and back pressure. If you go full tilt on the throttle it will ramp the 4-8psi quickly and off you go.... However, we go out of out way to make sure the fuel an timing maps are within safe zones and will not over extend the engine/drive-train.


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Why do people have to be dicks? RTguy go rain on someone else thread. God i hate when people pick what others have apart.
I think your jeep with a supercharger is badass and don't play into this fool.
How do you think our staff feels - this is a year in the making for the crew at RIPP AND WE are extremely proud... Its OKAY THOUGH we know where are feet are and what we produce and luckily we have a huge network of clients who follow and trust RIPP - at this point there are 2200+ GEN1 JK kits out there... we have a LESS THAN -% fail rate and an near 100% approval rate... that in itself make these types threads expected humps, but gives us the energy to over come the ney-say'rs.


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This is a fascinating thread.

Adding a supercharger to a vehicle spells the end of factory warranty coverage to any power train components, for sure. But frankly, if you have 6k to drop on a supercharger for your Wrangler, I doubt that drivetrain warranty is tops on your list of concerns. If it is, you'd better reconsider your investment.

Are there are any other stock vehicles pushing similar torque numbers through the same tranny/drivetrain components? If so, Ripp is likely correct in their assertion that the components can handle the extra twist. You still wouldn't have a chance in hell of obtaining warranty service, of course, unless you were able to hide your dirty little secret from Chrysler for your visit to the stealership!
The warranty is not necessarily true or a problem, it depends on the dealer, we've had a real good track record at dealers across the world - Plus when you install a RIPP kit, you don't cut or weld anything, its completely reversible... so in the odd case where you had to take it out, its come out fairly straight forward.

But lets be real.... if something serious should happen, wouldn't we remove the things that "could" cause a warranty issue? - additionally they're not going to drop your warranty if you go in with a wiper or window issue... and lastly as clutch is a wear item and it will not be covered no matter what.
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^^^props for addressing my points head on and honestly.
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ok then. Ripp just swung a wrecking ball through the thread. Well done.

I'll take this opportunity to get back on track.

Im going to crank out he idle video next. easy enough. stay tuned.
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With any forced induction engine, longevity largely comes down to how good your pistons and connecting rods are.

And, of course, how you treat it.

I would think that the rest of the drivetrain should be up to the task.
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My take is this - I think the auto new trans is going to be fine behind the RIPP, I certainly think the Rubi tx case/diffs will hold up, probably the Sport/Sahara too. Not sure how confident I'd be with a stick, but it's always up to you to drive reasonably and you should be ok.

What worries me is the "little stuff." Not so much the engine chucking a rod or the transmission spontaneously combusting, but stuff like that throttle body issue that was mentioned, or belt issues, or pulley issues, whatever. Stuff that, if you have time to deal with it, isn't that bad or costly. For me, I just have absolutely no time to be "messing" with stuff, I need to get in and go and KNOW that I will have no problems.

So my feeling is hey, I am interested but I am not going to be an early adopter. I will let other guys go first, get their hands dirty and see what shakes out. In a few years I will choose between upgrading what I have with a RIPP vs. seeing what else is available from the factory (e.g., diesel).

One question for the RIPP tech - what about towing? There are times when I see sustained 3500 rpm into the wind for hours in third gear, and sustained 5000 rpm climbs that last several minutes. Can I do anything to "detune" the RIPP system to make *absolutely* sure everything is fine under these circumstances, or would you say the safety margin is already built in to the tune you have? Seems like being a little too rich with timing a bit retarded vs. optimal and a bit less boost would be a good thing for long-term towing duty.
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My take is this - I think the auto new trans is going to be fine behind the RIPP, I certainly think the Rubi tx case/diffs will hold up, probably the Sport/Sahara too. Not sure how confident I'd be with a stick, but it's always up to you to drive reasonably and you should be ok.

What worries me is the "little stuff." Not so much the engine chucking a rod or the transmission spontaneously combusting, but stuff like that throttle body issue that was mentioned, or belt issues, or pulley issues, whatever. Stuff that, if you have time to deal with it, isn't that bad or costly. For me, I just have absolutely no time to be "messing" with stuff, I need to get in and go and KNOW that I will have no problems.

So my feeling is hey, I am interested but I am not going to be an early adopter. I will let other guys go first, get their hands dirty and see what shakes out. In a few years I will choose between upgrading what I have with a RIPP vs. seeing what else is available from the factory (e.g., diesel).

One question for the RIPP tech - what about towing? There are times when I see sustained 3500 rpm into the wind for hours in third gear, and sustained 5000 rpm climbs that last several minutes. Can I do anything to "detune" the RIPP system to make *absolutely* sure everything is fine under these circumstances, or would you say the safety margin is already built in to the tune you have? Seems like being a little too rich with timing a bit retarded vs. optimal and a bit less boost would be a good thing for long-term towing duty.

Thank you for input - we appreciate the direction ... the hardware we are running carry's over from the GEN1 JK with the 3.8. The compressor is still a Vortech-V3 self contained unit which requires service once a year with a simple oil change. We manufacture our own idlers out of billet stainless and stuff them with high quality bearings - The hardware is made in the USA, so grade 8 IS ACTUALLY GRADE 8... Lastly our, injectors and MAP sensor are OEM quality... also the belt is a GATES top...

There is no need to DE-Tune anything - our tuning will know when your environment changes... This is called load mapping... once you put the jeep into a situation the system will know what its up against. For example, if an end user is on a trails on a hot day for a long time, we will see the air temps and flip on the fan accordingly... same goes with trans and engine temps as well...

This is one of our clients showing off his supercharged JK in Cali


At 3500rpm you are still only tipped in unless you call up more boost... at which point the Mapping will adjust. Its not like your running a static map like old race cars, today's electronics are adaptive and we do not shut any of the safety features off... In short our calibrations should run better than OEM...

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When are these expected to be released? Is there any pre-order discount? If you are mechanical, but by no means a mechanic, are you expected to be able to self install? If not, what is the average shop time for a mechanic to throw this on?
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When are these expected to be released? Is there any pre-order discount? If you are mechanical, but by no means a mechanic, are you expected to be able to self install? If not, what is the average shop time for a mechanic to throw this on?

you can expect install to go 5 or 6 hours.
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Thank you for input - we appreciate the direction ... the hardware we are running carry's over from the GEN1 JK with the 3.8. The compressor is still a Vortech-V3 self contained unit which requires service once a year with a simple oil change. We manufacture our own idlers out of billet stainless and stuff them with high quality bearings - The hardware is made in the USA, so grade 8 IS ACTUALLY GRADE 8... Lastly our, injectors and MAP sensor are OEM quality... also the belt is a GATES top...

There is no need to DE-Tune anything - our tuning will know when your environment changes... This is called load mapping... once you put the jeep into a situation the system will know what its up against. For example, if an end user is on a trails on a hot day for a long time, we will see the air temps and flip on the fan accordingly... same goes with trans and engine temps as well...

This is one of our clients showing off his supercharged JK in Cali


At 3500rpm you are still only tipped in unless you call up more boost... at which point the Mapping will adjust. Its not like your running a static map like old race cars, today's electronics are adaptive and we do not shut any of the safety features off... In short our calibrations should run better than OEM...

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This is good stuff to know. Do you have many folks that tow with 3.8/RIPP JKU's?
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I know this maybe a stupid question but will any of the maps support regular octane fuel. Just curious
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Don't see how anyone is chirping 35's with only 315hp but whatever, glad you like it!
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Don't see how anyone is chirping 35's with only 315hp but whatever, glad you like it!
That hp is at the rear wheels, not the flywheel. Plenty of power to do a burn out on 35's and chirp the other gears. There's plenty of vids on YouTube of guys smoking the tires running these kits on the old motor. Not hard to believe at all. Could prob chirp 35's stock if you know what you are doing.....just gotta dump the clutch.
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  • There is no Discount in place at the moment...
  • We consider our kits extremely user friendly, keeping in mind shade-tree mechanics. This is a very straight forward kit to install, 8 out of 10 skill level. You are installing larger injectors which requires the end user to remove the intake manifold.
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This is good stuff to know. Do you have many folks that tow with 3.8/RIPP JKU's?
Yes, many of our clients call us up for towing and we really help a lot... The most valuable part is the way the boost comes on linear and without surprise. It makes the power extremely manageable by the end user, most clients will say "its amazing that all I needed was 1-2psi to keep me going down the road"... our reply is "your welcome and enjoy". The truth is you don't need loads of boost all the time, you just need some boost some times him and that's what we deliver... a clear and controlled amount of boost which is very manageable by the end-user.

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I know this maybe a stupid question but will any of the maps support regular octane fuel. Just curious
we would never suggest using 87 octane fuel, 87 octane fuel is just too weak to boost and you'd likely get misfire codes. All of our tuning is done with 89 octane fuel in New York City which is the national average. at minimum you want to use 89 octane, but when you plan to toe or use it very hard you should use 91 or better. Our tunes are known to get better gas mileage, typically we range anywhere between one and four more miles per gallon. We don't like to promise gains we would rather our clients post about them.

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They are coming, Ill post the first one tomorrow. You will have a sound bite and start up. ETC.
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Thanks I'm excited for to hear about better mpgs too! See you at Easter jeep!
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Thoughts

I got the truck back after a final tune on tuesday. So its not like ive had it every day since this thread started. Today was the first chance I got to test it out after Ripp took my info from the weekend and tuned it further.

First the all out power is obvious. Far more obvious than any mod Ive done before. You want power? its always waiting. Begging me to press the pedal. Couple of open car lengths to the next car on the highway? not anymore. Add this power to the RK xfactor suspension and their RRD racing shocks and my Jeep has become a sports car.

Thats what you all expected right?

Here's what you might not have expected. The overall feel of the truck has changed. The air waiting at the engines mouth everytime it breaths makes the jeep in the zone I live in, 1000 to 3000 RPM, feel LIGHTER.

The throttle response is so quick, I have to be more gentle with the gas pedal. If I touch it too quickly the truck will leap forward. Im used to the pentastar with weight all over my truck. Now it feels like my truck has gone on a strict diet.

Everything it does is effortless, where as before i could feel the weight of my truck.

Drag Racing-

Would my truck smoke a hemi? I'll have to find one to find out. I would be shocked if it didnt. I think i have more power at the wheels than a 5.7 hemi. (if anyone knows for sure let me know if they make more than 315 at the wheels)

The Hemi might jump out to a very early lead while I get through the powerband, but once in the sweet spot, Im pretty sure the "SuperStar" (supercharged pentastar) would slingshot past.

Is it way better than the stock pentastar? yes. In every possible way. It feels like a new engine. ESPECIALLY if your jeep is weighed down. I assume a stock JK with a supercharger would be an absolute rocket.

Auto trans- RIPP gives you Auto guys new shift points. So the truck is shifting when an how they want it to for optimum feel, drivability, and power.

With the manual, You will find yourself shifting a little later at first because you want to listen to the thing suck air. (it sounds soo cool). But once your past that, you find, that even in the lower RPM zone, its more comfortable to drive than before, and the lightness of it, I think would make long trips less exhausting.

I think I'll drive it to utah to find out.
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The Hemi would probably jump out to a very early lead while I get through the powerband, but once in the sweet spot, Im pretty sure the "SuperStar" (supercharged pentastar) would slingshot past.

Ok, ok, I will make an effort to call Supercharged Pentastars as Superstars. LOL! Wrangle up (pun intended) someone with a supercharged 3.8 and someone with a Hemi in your town and go see!
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Ok, ok, I will make an effort to call Supercharged Pentastars as Superstars. LOL! Wrangle up (pun intended) someone with a supercharged 3.8 and someone with a Hemi in your town and go see!
Is there anyone in Northern NJ who is available to drag race?

PM me.

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Yes, many of our clients call us up for towing and we really help a lot... The most valuable part is the way the boost comes on linear and without surprise. It makes the power extremely manageable by the end user, most clients will say "its amazing that all I needed was 1-2psi to keep me going down the road"... our reply is "your welcome and enjoy". The truth is you don't need loads of boost all the time, you just need some boost some times him and that's what we deliver... a clear and controlled amount of boost which is very manageable by the end-user.
Thank you for answering my questions. In a year or two the newness is sure to wear off of my '13, I've always been a gearhead, who knows ... things could happen
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wow, that's fantastic, it's dead quiet. every SC I've heard whistles when the throttle's pressed. can't hear a thing with this one .









Joking of course. Landscape's rapidly changing as is the season. AEV's got their magnuson for the 2011 different system but lower power at lower RPM's which is what interests me. Lots of noise about 2012 in this regard. Still researching HEMI's, there as well the landscape is rapidly changing. No replacement for displacement IMO.

Would love RIPP to do a 0-60 on a stock any wrangler so we got some numbers to think about. 450 hp @ 6500 is as usable as 285 hp @ 6500 rpm.

From reading nearly everywhere, there a lot of people with money interested in anything workable and sensible for their jeeps.

Big hint seems to be 2014's Allpar's notation before the release of the 2012, that there might be a 1 and 2 x's turbo on the 3.6 pent. (other vehicles), plus now someone the other day spoke to jeep or an engineer who told him that the oil filter location will be different next year on the jeep onwards, which hints of room for a turbo?
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ugh... That doesn't sound good??
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Old 03-21-2013, 08:58 PM   #90
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Hey, Ross - Just wanted to make clear the compressor is fresh and has break in oil in it... the gearing is making face and will get quieter over the next 500-1000 miles - Change the oil before you go.

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