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Old 07-11-2012, 05:26 PM   #1
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Pic request, silver wrangler with factory black 18" wheel

I own a 10' JK silver...thinking about power coating my factory 18" wheels to flat black.. Just wanted to see if anyone out there has a picture so I can see how it looks before I decide to do it, thanks

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Old 07-11-2012, 05:41 PM   #2
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Sell the 18s.

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A little dark but here is our 12 Altitude. Not flat, but you get the idea...sort of.
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Old 07-11-2012, 11:01 PM   #4
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Seriously sell the 18s.
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I agree with ESP. But before you do, if you have the cash available, see if you can score a set of Rubicon take-offs. We found that the silver on those almost perfectly matched our 2011 Bright Silver JK. Overall, it was a great upgrade for looks, fending off a new tire purchase for a while longer, and drivability.

We thought about getting the black wheels just like the CoD and the Arctic but found the regular Rubicon wheels to be a "better" look for him.


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Why does everyone prefer the 17" rubicon wheels over the 18s? I have a 10' silver sahara and have been looking at colored wheels to. Personally I dont like the black wheels on silver. But the Graphite gray ones look badass. I'm gonna try painting mine, rustoleum makes some graphite wheel paint.
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Any wheel smaller is going to equal less weight and less money to buy. Drop down to a 16 or even 15 inch wheel and the cost and weight savings skyrocket.
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Any wheel smaller is going to equal less weight and less money to buy. Drop down to a 16 or even 15 inch wheel and the cost and weight savings skyrocket.
Right but he already has 18's and wasn't planning on buying anything new. So cost isn't really an issue. Is the weight that big of difference? You still have to add more rubber to equal the same size tire so that adds weight but obviously not as much as metal. Also aren't our factory wheels aluminum alloy while alot of off road wheels i see are steel. I'd think that steel is heavier than the alloys?
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Right but he already has 18's and wasn't planning on buying anything new. So cost isn't really an issue. Is the weight that big of difference? You still have to add more rubber to equal the same size tire so that adds weight but obviously not as much as metal. Also aren't our factory wheels aluminum alloy while alot of off road wheels i see are steel. I'd think that steel is heavier than the alloys?
Buying new tires and new wheels (15x8) will cost less than just buying tires for 18" wheels. Weight IS A HUGE ISSUE and you'll save a ton when moving to a smaller wheel with the same size tire. Alloys are always lighter and stronger than steel. Stock 17" alloy wheels weight considerably more than 15" alloys.

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Buying new tires and new wheels (15x8) will cost less than just buying tires for 18" wheels. Weight IS A HUGE ISSUE and you'll save a ton when moving to a smaller wheel with the same size tire. Alloys are always lighter and stronger than steel. Stock 17" alloy wheels weight considerably more than 15" alloys.

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I wasn't arguing with you, but trying to get info. I never said weight wasn't an issue. I said is the weight between 18" and 17" wheels with same diameter tires that different. I'd be interested to know actual wheel weights and tire weights. I have 18" sahara rims with nitto grapplers that came with my jeep when I bought it. But when it comes time to replace the tires if there is that big a difference maybe i'll downsize rims.
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Buying new tires and new wheels (15x8) will cost less than just buying tires for 18" wheels.
Ok now i am arguing with you. I don't think thats correct at all. Just looking at morris 4x4 and prices for the 17" wheels are actually higher than they are for 18" wheels. So you'd save money by buying 18" tires. So the price difference isn't even close to being able to afford rims on top of the tires. I'm sure it can depend on the tire youre buying. And im sure in some cases its more expensive for the bigger rim sizes. But being so much more expensive you can actually buy new rims as well if you get smaller tires seems implausible.

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I wasn't arguing with you, but trying to get info. I never said weight wasn't an issue. I said is the weight between 18" and 17" wheels with same diameter tires that different. I'd be interested to know actual wheel weights and tire weights. I have 18" sahara rims with nitto grapplers that came with my jeep when I bought it. But when it comes time to replace the tires if there is that big a difference maybe i'll downsize rims.
Never thought you were wanting to argue, just answering what was asked. The difference between the weight of tires and wheels in both 18 and 17 are always gonna be less on the smaller wheel. It never changes at the end of the day. A smaller lighter in mass wheel and preferably an alloy paired with a tire of equal size but offered in a lighter load range (i.e. D instead of E or lighter etc) is always gonna be less weight. Is the cost savings so much so between tires for each? Depends on the tire and wheel chosen but it will always cost less and weigh less on the smaller wheel.

Now....drop down to a 16" wheel and you'll start seeing that weight/cost gap grow much larger. At 15" it isn't even comparable. The gap is so large that this is the real winner among choices.

You're running tires from one of the heaviest tire makers known other than Toyo open country. Your also running them on an 18" alloy wheel which is very heavy regardless that its made of alloy. Nittos are bricks and far to heavy for jeeps. They are home on a 1/2-1 ton full size pick up truck with infinitely more weight, not a jeep. I've run Nitto trail grapplers before and could not wait to get rid of them after I did my research and learned how they compare to every other tire out there. For the record I've owned tires on 17", 16" and now 15" wheels from BFG, Goodyear, Nitto, and Mickey Thompson. I've had nine sets of tires over the last 2 years as I run them hard and wheel them then get rid of them and move onto to something else. This experience is where my opinions are coming from.

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You also lose the ride quality of an 18" if a person would go to a utility trailer sized 15". Taller tire=Better Ride
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You also lose the ride quality of an 18" if a person would go to a utility trailer sized 15". Taller tire=Better Ride
Subjective. A wider tire with a greater contact patch and a much greater side wall will soften your ride considerably and provide a better feel on the trail when needed. Not to mention airing down a 33 or 35 or larger tire on a 15" wheel is safer and will provide substantially better grip and opportunity than an 18.
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Hope this helps.
It does help. I totally agree with you. I semi hate the grapplers. Enough so that I made a valiant attempt to get rid of them for stock tires on sahara 18's. But surprisingly to me I wasn't able to find anyone to buy the nittos on my old 18s. I decided to put them back on and sold the stockers off.

When these finally need to be replaced I think I will go for smaller rims after this discussion.
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Ok now i am arguing with you. I don't think thats correct at all. Just looking at morris 4x4 and prices for the 17" wheels are actually higher than they are for 18" wheels. So you'd save money by buying 18" tires. So the price difference isn't even close to being able to afford rims on top of the tires. I'm sure it can depend on the tire youre buying. And im sure in some cases its more expensive for the bigger rim sizes. But being so much more expensive you can actually buy new rims as well if you get smaller tires seems implausible.

17s are more popular than 18s is why you've found more expensive tires for them. And, at less than 20$ difference it's moot. Look at prices tires and wheels for 16 and 15 inch wheels. Read carefully the weight and spec information.

Have you seen these?

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/33x...deo-96568.html

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/33x...os-165614.html
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Awesome! That might be the combo. So am i right to believe that just by reducing weight your MPG will go up? Even though the tire is wider and has more rolling resistance?
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Awesome! That might be the combo. So am i right to believe that just by reducing weight your MPG will go up? Even though the tire is wider and has more rolling resistance?
You got it. When I had this combo i.e. 33x12.5R15 Goodyear Duratracs and MB72 15x8 alloy wheels, I was averaging low 18s in the city and mid 19s on the highway even with my 2.5 lift.

All of the info about my jeep is on those threads but in short this was done with 3.21 gears, and manual tranny, and those tires and wheels. The "combo" weighs less than even the stock rubi set up of 255/75/17. Even though it's a much larger/wider and taller tire, it will give you better performance in all areas with your jeep. That is why it is so popular. I don't run them anymore and I've gone with a bigger and heavier tire now.

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I appreciate your advice man, I read those threads and you have the experience to know what youre talking about though! It did seem that while light that 15" wheel and 33tire wasn't a great combo for you. Do you think a 16" wheel with 32 duratracs might be easier to align?

PS Damn you for making me want new tires and wheels now!
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No. I had trouble with the alignment only truly on the Goodyear duratracs. Even with that I believe I may only be in the minority of users to experience this. The KM2s balanced out just fine after a good tech took care the balancing. Also the current Mickey Thompson MTZs that I have are balanced just fine and very comfortable. This is a true statement to the fact that you must find a good place that knows what they are doing to balance a large tire.

I would not hesitate getting a 33" tire on either a 15 or 16 inch wheel. It's all up to you. The need for a proper balancing will be the same for either. I buy from Discount Tires online "discount tire direct" because they offer free shipping and a discount to wrangler forums members when ordering a full set of 5x tires. They also balance and rotate the tires for free for life. This is invaluable. There is also no tax.

As far as alignment is concerned, you do not need to align anything when putting on a 33" tire for either wheel. You will need to re-calibrate your speedo if you choose the tire for the 16" wheel as it will more than likely break the 33" threshold in size. 33x12.5R15 tires are between 32.5-32.8 with only one or two known tires actually getting up to 33". I run 32.8 tires and my jeep is still set to read at the stock height of 32". The speedo is accurate and so is everything else a.k.a mileage and eco. This height still falls into the stock threshold. If you are moving from a 29.1" tire (which is the other stock size on Sport S packages of 225/75/16 then your speedo and everything else is going to be off by about 7-8 mph going to a 33" tire.

You'd be fine going to a 33" tire but you may still want to buy a tuner like a pro cal tuner to adjust and fine tune your settings with the new tires. I have not and won't. It wasn't needed.
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A little dark but here is our 12 Altitude. Not flat, but you get the idea...sort of.
was never a fan of silver. but i dunno what i love about this one! maybe the lighting. or the shade of silver. *drools*

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