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Old 11-20-2010, 08:12 PM   #1
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Pilot Fog Light Install

I wanted to upgrade the 24W decorative stock fog lights in our 2011, but didn't want to spend a whole lot. Plus I wanted to go yellow for the anti-glare factor.

I decided to go with these clear Pilot PL-360C lamps because I had read their driving lamp cousins fit well on another forum.






To make them yellow, I used a 4" x 8" sheet of yellow Lamin-X.




After I took off the lower plastic splash guard and upper piece in between the grill and bumper, I realized I would need to take the entire bumper off to drill some holes in the top of the bumper. I have no idea how people were able to "easily" mount the Pilot driving lamps? I squirted a little satin black paint on the fresh holes and moved on to the electrical.




I had also read on that other forum that the CANBus module would drive the 55W okay, so I soldered and shrink tubed the Pilot wires on to the stock harness. Just a guess, but I wonder if Jeep left in the same lamp driver from 2007-09 and didn't de-rate it for 2010-11?




Next I plugged in the lamps to make sure they would work with out faulting the stock control module. Everything a-ok.




I also measured the voltage at the lamp. Not too bad at 13.7V




OK. The paint is now dry on the bumper so I mounted the brackets with 10-24 low profile machine screws so the head fits in between the metal bumper and the plastic bumper cover.






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Finally, I mounted the bumper back up and screwed the lamps on to the brackets taking a guess at the aim. Now I just have to wait until dark...




Lights on in the day time.




Fog lamps only on at night:




Fog lamps and head lamps (Hella H4 with Optilux XB bulbs):




Foreground light seems good - much better than stock. I'll have to wait for a foggy morning to aim them better, but my first guess at the aim seems pretty good.

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Tdog had problems trying to drive overwattage bulbs in his fog holes; I think his was an '07. Very glad (surprised) that yours fire without issue. I was also surprised seeing 13.7v at the terminus; I only got 12.6 at my stock headlight plug.
Nice job, sir. Do follow up with the aiming on them; fogs can be tricky to aim and just as blinding as a headlight.
Love the color, btw. How much was the tint?
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Old 11-21-2010, 08:49 AM   #4
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Nice job, sir. Do follow up with the aiming on them; fogs can be tricky to aim and just as blinding as a headlight.
Love the color, btw. How much was the tint?
Thanks HD.

Any tips on proper aiming?

The color is the standard yellow from LaminX. Only $8 for a 4x8 sheet (plus shipping)

One 4" x 8" Universal Fog Light Cover

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Thanks HD.

Any tips on proper aiming?

The color is the standard yellow from LaminX. Only $8 for a 4x8 sheet (plus shipping)

One 4" x 8" Universal Fog Light Cover

That's a great deal on the tint; it will protect the lens too.

Here's the procedure for aiming lights; after you do the headlights, the foglight instructions are all the way at the bottom.

Here's Stern's diatribe on foglights in general. He's mostly talking about cars, not Jeeps.
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If you look at your factory fogs, there should be a metal ring with four screws/bolts on the back of it. That's what holds the lamp to the bumper.

About the wattage, drive around at night with the fogs on and see if they get turned off. If they do, the canbus system kicked in, and you will have to add a relay to "trick" the stupid canbus system.
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If you look at your factory fogs, there should be a metal ring with four screws/bolts on the back of it. That's what holds the lamp to the bumper.
Hmmm. Maybe 2011 is different? Here's what the factory decoration looks like...





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About the wattage, drive around at night with the fogs on and see if they get turned off. If they do, the canbus system kicked in, and you will have to add a relay to "trick" the stupid canbus system.
Seems to be good. I've had them on for at least an hour at night and they're staying on.
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That black thing with the four tabs is the mount. You should be able to remove the fog light from it.
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That black thing with the four tabs is the mount. You should be able to remove the fog light from it.
Too late for me, but for others, what would you do next?

I suppose I could see how the pivot in the side of the stock bracket might coincidentally match up with the mounting point on the Pilot lamp, but with the bracket being plastic, I would think it would be problematic keeping the screws tight.

Did the older brackets used to be metal, because I've seen more than one reference to a "metal ring"
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I suppose I could see how the pivot in the side of the stock bracket might coincidentally match up with the mounting point on the Pilot lamp...
FWIW, I went back though the 10 pages of write-up commentary on the other forum, and it sounds like this is exactly what folks have done -- i.e. pry the lamp out of the old bracket and use the "pivot" holes to mount the pilot lamps.

So it sounds like my install may be overkill, but hopefully the aim might be more robust? At least I have real light
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Thats exactly how i did mine
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10 pages of write-up commentary on the other forum
Hmm which forum is that or did I miss that link
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Hmm which forum is that or did I miss that link
I'm not sure if others feel this way, but I avoid mentions and links since I found out the owner censors the forum in favor of his advertisers...
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Got it! I'll go slumming on that other side of the tracks now. Thanks
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thanks for the tips on this confusing subject, along with the great photos.

For those of us with meager electrical skills, I'm hesitant to leap into such a project. On the other hand, my 08 stock fogs are simply inadequate here in the dreary dark & wet Orygun Outback.
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thanks for the tips on this confusing subject, along with the great photos.

For those of us with meager electrical skills, I'm hesitant to leap into such a project. On the other hand, my 08 stock fogs are simply inadequate here in the dreary dark & wet Orygun Outback.
Do the Cibie kit on your headlights.
I'll check today to see if 9155s will work in our older foglights too.
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re: "Do the Cibie kit on your headlights."

too late, the Philips xtremes are enroute...
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Old 01-16-2011, 01:51 PM   #18
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re: "Do the Cibie kit on your headlights."
too late, the Philips xtremes are enroute...
He might be talkin bout using the Cibie "housings" with your new Phillips Xtreme "bulbs".
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Not meaning to Jack the thread or anything but I've been wanting to tent my fig lights to along with the driving lights also. 1) I think it help my eyes a little and 2) I think it would look really good. What yall's opinion on both? And another thing using that tent on the driving lights wouldn't work cuz it would have creases in it. Is there a way to lighly paint them?

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Not meaning to Jack the thread or anything but I've been wanting to tent my fig lights to along with the driving lights also. 1) I think it help my eyes a little and 2) I think it would look really good. What yall's opinion on both? And another thing using that tent on the driving lights wouldn't work cuz it would have creases in it. Is there a way to lighly paint them?

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I think you mean "tint" your fogs.

I did mine with Duplicolor Metalcast Yellow spray paint that I got from Summit Racing.

Thread where I heard about it.
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http://www.dashzracing.com/07-09-Jee...-p8535031.html

I found this for the head lights but it doesn't say whether or not there DOT approved or not. I checked the laws for the state of Texas as long as they DOT approved I can run them. I guess ill call when the open and ask the company.

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To make them yellow, I used a 4" x 8" sheet of yellow Lamin-X.


Old thread, but to follow up, I would now not recommend the Lamin-X tint (on as least these particular lamps).

The hot spots in the fog pattern were scorching the film. It first I thought it was a bug that burned... but both lamps started to have the same pattern.

I peeled and razor bladed off the film and am going to try these Hella XY bulbs.

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Old 06-27-2013, 05:44 PM   #23
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Thank you Hilldweller

This upgrade is simple and fast. Thank you for the thread, J. Westy, and special thanks to Hilldweller - I have read all of your lighting posts on this forum and others, and used your recommendations to order my lighting upgrades.
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has anyone had any problems with them going out? I installed these a couple of weeks ago and the drivers side went out already. Just wondering if this has happened to anyone else?

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Check your ground ..or use a continuity tester on the bulbs
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Did this mod on a 2014 JKU today splicing into the stock wires, but it appears the canbus (which I am not even really sure what it is) will not allow them to operate properly. Sometimes one will come on, sometimes the other or sometimes both. Once you switch to high beam and back to low they are sporadic if they will come back on or not. They also flash several times to even come on at all when they do.

The connections are all tight, so it not that.

Any changes to the 2014 wiring system that anyone is aware of that might affect these working properly?

Anyone have a suggestion on how to get them to work properly??
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I do not know if the CANBUS changed 2014 - please give us an update if it did.
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Update: Never did get these to work on my 2014. Even ended up trying the wiring harness running that came with the lights straight power off the battery with the relay hooked to the white wire positive from the oem lights to trigger relay. This made the lights work, but when the it was started the relay would buzz very loudly.


Ended up going with JW Speaker 6145 LED's. They cost a lot more but work perfectly and really put out some light.

Long story short, not sure if the 2014 CANBUS was updated or not, but these particular lights would not work at all with my 2014.

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