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Old 04-25-2013, 06:34 PM   #121
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What will be the tallest I can put on a standard Sport with 16inch rims,and no lift and no spacers?
4wheel parts, who doing my lift, says you can run up to 33's, but they will still rub.

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Anyone running 235/85/16s on 16x8s? Is this a really bad idea for a DD that only occasionally goes off road and probably will hardly ever air down?

If it is I'll switch to 265/75/16, but I really thoguht the 235 was beautiful but I think the MB 72 is even more beautiful!

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Anyone running 235/85/16s on 16x8s? Is this a really bad idea for a DD that only occasionally goes off road and probably will hardly ever air down?

If it is I'll switch to 265/75/16, but I really thoguht the 235 was beautiful but I think the MB 72 is even more beautiful!
The DTD guys said it's OK and they do it all the time. I'm gonna give it a shot.
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4wheel parts, who doing my lift, says you can run up to 33's, but they will still rub.
Update: installed 33x1050 before lift from Discount Tire, then drove over to 4 wheel parts for lift. They fit just fine without rubbing. Still had plenty of clearance. Almost didn't need the lift, then said eh why not! I'm happy with the new upgrades. Oh, and the ProComp 2.5 is awesome. Ride is really close to stock suspension.
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Got my new wheels/tires from DTD up the road from Tampa in Lakeland: MB 72s with 235/85/16 Duratracs. Everything looks great. Not super happy with how spare looks on stock carrier; wish it sat the tire closer to vehicle; increased backspacing is big issue here. Added daystar tailgate bumpstops to address this issue, but may need to buy this product allowing adjustment of spare distance, unless anyone has alternative suggestions.

Initial impressions of wheels/tires: not as rough as feared, even though E rated and running at 35 PSI; mileage so far little less than stock SRAs, but they're not broken in yet. I expect will get 20+ again. Tire/Wheel combo looks quite good, handles well on road, nothing funny, unpleasant, or unexpected in handling, grips road well, and size seems well proportioned to wheel wells and should remain so with 1.75" space lift.

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Old 09-30-2013, 08:14 AM   #127
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Took off the lame summertime SRAs and put the winter pizza cutters on a bit early This year, I'm re-geared to 4.10 (from 3.21) with an Eaton E-locker out back.

Can't wait for the snow and jealous neighbours spinning their tires all night on the street while I deal with shovelling the driveway "maaybe after supper... no rush"
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Alright, I've poured over the inter-webs looking for the tallest "pizza-cutter" on the market and I haven't found anything over the 33" diam - 255 75 17's. Does anyone know of a AT or AT/MT mix that's around 34" but stays around 10.5" width? Something like a 255 85 17? I like'em skinny and tall (going to add a metalcloak 2.5 lift in Dec/Jan).
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bfg makes a 255/80-17 that is tall (33.3") and skinny and looks good. 285/75-17's (34")look pretty tall and skinny too but not skinny like the 255/80-17's
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bfg makes a 255/80-17 that is tall (33.3") and skinny and looks good. 285/75-17's (34")look pretty tall and skinny too but not skinny like the 255/80-17's
Thanks, the BFG MT is the tallest I've found as well. Unfortunately I'd prefer to move away from the MT tires into an AT or cross version.
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I went with 245/75R16

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<snip>....anyway back to the tires. I'm very happy with them, they are great on the road as they are off. I have yet to use them in snow but in the rain they are rock solid.....very happy indeed!

I firmly believe there is no place my stock jeep with neatly tucked under the wheel well pizza cutters tires can't go that the same jeep with big fat sticking out the side slinging crap everywhere tires can.
Great thread, thanks JB! Motorcyclists and non-motor cyclists everwhere greatly appreciate seeing tires "neatly tucked under" instead of dodging detritus from obese tires!
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I went from 35" 12.5 " 17" back to stock Rubicon BFG I like the performance when towing my boat when these ware I'm going 255/80/17
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I went from 35" 12.5 " 17" back to stock Rubicon BFG I like the performance when towing my boat when these ware I'm going 255/80/17
Good setup! If I needed additional ground clearance, the 255/80 with stock rims would be my first choice also. Preferably with low rolling resistance AT tread, given my mostly highway and dirt road driving.
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I will most probably need a new set of tires by end of next summer. I presently have 245/75R16, they are Firestone Destination MT.

I like their handling on road, and up to now these near 31' have served me well off road. In other words I can say that I'm pleased with them.

I'm wandering if I should still get the same size for the next ones or go with 235/85R16.

What is your take on this ? My JK has no lift, it is my daily driver, I tow a camping trailer on weekends and do off road to go to my fishing spots ( I would say grade 3 to 5), snow handling is not an issue since I have a dedicated set of winter tires.

So should I stay with 245/75R16 or go with 235/85R16. From what I saw it looks like the 235/85R16 are a little bit cheaper, off road they should have a little advantage being a bit taller, but what about on road behavior ?
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Very nice, they are making a 255/80R17 Maxx STT now, and I like that tread pattern. That's what I will be running I think when the stockers get replaced.
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<snip> So should I stay with 245/75R16 or go with 235/85R16. From what I saw it looks like the 235/85R16 are a little bit cheaper, off road they should have a little advantage being a bit taller, but what about on road behavior ?
Hard to do better than what you've proven works for you, in real world use. Only reason I see for going with the 235/85 would be if you really need the extra ride height (<1 cm?) offroad. And you might get slightly better gas mileage with narrower tread.

I almost went with 245s but wanted narrower taller 235 for snow/ ice traction. Since you have dedicated winter tires it's not an issue. And like you say, road handling will be better with the 245's lower profile and slightly lower ride height.

Good to see someone concerned with road handling in choosing tires! Jeeps do so well offroad with almost any decent tires; where most of us need consideration is on-road handling.
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Great thread, thanks JB! Motorcyclists and non-motor cyclists everwhere greatly appreciate seeing tires "neatly tucked under" instead of dodging detritus from obese tires!
Just an observation: nearly every windshield I've had cracked or broken by flying debris came from a heavy over the road truck as in gravel truck or trailer hauling a piece of equipment covered with mud and gravel (like a dozer or back hoe). In other words narrow tires from trucks that even had mud flaps in place. Duel wheels are extremely capable of throwing debris.

Never been hit by anything from "obese" tires. Guess I've just been really lucky for the past 50 years of commercial driving. But then again I don't tail gate or weave in and out of traffic on a crotch rocket.

So do those with the neatly tucked under conservatively skinny tires also run mud flaps, especially on those with lift kits. Just imagine all that tread showing out the back and what a danger to society that would be.
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Thanks, the BFG MT is the tallest I've found as well. Unfortunately I'd prefer to move away from the MT tires into an AT or cross version.
I'm running Cooper Discoverer ST-Maxx (AT/MT hybrid) in a 255/80-17.





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That looks great! This is the look I'm going for when my tires need replacing!
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My tires arrived today and I couldn't be happier with them. I like the 16in steel wheels because they are plain, utilitarian and the back spacing keeps the tires under the wheel wells but.....I wanted to mount 32in tires on them.

I'm a big fan of skinny tires, my YJ was set up this way and I wanted that "Old School" look for this jeep as well.

I ended up getting Cooper Discoverer AT3's in 235/85/R16 (31.7in to be exact) and the look is just what I was after.

Here are a few pics of my 2012 Wrangler Sport BFG.

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i just ordered this exact tires and have the same setup. And i just bought then because my mechanic recommended them... And the look WAY better then i expected!!!
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Looking at a set of Yokohama Geolanders m/T. 265/70/18; their specs show 10.8" wide and 32.8" tall.
Anyone have any experience with these tires?
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That looks great! This is the look I'm going for when my tires need replacing!
Thanks, just finished a 2.5" OME lift to add to the 1.25" BL. Ill post a new pic tomorrow.
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Just an observation: nearly every windshield I've had cracked or broken by flying debris came from a heavy over the road truck as in gravel truck or trailer hauling a piece of equipment covered with mud and gravel (like a dozer or back hoe). In other words narrow tires from trucks that even had mud flaps in place. Duel wheels are extremely capable of throwing debris.

Never been hit by anything from "obese" tires. Guess I've just been really lucky for the past 50 years of commercial driving. But then again I don't tail gate or weave in and out of traffic on a crotch rocket.

So do those with the neatly tucked under conservatively skinny tires also run mud flaps, especially on those with lift kits. Just imagine all that tread showing out the back and what a danger to society that would be.


That may be your observation and yes big truck (semi tractors) do throw a lot of debris off of their tires. That's why all of them are required to run mud flaps.

As for Jeeps, to each their own but you cannot tell me that tires that stick out past the fenders throw less debris into the air than ones tucked under the wheel wells where they belong...... that's why they put fenders on vehicles in the first place.

That wasn't my main motivation for putting on the pizza cutters anyway. I (and this is just my opinion) do not like the look of tires sticking out past the fenders....to me it looks sloppy like they don't belong there. Nope, old school pizza cutters like the original WWII Willys is the way to go in my book.....it worked fine then and I see no reason to change it.

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I put a set of Mopar mud guards on my Jeep and love em! I have a post on this very subject as well. At the time of that post I had yet to majorly damage one wheeling. Since then I have indeed finally creased one on a pretty large log that I managed to climb over. I was able to bend it back into shape with a little heat and it looks pretty good now. It never came lose in fact it popped three of the fender retainers off but held tight to the fender. I am sold on them and the side of my jeep thanks me for them!
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<snip> Nope, old school pizza cutters like the original WWII Willys is the way to go in my book.....it worked fine then and I see no reason to change it.
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I put a set of Mopar mud guards on my Jeep and love em! I have a post on this very subject as well. <snip> I am sold on them and the side of my jeep thanks me for them!
Thanks for this info; I will look up your post. I have the Mopar side steps installed, which work like old fashioned running boards to keep stuff from getting thrown up by the front tires. But mud flaps on the rear seem like a good idea.
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Thanks for this info; I will look up your post. I have the Mopar side steps installed, which work like old fashioned running boards to keep stuff from getting thrown up by the front tires. But mud flaps on the rear seem like a good idea.
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Like i said, sorry not a JK, but love my pizza cutters. This is after my 2.5" OME lift and 1.25" BL
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That may be your observation and yes big truck (semi tractors) do throw a lot of debris off of their tires. That's why all of them are required to run mud flaps.

As for Jeeps, to each their own but you cannot tell me that tires that stick out past the fenders throw less debris into the air than ones tucked under the wheel wells where they belong...... that's why they put fenders on vehicles in the first place.

That wasn't my main motivation for putting on the pizza cutters anyway. I (and this is just my opinion) do not like the look of tires sticking out past the fenders....to me it looks sloppy like they don't belong there. Nope, old school pizza cutters like the original WWII Willys is the way to go in my book.....it worked fine then and I see no reason to change it.

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I put a set of Mopar mud guards on my Jeep and love em! I have a post on this very subject as well. At the time of that post I had yet to majorly damage one wheeling. Since then I have indeed finally creased one on a pretty large log that I managed to climb over. I was able to bend it back into shape with a little heat and it looks pretty good now. It never came lose in fact it popped three of the fender retainers off but held tight to the fender. I am sold on them and the side of my jeep thanks me for them!
In spite of switching to wider tires for nearly fifteen years now, I must concur that Pizza Cutters provide better performance in many if not most situations. IMO, a lot of JKs roll on big rubber because of the look rather than for performance. Big (wide) tires are better on rocks, sand (floatation) and braking (contact patch) but in most other situations, tall narrow tires perform better. They might even help in turning but most big tires require wheels or spacers that mess up the built-in scrub radius.

What is news to me is that "Pizza cutters are a threat to society" as someone claims.:jaw drop: Maybe a public service announcement or a bulletin should be issued.
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<snip> most big tires require wheels or spacers that mess up the built-in scrub radius.
Good point; thanks!

Different backspacing, wheel spacers etc. all change front end dynamics. Wider track changes slip angle, which hurts steering response. Big tires are heavy, which translates to higher unsprung weight, a real handling killer, on or off road. Not to mention the hit on fuel economy.

The Jeep engineering team did an incredible job designing a highly capable offroad vehicle that can still be safely driven on an 80 mph interstate highway. Or threaded through urban street traffic. While getting 20+ mpg; my JKU with low rolling resistance AT tires is doing 25 mpg hwy.

It's one thing if someone is modding the heck out of his Jeep for offroad racing or recreational mudding etc., but when it still needs to safely run on regular roads, some of this stuff -- especially big tires and lifts -- is pretty questionable.

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