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Old 09-12-2013, 07:39 PM   #1
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Question Please read, please help on wheels & lift?

Hi there all,

So 15+ years after of owning my last Jeep I will finally be putting together a new Rubi Unlimited (‘13/’14) soon and would desperately need some support/advice here. First, regarding the best choice of lift & wheel combo for my usage.
I will be taking this Rubi to Europe next spring as I am planning to explore several countries (France, Spain, Germany, Switzerland, Austria, Croatia...) for a couple of years... I will be experiencing many different conditions, terrain, weather... going mild off-roading to city to autobahn, from summer heat to some winter conditions...

The result of the mods I am planning should be a great combination of touring, off-road capability and a mean look.
This requires a smart wheel set up to begin with and as I am planning on bigger rims (18” or 20”) and tires (equivalent to 34.5 - 35s), it’s even more challenging... In regards to the lift, as I will not be going on extreme off-road trips (at least not planned) I like to stick with a 2 - 2.5 lift if possible and as long as this works OK to clear the wheels from rubbing and sticking out "too" much.

Two of the tires I found so far to be good are the GY DuraTrac and the TOYO Open Country A/T II. I read a lot of reviews on both and they seem to be a great choice for what I am looking for.
The DuraTrac (limited size choices) could be fitted with 18x9, but is a very wide tire to get close to 35”. The Open Country A/T II fits well with both, 18x9 and 20x9. The weight on both is about the same. Theoretically speaking, the 20” Open Country A/T II seems to be really great in height, width and weight.

18” Good Year Wrangler DuraTrac: 325/65R18
64 lbs. Wheel size: 9.0-12, Total height: 34.8"

18” TOYO Open Country A/T II: 285/75/18 XT
65 lbs. Wheel size: 7.5-9.5, Total height: 34.8"

20” TOYO Open Country A/T II: 295/65/20 XT
64 lbs. Wheel size: 8-10, Total height: 35.1"

The rims I am looking at are MHT FUEL 1 piece (several size/style choices)... any experience?

Please, fire ahead with your input on this setup, your concerns and any additional info is highly appreciated!
Any of you runs these exact set-ups?

In regards to a lift, will a 2 - 2.5 be sufficient? Any suggestion, also regarding the brand (AEV, Teraflex ...)?

Thank you very much for your help!!!

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Old 09-12-2013, 09:57 PM   #2
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If you look through the threads on the site there is a lot of good info. Basically, you can run a 35 inch tire with a 2.5 inch lift. The Teraflex lifts are popular, but there are other good ones also. For wheels, the magic number is 4.5 in backspacing.

Check out this thread and it should help.

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/the...de-247490.html


For tires, I would stick with a 17 inch rim. I would rather have more sidewall, but that is my opinion. It is your jeep, buy what you want.

If you are going traveling to other countries, I would check to see how hard it would be to get replacement tires where you are going. I wouldn't want a brand of tire on the jeep that was impossible to get where I was.

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Old 09-13-2013, 07:57 AM   #3
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Good advice. Also look at the Goodyear Kevlar tire. Very tough sidewall.
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Old 09-13-2013, 09:19 AM   #4
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My Rubicon is set up exactly as as you are planning with the Duratracs. I even have the Fuel rims.

Fuel Octane rims 18x9
Duratracs 325/65/18
Teraflex 2.5 lift ( I now have a 3" because I was rubbing the fenders when rock crawling)

The setup works great on and offroad. We do a mixture of back country trips as well as rock crawling trips and the jeep handles the backroad and the highways great. Since I air down anywhere from 12-18 pounds on a regular basis I have never understood the less sidewall comments. The only negative with the 18's is the cost but for the extra $30 per tire it wasn't enough to change my mind.

You probably want to consider axle reinforcements for the front axle. At least gussets and maybe a sleeve or a truss. It really depends in how rough you intend to be with the jeep.

Here are a few pictures with the 2.5 lift and the above configuration. The wider Duratracs do stick out past the fenders but not too bad.
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My Rubicon is set up exactly as as you are planning with the Duratracs. I even have the Fuel rims.

Fuel Octane rims 18x9
Duratracs 325/65/18
Teraflex 2.5 lift ( I now have a 3" because I was rubbing the fenders when rock crawling)

The setup works great on and offroad. We do a mixture of back country trips as well as rock crawling trips and the jeep handles the backroad and the highways great. Since I air down anywhere from 12-18 pounds on a regular basis I have never understood the less sidewall comments. The only negative with the 18's is the cost but for the extra $30 per tire it wasn't enough to change my mind.

You probably want to consider axle reinforcements for the front axle. At least gussets and maybe a sleeve or a truss. It really depends in how rough you intend to be with the jeep.

Here are a few pictures with the 2.5 lift and the above configuration. The wider Duratracs do stick out past the fenders but not too bad.
Are there laws in Europe about the tires sticking out past the fenders like there is in some states here? If so, may have to consider new fenders?
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Old 09-13-2013, 01:59 PM   #6
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Are there laws in Europe about the tires sticking out past the fenders like there is in some states here? If so, may have to consider new fenders?
Some countries (i.e. Germany I believe) due require the wheels tread not to stick out the fenders at all, others seem more relaxed... But, this would play a role if one would actually register the car in Germany, which I am not. Anyway, in order to avoid trouble too many times I am considering Bushwackers...
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Thanks for the great info, please keep it coming

If “sidewall” is a concern, the soft/weak sidewall of the DuraTracs is somewhat of an issue...when being remote and possible unable to get access to a replacement tire. I was/am counting on the spare... but still, a good point to consider. Nice thing about the DuraTracs is the snow rating. The tread wear on the other hand seems not so great.

I also looked at MT/R Kevlar as they make a good fit (285/75/18, 35.1 height, 65lbs), but is a more off-road oriented tire and considering the amount of time spending on streets. Hmm. Have to read more about it.

So far my overall favorite tire (away from size) is the TOYO A/T II, but am sure open for more feedback.

In regards to the 20" setup. Being away for too long from the scene and now seeing more and more with such setups, I was considering. But it makes sense to at least have some decent amount of sidewall. Seems I should at least stick to a good middleway - 18" as max.

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After a while of brainstorming now and also checking what parts might easily be available in Europe in case I am in need while there, I came to the conclusion to go with safe and more basic modifications for my JKURX.
Meaning 17x9 Rugged Ridge with 315/70 Duratracs... 2.5” AEV lift and correction brackets and Xenon Flat Fenders... plus some minor mods...

Now, due to the bigger vs. stock wheel would you say an aftermarket tire carrier is a must? If so I would go with the TeraFlex... any thoughts?
Anything else I missed?

Thank you!
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If you go with a 35 I would recommend some sort of tire carrier as the extra way can break the welds in the tail gate.
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If you go with a 35 I would recommend some sort of tire carrier as the extra way can break the welds in the tail gate.
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Old 09-25-2013, 06:00 PM   #11
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Teraflex lift! Teraflex tailgate hinge! Teraflex tire carrier!
As for tires- check out Nitto before you make any decisions. In running the 35" Nitto Trail Grappler and it handles very well on and off road. But they also have the Terra Grappler which is more of an all terrain typed tire.
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As for tires- check out Nitto before you make any decisions. In running the 35" Nitto Trail Grappler and it handles very well on and off road. But they also have the Terra Grappler which is more of an all terrain typed tire.
Thank you. I checked em out. The Duratrac also come with the Severe Service Emblem (Winter tire law in some parts of Europe (i.e Germany)... and also about 10lbs lighter each. So far have not found anything negative about them.

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