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Old 09-02-2012, 06:39 PM   #1
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Poison Spyder Brawler Lite Install & Writeup

I finally installed my Poison Spyder Brawler Lite front bumper yesterday so I thought I would do a quick write up. First of all the basics:

Where: I bought it from Northridge 4x4 which I highly recommend, their customer service is great!

When: I bought it in the second week of August and it arrived in the third week. So one week built and shipped from Washington with free shipping. Not bad.

Why Poison Spyder: After looking long and hard at bumper for months, I chose the Brawler Lite for numerous reasons. 1. It is, IMO, the best looking bumper on the market 2. It is a quality, made in the USA, product. Perfect fitment and everything. & 3. It is a stubby bumper.

The Install:

Step 1: As always make sure you have all of your parts, which in the case of the Brawler Lite, is the bumper itself, 8 bolts with grommets, and 8 washers.

Step 2: Remove the stock bumper. There are multiple threads about this so I will link the one I used. http://www.jk-forum.com/jk-write-ups-39/factory-bumper-removal-2714/. The only issue I encountered in this step was that the screws used to hold on the air dam are plastic and mine simply stripped at the first sign of a screw driver, so I had to pry them out. Other than that everything went smoothly.

Now that you’re done with the hard part. It’s time to install the Brawler Lite. Tools that will be needed: a Philips head screwdriver, a 3/4” socket wrench, zip-ties, & a torque wrench (optional).

Step 3: Remove the factory fog lights and install them in the Brawler Lite. This simply requires a Philips head screwdriver. Unscrew the four screws on each light and remove the fog lights. Clean them if necessary (mine were covered in dirt) and place them into the fog light openings in the Brawler Lite. (Note: Be sure the lights remain in the same direction or else the light pattern will be different). Then line up the four holes at each corner of the fog light and place a screw in each hole. Mine lined up perfectly, and the screws went right in. (Note: The screws are self tapping so you must apply force to make them go in).

Step 4: Place the bumper on the frame rails, align the mounting studs with the holes in the frame rails, and slide it all the way back so that there is no gap between the bumper and the grille when looking down at it. This will be done easier with the help of a friend.

Step 5: Place a nut and washer on each of the 8 studs and tighten with the ¾” socket wrench. From here I proceeded to tighten each one to 40 ft/lbs with the torque wrench, but this is not required.

Step 6: Plug the fog lights back in and using zip ties attach the wiring harness to the holes in the Brawler Lite so that it is out of the way. Turn on the fog lights and ensure that they are operational.

Step 7: Enjoy!

Afterthoughts: I am very happy with my decision to go with the Brawler Lite. The welds on the bumper are seamless, its fit and finish is second to none, it looks great, and it vastly improved my approach angle. The hardest part of the install process, by far, was the removal of the stock bumper simply due to the constant stripping of the plastic screws which then had to be pried out. After that was out of the way it was a breeze. Everything on the Brawler Lite lined up perfectly, there was no extra drilling or maneuvering required, it fit like a glove. All in all I would high recommend the Poison Spyder Brawler Lite and the guys at Northridge4x4!
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Old 09-02-2012, 06:41 PM   #2
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love that bumper, but nj law says we have to have a full bumper.

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Old 09-02-2012, 06:53 PM   #4
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Great write up and pics. Love the Poison Spider gear. Thanks for sharing.
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love that bumper, but nj law says we have to have a full bumper.
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Old 09-04-2012, 04:21 PM   #6
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No stubby bumpers in NJ :sad:. I didnt know that, and I used to live there.
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Old 09-04-2012, 04:26 PM   #7
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Great write up. Bumper looks great.
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Man I love that bumper. I like their stubby version because it is almost a mid-width at the same time. Some stubby versions are very stubby indeed. This gives that little bit of extra reach on the ends.

Nice look.
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Thanks! Unfortunately I haven't gotten a chance to use it yet, but soon hopefully.
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Old 09-04-2012, 08:36 PM   #10
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What year does the stubby bumper regs apply to ? I have a 98 with one and it passed inspection no issues
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Man I love that bumper. I like their stubby version because it is almost a mid-width at the same time. Some stubby versions are very stubby indeed. This gives that little bit of extra reach on the ends.

Nice look.
I was at an off road show yesterday and talked to a guy at the PSC booth. I've been admiring this bumper for months now. I mentioned to the guy at my shop and he said to stay away from mid-width, get a stubby.

When I mentioned it to the PSC Rep, he said people get caught up in 'stubby' and 'mid'. He said it's referred to them as 'grill width'. Like you said, slightly wider than the average stubby. I think it's perfect.

I don't see any way that it could interfere with wheel travel. I'm going to get it as soon as my bank account agrees.

Anyone have the optional skid plate? I'd like it, but not sure it's really necessary. Plus, will drive up the price.
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Great write up. Did you paint the bumper yourself? Can you talk about that a bit?

Also, for those interested, a mid width is indeed coming, check out their fb page:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater
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In regard to the skid plate, I did not purchase it at the time due to the extra cost (about $200 more); however, to install the skid it does require cutting the front crossbar on 2011 and newer model JK's.

I did not paint the bumper myself. I decide to splurge and get it professionally powder coated, simply for the durability. Cost me around $80 to have it done locally.

And thanks for the link ealive, that new rear bumper with the tire carrier that open with the tailgate it very interesting. Maybe time to start saving? Ah, the endless cycle of mods
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Thanks for the update. I like skid plates, but don't know if would really be worth it.

That rear bumper does look tempting! LOD also make 2 bumpers (full and short) that have integrated carriers. Seems like most bumper/carrier combos are around $1000 though. I'd like to see some decent options that are less.
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Seems like most bumper/carrier combos are around $1000 though. I'd like to see some decent options that are less.
Agreed. The new Rancho rear bumper looks promising; however, as the previous model, it doesnt extend enough to protect the corners.
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I decided to have this installed professionally. I don't have the patience to work on my vehicles. Too cold, never enough tools, nothing goes right and have very little chance of having the right tools to fix a problem. I suck!!
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I decided to have this installed professionally. I don't have the patience to work on my vehicles. Too cold, never enough tools, nothing goes right and have very little chance of having the right tools to fix a problem. I suck!!
Haha. I hear you. I would recommend you atleast try, it was a real simple install. However, if you do decide to get it installed make sure they don't screw you on the labor costs. It took me, by myself, under 2 hrs to do the whole thing with simple hand tools. Good luck!
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love that bumper, but nj law says we have to have a full bumper.
Yeah right...just like our tires can't protrude from the fenders.

Now that there is no state inspection for anything other than emissions, everything is legal. Just don't give the cops a reason to harass you and they usually won't.
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Awesome, thanks for the write up.

Looking for the rear write up now

Also, how is the powdercoat holding up? I know they say you should powdercoat it afterwards, would you forsee a problem with powdercoating it before install?
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Awesome, thanks for the write up.

Looking for the rear write up now

Also, how is the powdercoat holding up? I know they say you should powdercoat it afterwards, would you forsee a problem with powdercoating it before install?
I had mine powdercoated before I installed it and had no problems. So far my powdercoating has held up great, a few scratches but nothing major. I'm actually surprised as to how well it has held up, very pleased with it.
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Yeah right...just like our tires can't protrude from the fenders.

Now that there is no state inspection for anything other than emissions, everything is legal. Just don't give the cops a reason to harass you and they usually won't.
^^This x 100. I'm running a stubby bumper, wheels protruding, no front plate, dark tinted windows....

Drive defensively and obey the rules of the road and they'll have no reason to pick you out.
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Haha. I hear you. I would recommend you atleast try, it was a real simple install. However, if you do decide to get it installed make sure they don't screw you on the labor costs. It took me, by myself, under 2 hrs to do the whole thing with simple hand tools. Good luck!
It sucks that something looks so simple and I know I will struggle to complete without buying more tools. I know I could save a lot of money, but I guess at least I watch the process. Oh well, it goes on tomorrow. I will definitely try to tackle the TF tire carrier install myself Friday and possibly the PS rear bumper next week. Surely I can hang my 35" tire on the tire carrier.
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It sucks that something looks so simple and I know I will struggle to complete without buying more tools. I know I could save a lot of money, but I guess at least I watch the process. Oh well, it goes on tomorrow. I will definitely try to tackle the TF tire carrier install myself Friday and possibly the PS rear bumper next week. Surely I can hang my 35" tire on the tire carrier.

I did the TF carrier myself and I am not too mechanically inclined. I have a full time job, 2 kids, and my background does not have a history of working on machines (I'm a city boy who studied all his life to get into medschool)

If I can install the TF carrier by myself, anyone can
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I'll be installing mine Friday most likely. As long as you have a standard set of sockets and a philips head screw driver you can do this mod.

It's extremely simple.
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I'll be installing mine Friday most likely. As long as you have a standard set of sockets and a philips head screw driver you can do this mod.

It's extremely simple.
My only fear is if there is any modification that needs to be done I know I won't be able to do it. I will tackle the TF tire carrier and maybe the rear bumper.
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Fog lights?? Which way is the right way to install so they point right??
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Fog lights?? Which way is the right way to install so they point right??
When I installed mine I just transferred them immediately from the stock into the brawler, that way I know the are right.
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When I installed mine I just transferred them immediately from the stock into the brawler, that way I know the are right.
I think we figured it out. I didn't transfer them immediately because we got distracted. I'm glad I had an installer do this because there is no way I had the tools to make it work. We had to drill out one of the top outside driver frame holes to allow the bolt to fit. Easily done though.


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I think we figured it out. I didn't transfer them immediately because we got distracted. I'm glad I had an installer do this because there is no way I had the tools to make it work. We had to drill out one of the top outside driver frame holes to allow the bolt to fit. Easily done though.
Yeah. That was same hole I had trouble with. I just lined up the bumper and forced it on in the end. All worked out well. Yours looks great! I do love brawler lites!
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Yeah. That was same hole I had trouble with. I just lined up the bumper and forced it on in the end. All worked out well. Yours looks great! I do love brawler lites!
Thanks!! It was easy enough, but I would have struggled by myself.

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