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Old 04-16-2013, 12:30 PM   #1
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Power Steering flush and fill? Money Grab??

I have had several vehicles over the years but none have required a power steering flush and fill. Why in heavens name would my Wrangler dealer be telling me that I'm due for such a service?? Are Wranglers extra hard on power steering fluid? Does the stuff break down faster in a Jeep than a regular vehicle??Please, whats next, a washer fluid flush??

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Old 04-16-2013, 12:45 PM   #2
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Total money grab IMO.


I wouldn't trust a dealers service guys 'advice' or recommendations even if the service was free!!! Seriously....I despise those guys (at the dealer I purchased from anyway!!)

That said, how any miles do you have on your wrangler?

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This is a job you could do yourself at home for cheap. And all you really need aside from the PS Fluid is a turkey baster!
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The Chevy dealership here does it for free on all my chevy trucks and they did my jeep for free also. It take them about 3 minutes.
It should be done after 10000 mile and never need it done again.
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Old 04-16-2013, 03:04 PM   #5
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$ grab.
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Wow, ask them if they could change the air in your tires also
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Dealers are for initial purchase & warantee work only.
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Dealers are for initial purchase & warantee work only.
Translation: Don't go to the dealership unless its your absolute last option before imminent disaster.
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What a ripoff!
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Its not a rip off. P/S system like anything else wears. It has a pump and a box. That wear goes somewhere and its in the fluid. I would do it but probably 30k or so. You just need to make sure they do it right. Sucking and filling the system isn't right. Pop a hose or two and drain it and then fill it up and you will get most of it. Or have a machine that will do the exchange. Sucking and filling the resevoir is like asking for a fresh cup of coffee and the waitress draining a 1/4 of your cold cup and topping it off.
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If you never drain your P/S fluid It will not ever cause any problems. All you ever need to do is keep the system full. If you ever do have P/S system problems changing the fluid will fix nothing.
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If you never drain your P/S fluid It will not ever cause any problems. All you ever need to do is keep the system full. If you ever do have P/S system problems changing the fluid will fix nothing.
No. Much like an engine, trans, diff when moving parts in the system wear, the fluid gets dirty. Whether it be the vanes of the pump, pump housing, gears in the box. These parts wear and the particles end up in the fluid period. Only way to get them out is to change it. Keeping it full would insinuate it has a leak or is using fluid somehow. Also much like an engine or anything else lubricated when the fluid gets low or dirty is when mega damage occurs.
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99% chance it is a money grab and a ripoff unless you have high miles, dark fluid, or steering issues. How many miles do you have on the Jeep and it is causing problems when steering or turning? Does the fluid look darkish or smell burned? You can do this yourself quite easily too, though first make sure it is needed. Ask the dealer if you need a blinker-fluid flush too.
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Old 04-16-2013, 06:37 PM   #14
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I know I can't convince everyone, but not all dealerships are bad. I take pride in my work & do my best to get it right the first time every time. I don't recommend a P/S flush until around 100k or 5yrs. Can the fluid go longer? Probably. Is it goign to hurt to flush it? No. It's like any other fluid & it breaks down over time. I know there aren't recommended service intervals for it, but it's not goign to hurt or waste money unless your doing it every year. It's called preventative maintenance. We do ask a bit more of our steering system then was originally designed with larger tires, heavy bumpers & severe angles applying more pressure on tires then normal. No you don't have to do it, but it's not gonna do anything bad if you do it every 100k miles or 5yrs. And theres a little more to it then emptying the rersevoir & refilling it. And I don't recommend taking a line loose & draining some then refill it. You get air in the lines it can be a pain to get it all out.

On a sidenote I can give ya a tip to quieten down a noisey pump. Put some differential limited slip additive in the fluid.
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99% chance it is a money grab and a ripoff unless you have high miles, dark fluid, or steering issues. How many miles do you have on the Jeep and it is causing problems when steering or turning? Does the fluid look darkish or smell burned? You can do this yourself quite easily too, though first make sure it is needed. Ask the dealer if you need a blinker-fluid flush too.
And for the people that like to say us dealerships rip you off. Here is what my dealerconnect service info says about P/S fluid & for those that say the fluid is dark or burned & may need changing. And don't put regular P/S fluid in your P/S resevoir, they don't mix & can cause issues down the road. but here you go as far as what Chrysler says about P/S fluid on a JK.

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The recommended fluid for the power steering system is Mopar® ATF +4.
Mopar® ATF+4, when new is red in color. The ATF+4 is dyed red so it can be identified from other fluids used in the vehicle such as engine oil or antifreeze. The red color is not permanent and is not an indicator of fluid condition, As the vehicle is driven, the ATF+4 will begin to look darker in color and may eventually become brown. THIS IS NORMAL. ATF+4 also has a unique odor that may change with age. Consequently, odor and color cannot be used to indicate the fluid condition or the need for a fluid change.
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No. Much like an engine, trans, diff when moving parts in the system wear, the fluid gets dirty. Whether it be the vanes of the pump, pump housing, gears in the box. These parts wear and the particles end up in the fluid period. Only way to get them out is to change it. Keeping it full would insinuate it has a leak or is using fluid somehow. Also much like an engine or anything else lubricated when the fluid gets low or dirty is when mega damage occurs.
If you took a poll on how many people ever had P/S problems, other than belt slippage you will find very few. Most people on this forum will know about wear in moving parts and fluids. It would hurt nothing to change the P/S fluid. Just sayin I know that there are better ways to show my jeep love.
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Why in heavens name would my Wrangler dealer be telling me that I'm due for such a service??
The next time they suggest something like that ask them to show you in your owner's manual maintenance schedule how often it says to change the PS fluid.

On my 2013, it does not say anywhere in the schedule to change it at all, just check the level of various fluids every month. I will probably change it at 100,000 miles but I'll do it myself.
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152,000 miles on my Liberty and never had P/S fluid changed. Over 1000,000 on all my past vehicles and NEVER had P/S fluid serviced. Dealers make most of their money on service contracts. Do yourself a favor and find a reputable mechanic that you feel comfortable with. I went around town and talked to a bunch before I settled on a guy that I instantly felt was trustworthy and knowledgeable. So far he hasn't let me down in the many years he's been wrenching on my vehicles.
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Changed mine in my Ford Diesel at 300,000. I now have 402,000. It probably needed changing. Plan to do it again at 600,000.
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Regardless to what people think on if doing a fluid exchange on your Power Steering is required or not, I still do it because just like any other fluid, it will start to breakdown over time. Breakdown leads to less protection, which eventually leads to failure. Peace of mind for a simple, simple job is worth it to me.
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I had 95,000 miles on my Liberty before the the PS pressure line leaked all over. Replacing the line meant putting in new fluid

Since the leaking PS line is bound to happen in the wrangler as it ages then just wait until then and treat that as your fluid change.
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The only time I ever drained & changed fluid in a P/S system was on a 1982 F250 (that leaked because the lines were 25 years old) when my wife topped off the reservoir with 10W30.
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My fluid looks low and dirty, 81,000 miles. I think I'm going to change it out.
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The power steering fluid reservoir has a fine mesh filter inside.
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2012 JK manual says only:

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Power Steering Fluid Check
Checking the power steering fluid level at a defined
service interval is not required. The fluid should only be
checked if a leak is suspected, abnormal noises are
apparent, and/or the system is not functioning as anticipated.
Coordinate inspection efforts through an authorized
dealer.
I like the previous poster's idea of asking the service guy who said you needed a flush to show you that in your Jeep's maintenance schedule and watch him try to jump and jive his way out of it.

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