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Old 10-13-2011, 03:20 PM   #1
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Premature ESP on Wrangler 4x4 2007

I have had problems with my 2007 wrangler jk since I bought it a year ago. When accelerating on a ramp or just turning on a wet surface, the back end swings out and the ESP light comes on. It is dangerous and scary every time it happens. The dealership has seen it twice and claims it is because I am driving too fast. Today, they finally told me that there is a software update for the system and that it will cost me $95. Has anyone else had to pay to have software updated? What are the dangers of dismantling the ESP system for everyday road driving? My Wrangler is stock with no modifications.

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Interesting.

My ESP light only comes on if I Purposely gun it around a corner-- on a slippery service (like it's supposed to) I've caught my self going a bit to fast once or twice--slowed down--easy on the break, and kept the wheel as straight as possible, no ESP light.
You might have something wrong. Only had my 07 for 3 months. Seems my ESP system is working correctly.

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i would permanently disable it, you can find out how to do it with google
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do you have oversize tires, and if so was the tire size changed in the comp. my 2007 did that especially when braking and turning on sharper offramps. tire size figures into a formula in comp
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do you have oversize tires, and if so was the tire size changed in the comp. my 2007 did that especially when braking and turning on sharper offramps. tire size figures into a formula in comp
He/she said the jeeps stock with no mods.
I guess tire size might not be considered
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Old 10-13-2011, 09:54 PM   #6
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When accelerating on a ramp or just turning on a wet surface, the back end swings out and the ESP light comes on.
Uh, that's what it's for.

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It is dangerous and scary every time it happens.
What is it dangerous and scary, your bad driving? ESP is designed to help you regain control when you cause the back end to swing out.


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The dealership has seen it twice and claims it is because I am driving too fast.
And????
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Old 10-13-2011, 10:06 PM   #7
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I have had the same issue intermittently on the freeway off ramps, always at the same place and even if I slow down, it still activates. I had resorted to turning it off, but I did notice that after getting a thorough car wash that the it has not activated even at higher speeds for the last few days, maybe it was just a dirty sensor?
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Old 10-13-2011, 11:00 PM   #8
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Uh, that's what it's for.



What is it dangerous and scary, your bad driving? ESP is designed to help you regain control when you cause the back end to swing out.




And????
You said what I was thinking. My wife told me the same thing was happening to our Jeep. After riding with her once I told her to slow down, its not a sports car.
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Means your driving around the corner to fast.... If u disable it ... That means u will still spin out... But probably spin out of control and crash... U should slow down
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I also wouldn't be telling everyone on the forums that you have premature ESP. Do they make pills for that.
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Mine does the same thing if I take the exit ramp off the interstate too fast! It is kinda scary but I just make sure and downshift. Mine only does it if I'm coasting in neutral. If I take the ramp in 3 or 4 gear it doesn't do it. I assumed it had something to do with larger tire size. Just grab the wheel with both hands and enjoy the ride!
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Ok mine does it on a dirt road full of rutts, it feels like it is bouncing to the left all the time like the arse end is slidding? no excessive speed it just slides to the left?

Anybody else have this issue, in 2wd.
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Old 10-15-2011, 02:52 PM   #13
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I have my ESP permanently off. I have tried on NUMEROUS occasions in POURING rain, and I swear, even at full throttle from a stop while turning, I CANNOT get that rear end to come loose. Those BFG A/Ts just have way too much grip.

It does, however, come loose in the sand, and it's a drift MONSTER. It's sooooo easy to control the drift angle, and doing full circles in 2nd is a breeze.
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You said what I was thinking. My wife told me the same thing was happening to our Jeep. After riding with her once I told her to slow down, its not a sports car.
I didn't want to say it...but that is what I was thinking as well.

You have to be going pretty damn fast to break the tail loose when accelerating on a dry on ramp.....

I'd check under the hood to make sure that 3.8 wasn't swapped for a Hemi....
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This was my first question to this forum and I was actually looking for help and not sarcasm. I stated that speed is not the issue. The rear end swings out and the ESP lights come on when accelerating from a complete stop on wet pavement. It also happens in the same spot on a certain on ramp no matter what the speed. My tires are 225 7516 BF Goodrich Long Trail TA and they are only six months old.

Tom, I'm sure the function of ESP is NOT to come on when taking a turn at low speed. I f I needed a sarcastic remark, then I could go back to the useless dealership that did the recall work on my brake lines and neglected to top of the brake fluid as well as failed to let me know of the ESP software update back in July when they did the work.

No one answered my question about the software update for the ESP system that is available and if they had to pay for the update. There was a service bulletin for the 4x2 On March 6, 2007 for the 'premature activation of the ESP system when negotiating a curve'. I could not find a service bulletin for the 4x4.

I can assure you all that this is a dangerous problem and in doing some research, have found others with the same issue. I have contacted Chrysler and they have a case worker determining if the owner should have to pay for a software update that is a safety issue.

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Give me a ring, I'll try and explain a couple things to try...

For the record, I love my ESP system. I would try and resolve the issue not turn it off.

Also, there was a TSB on the 07 ESP system. I had one done on my JK. The early 07's went off very easily. Once I had the update not issues.
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This was my first question to this forum and I was actually looking for help and not sarcasm. I stated that speed is not the issue. The rear end swings out and the ESP lights come on when accelerating from a complete stop on wet pavement. It also happens in the same spot on a certain on ramp no matter what the speed. My tires are 225 7516 BF Goodrich Long Trail TA and they are only six months old.

Tom, I'm sure the function of ESP is NOT to come on when taking a turn at low speed. I f I needed a sarcastic remark, then I could go back to the useless dealership that did the recall work on my brake lines and neglected to top of the brake fluid as well as failed to let me know of the ESP software update back in July when they did the work.

No one answered my question about the software update for the ESP system that is available and if they had to pay for the update. There was a service bulletin for the 4x2 On March 6, 2007 for the 'premature activation of the ESP system when negotiating a curve'. I could not find a service bulletin for the 4x4.

I can assure you all that this is a dangerous problem and in doing some research, have found others with the same issue. I have contacted Chrysler and they have a case worker determining if the owner should have to pay for a software update that is a safety issue.

Thank you.
I think our 07's are relics. Most of these guys have newer JK's.

I tried to help, letting you know I myself have an 07 with no issues. Seems you do have a problem if it's not the tires that some have mentioned.

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I have had problems with my 2007 wrangler jk since I bought it a year ago. When accelerating on a ramp or just turning on a wet surface, the back end swings out and the ESP light comes on. It is dangerous and scary every time it happens. The dealership has seen it twice and claims it is because I am driving too fast. Today, they finally told me that there is a software update for the system and that it will cost me $95. Has anyone else had to pay to have software updated? What are the dangers of dismantling the ESP system for everyday road driving? My Wrangler is stock with no modifications.
I wouldn't deactivate the system. The dealer mentioned that there was an update available so I would do it. As far as who's paying I can't advise on that since I have a 10 Rubi. Although, I think $95 isn't bad considering what dealers usually charge. How are the condition of your tires. Worn tires could cause that. Since it happens with wet conditions only maybe your tires, whatever make they are, can't handle that particular situation. Again, I would recommend you not disable the ESP. Find the cause of the problem whether it's the system itself, your tires, or your speed in that particular situation or a combination of all three.
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Project-JK.com - Jeep JK Wrangler Resource » TSB - FLASH: ESP System May Prematurely Activate Momentarily When Negotiating A Curve

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Sorry for the earlier sarcasm.

Being that there is a TSB, but it is a 2007...looks like you are going to have to pay to have it fixed.
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I'm very curious as to why you think speed is not an issue and why you think the ESP light is causing your back end to swing out when you "accelerate" on a ramp.
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I don't know what would cause to swing out..outside of excess speed....but there is clearly a problem with the system. I wonder if the ESP is kicking in too early and slowing/locking up one of the rear wheels for no reason. I guess that could cause the rear end to kick out.
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I don't know what would cause to swing out..outside of excess speed....but there is clearly a problem with the system. I wonder if the ESP is kicking in too early and slowing/locking up one of the rear wheels for no reason. I guess that could cause the rear end to kick out.
I like it. Could be a caliper is hanging up.
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Project-JK.com - Jeep JK Wrangler Resource » TSB - FLASH: ESP System May Prematurely Activate Momentarily When Negotiating A Curve

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Sorry for the earlier sarcasm.

Being that there is a TSB, but it is a 2007...looks like you are going to have to pay to have it fixed.


Even the previous owner would have to pay that $95 if over the warranty period.
A TSB Is not a recall so if the previous owner had the problem there was no guarantee it would have been taken care of
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You guys are just being nice. She said her back end swings out when she accelerates on a ramp. There are lots of cases of ESP coming on when turning on ramps with lifted Jeeps that don't have the steering wheel centered. Non of them have complained about the rear end swinging out because the light came on.
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The only thing I would add is to call around different dealers. According to the TSB, it take 0.4 hours to fix....that is 24 minutes.

They are charging $3.96 per minute to fix it....DAMN...that is $237.60 per hour....
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I do not get the ESP light in my '07 JK, but always slide in corners! 20k on the stock tires with decent tread. Been drivin 4 and 2 wheels for over 35 years, so not new to drivin, just drivin Jeeps. I will be curious to what you find out on this. I always thought the thing slid too easy, just sayin...Thanks for bringin the subject up
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You guys are just being nice. She said her back end swings out when she accelerates on a ramp. There are lots of cases of ESP coming on when turning on ramps with lifted Jeeps that don't have the steering wheel centered. Non of them have complained about the rear end swinging out because the light came on.

That is what I thought at first as well. I was thinking to myself...."You HAVE to have a Hemi at WOT to be able to swing your ass out on dry pavement while going up a ramp....". But maybe she meant wet pavement for both the ramp and the curve.
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I do not get the ESP light in my '07 JK, but always slide in corners! 20k on the stock tires with decent tread. Been drivin 4 and 2 wheels for over 35 years, so not new to drivin, just drivin Jeeps. I will be curious to what you find out on this. I always thought the thing slid too easy, just sayin...Thanks for bringin the subject up
I do hear the tires skip/squeal a bit if I round a corner at a high(er) rate of speed.
I triggered the ESP Light twice since I
bought it 3 months ago.
I still have the factory tires on it and the tread is still ok. From what I've read the Rubi MT's were not the best on wet pavement, so I don't know.
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You guys are just being nice. She said her back end swings out when she accelerates on a ramp. There are lots of cases of ESP coming on when turning on ramps with lifted Jeeps that don't have the steering wheel centered. Non of them have complained about the rear end swinging out because the light came on.
C'mon daggo. It doesn't cost anything to be nice. Maybe the rear end swings out due to a problem with the ESP; caliper hanging up or maybe even speed with a combination of none or one of the above. I would go in for the update and go from there. I would think the rear suspension would also have to be ruled out.

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