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Old 02-16-2013, 01:28 PM   #1
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pro cal vs superchip

This may be a dumb question but I cant seem to find a definitive answer. If you buy the superchip does it do everything pro cal does plus more, or do you have to buy both? does procal do the mods and superchip does fuel? why buy both? is one better than the other? HELP!

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And what ones work with the 2011 jks/jku's
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Old 07-24-2013, 10:44 PM   #6
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Almost 100% sure that you only need the superchips. It reprograms for tires/gears and it claims to help fuel economy but realistically just helps with shift points.
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Depending on which superchip you get. Example: the flashcal only does tires, gears, programmable feature, and some other stuff. It does nothing with the motor or tranny.
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With the newer models 2012+ you can only get the FlashCal from superchips. It's pretty watered down but cheaper than their other models. Being that it's the same price I would get it over the AEV for the screen vs setting switches with a paper manual. Plus it has a few minor extra features. I did a break down awhile back. http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/sup...ts-245413.html

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I started looking into this a bit for my 2012 manual. Here is what I found. I wonder if you remove the tune if it leaves any traces?

FLASHPAQ VS FLASHCAL VS Jeep VIVID LINQ
All these are made by superchips. The flashcal is the only one available for the 2012+ right now. It's $160 for the flashcal vs $350 for the flashpaq. There is also "Jeep VIVID LINQ" $350 that works via bluetooth with an android phone. It seems that it is like the flashpaq with a few added features.

FLASHCAL LINK>Jeep Flashcal
The flashcal is very similar to the $160 AEV procal in features (AEV-ProCal Module). It allows you to set tire, and axle ratios as its bread and butter. It also offers a few other tweaks not related to the engine. Many of those can be done anyways with the steering wheel controls or by doing wheel sequences ( http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/man...le-155357.html ).

KEY PRODUCT FEATURES: (pasted from web link)
• Corrects speedometer for tire upgrades between 22.5” - 44.25”
• Speedometer recalibration for gear /axle swaps up to 5.38
• Locking axle options with transfer case in 4-Hi & 4-Low (2007-10 Rubicon only) NOTE: AEV Procal doesn't have this.
• ESP stability optimization (2011-13 automatic transmission models only)
• Engine idle adjustability for winching
• Street legal TPMS adjustability (Off-Road options available for download)
• Daytime running light options (2007-12 models only)
• One touch lane change
• Radio delay options (2011-13 models only)
• Headlamp delay options (2011-13 models only)
• Horn chirp and exterior lighting flash options when locking doors with keyless entry ( It can be done easily anyways http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/man...le-155357.html )
• Reads and clears diagnostic trouble codes ( It can be done easily anyways http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/man...le-155357.html )
• Internet updatable

FLASHPAQ LINK>Jeep Flashpaq Off Road Tuner (link shows all features)
The flashpaq $350 offers all the engine tuning features. The basics of how it works are shown well here
LINK> Project-JK.com - Jeep JK Wrangler Resource » Superchips Flashpaq Jeep JK Wrangler Installation Write-Up & Review


Jeep VIVID LINQ LINK>VIVID LINQ
This is the one that works with android phones.
  • Tuning-Industry leading tuning for trucks, Jeeps and performance cars delivering maximum horsepower, torque and world class drivability for your vehicle
  • Tune for high performance, heavy load towing, fuel economy or off-road uses
  • Syncs wirelessly with your vehicle using included Bluetooth dongle
  • Uses Android operating systems to provide a simple yet effective user interface to make tuning a snap
  • 50-state emissions legal
  • Guages
  • Intercept PIDs on the bus and display them in real-time
  • Gauges provide vital information when towing, off-road or at the track
  • Includes several gauge sets
  • Maximize track performance with real-time feedback
  • Inclinometer / G-Force Meter-Uses on-board 3-axis accelerometer and graphics accelerator to measure pitch and roll
  • Establish entrance and departure points for turns
  • Make last minute car setup adjustments at the track
  • Monitor off-road driving performance
  • Maintenance Minder-No more missing important maintenance intervals
  • Uses include reminders for oil changes, rotate tires and more
  • App automatically recognizes when a check engine light is on and provides a summary
  • Manufacturer Part Number (MPN): Superchips 1387

JEEP FACTORY WARRANTY?- Superchips recommends removing the tune before taking your Jeep in for service. If you didn't do so I believe that it could void any engine components, but other items like suspension would still be under warranty. It's possible that with the Flashcal that wouldn't even be an issue. After removing I wonder if it leaves any traces?
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A Chrysler employee said it does leave a trace even if you go back to stock. After some research, many of the newer computer systems in modern vehicles can do this too. I'm guessing you should go back to stock so the Flashpaq will pick up any updates to the Chyrsler stock "tune" when you get home.

That said, I still have a Flashpaq and love it (2010). I haven't heard of the dealership refusing warranty work from a tuner, but I'd love to know if this has happened.
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I bought the FlashCal and it works as advertised. I was able to change tire size setting, remove the TPMS light and also have my fogs set to DRL's. The only thing that was a bit inconvenient was for the TPS it is a 3 step process. Step 1 - you have to hook the FC to your Jeep and lower the pressure number down to 10 and save. Step 2 - Go to the SuperChips website and do an update for the TPMS function. Step 3 - Hook the FC back to your Jeep and you will now be able to bring that number from 10 down to 0 thus shutting off the TPMS light. I think a lot of people just do the update first and it doesnt work properly. From talking to a tech at SuperChips you have to do it in the order above or it will not shut the light off. I am assuming its for some sort of liability protection about shutting the light off for your own safety blah blah blah!
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I bought a flashcal but its still on a fedex truck :o

cant wait to have a working speedometer and lack of a TPMS light. Can it magically fix my evap esim?
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I bought a flashcal but its still on a fedex truck :o

cant wait to have a working speedometer and lack of a TPMS light. Can it magically fix my evap esim?
Not sure about the evap esim Adam but make sure you do the 3 step process i noted above...if you dont the light will not go off.
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Not sure about the evap esim Adam but make sure you do the 3 step process i noted above...if you dont the light will not go off.
I think my esim just needs some silicone, honestly. Thanks for the 3 step process, i will definitely follow your directions.
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I just got a 4" lift and 35" tires and have had a hard time getting the speedo to read correct using the Superchips unit for 2012 Jeeps. First the instructions require you to measure your tire height, which I did, then input that size in the unit, which I did, then tested it and the speedo was 5 over.

Hooked the programmer up again and tried lowering the tire size a quarter size down and the speedo now reads just 3 over, which is closer than any other setting I have used when testing. Called Superchips and they stated 3 over or under is right on. I thought that was kinda of nutty but anyway, he asked what I was using to measure my speeds, which I was using a GPS unit (Garmin). The superchips guy stated that wasn't the best way to measure your speed since they are not really spot on and the factory settings are a few miles per hour off too.

Used a radar gun and still reading 3mph over on the speedo.....anyone have this issue and or figured out how to get your speedo back to spot on readings?
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Just keep changing tire size until you get the right speedo reading. My 35s measure 34.25 but i had to use 33.75 to get my speed right.
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Will do.....thanks for the heads up. My 35" measure the same (34.25). I will have to get out and play more with the size settings.
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Maybe another dumb question, but why does the SuperChips say that it does not do 2013 daytime running lights? Did something change after 2012 that prevents this option? I have looked at the AEV unit and it does not specify that it does not work on 2013 models. Anyone know what gives?
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Maybe another dumb question, but why does the SuperChips say that it does not do 2013 daytime running lights? Did something change after 2012 that prevents this option? I have looked at the AEV unit and it does not specify that it does not work on 2013 models. Anyone know what gives?
I think you can still turn them on. I forgot what setting I used to turn mine on.
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BB, if yours is a '12, the Superchip instructions say it will work (something like 07-12 only). Mine is a '13, so I can assume from the Superchip material that it will not work on mine. I would like to have DRLs, but don't know if that is possible.
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BB, if yours is a '12, the Superchip instructions say it will work (something like 07-12 only). Mine is a '13, so I can assume from the Superchip material that it will not work on mine. I would like to have DRLs, but don't know if that is possible.
I just got a Flashcal for my 2013 6sp and it does not have the option for the DRL. I am hoping that they will get this working in a future update.

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BB, if yours is a '12, the Superchip instructions say it will work (something like 07-12 only). Mine is a '13, so I can assume from the Superchip material that it will not work on mine. I would like to have DRLs, but don't know if that is possible.
Yeah mine is a 12. That sucks that something changed on the 13 to make it not work. I would give them a call. They were very helpful for me when i had a couple questions.
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I just got a 4" lift and 35" tires and have had a hard time getting the speedo to read correct using the Superchips unit for 2012 Jeeps. First the instructions require you to measure your tire height, which I did, then input that size in the unit, which I did, then tested it and the speedo was 5 over.

Hooked the programmer up again and tried lowering the tire size a quarter size down and the speedo now reads just 3 over, which is closer than any other setting I have used when testing. Called Superchips and they stated 3 over or under is right on. I thought that was kinda of nutty but anyway, he asked what I was using to measure my speeds, which I was using a GPS unit (Garmin). The superchips guy stated that wasn't the best way to measure your speed since they are not really spot on and the factory settings are a few miles per hour off too.

Used a radar gun and still reading 3mph over on the speedo.....anyone have this issue and or figured out how to get your speedo back to spot on readings?
most vehicles have a speedo that reads 2 or 3 too high anyway. better than too low!

Is the radar gun properly calibrated? They have to be calibrated with tuning forks. Or is it a cop's? Cops usually have em set up right, but its still not unheard of.
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I bought the FlashCal and it works as advertised. I was able to change tire size setting, remove the TPMS light and also have my fogs set to DRL's. The only thing that was a bit inconvenient was for the TPS it is a 3 step process. Step 1 - you have to hook the FC to your Jeep and lower the pressure number down to 10 and save. Step 2 - Go to the SuperChips website and do an update for the TPMS function. Step 3 - Hook the FC back to your Jeep and you will now be able to bring that number from 10 down to 0 thus shutting off the TPMS light. I think a lot of people just do the update first and it doesnt work properly. From talking to a tech at SuperChips you have to do it in the order above or it will not shut the light off. I am assuming its for some sort of liability protection about shutting the light off for your own safety blah blah blah!
i followed your 3 step process and the light did *NOT* turn off. whatsoever.

I set the tire size to 32" (i have 33s) and it's dead on though.
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i followed your 3 step process and the light did *NOT* turn off. whatsoever.

I set the tire size to 32" (i have 33s) and it's dead on though.
When you did step 3 were you able to bring the tire pressure from 10 down to 0? If not then something didn't work properly with the update. I had to do my update a couple times to get it to actually download correctly.
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Yeah on step 3 i brought the tire pressure down from 10 to 0 no problem but lights still on
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Hmmm thats odd. I would give SuperChips a call today and review it with them. That is exactly how mine was and the light went off right away. Wish i could help more but the customer service was great when i talked to them. Update after you get in touch with them if you would.
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I put 34x11.50 on mine and the speedo is dead on as measured by a calibrated radar, so I suppose it was fast with the stock 255's. calibrated radar has to read +-1mph or they get trashed.

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