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Old 06-02-2013, 04:13 PM   #31
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Haven't had a problem in Wisco yet. I've had the doors and top of since April and get just the friendly wave every so often. If I read correctly mirrors are only required if manufactured with vehicle.

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Lived in TX for 4 years and I have never had a problem with the doors off. I dont even have the front license plate installed. I have a bracket but it gets in the way of the winch.
Texas is awesome!! I haven't run a front plate for 20 years. I run without doors and only reason I like side mirrors is because my rear mirror is useless with a 35" spare.

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Old 06-02-2013, 05:34 PM   #33
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PA does not allow you to drive with the doors off but I've never had an issue. Put some mirrors on just to be safe, and no one will bother you. Also it's illegal to drive around with a stinger, even hitches and fairleads for the winch are illegal. just sayin...PA blowssss
I'm in PA and I'm aware of the door issue (and the fender flares, etc.) Having said that, most police in my area ignore you if you're running without doors -- unless the local municipal coffers are running low, then it's nuisance ticket time.

I have not ever heard mention of it being a violation of the vehicle code to have a winch bumper with a winch installed, especially given that PA is fine with a wooden bumper. The only issue that I've ever heard of regarding bumpers is the lack thereof or being at an improper height (usually on majorly-lifted trucks).

You wouldn't happen to have a PA vehicle code reference on that, would you?
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I was fined for off-road lights - I forget exactly what the the code was but it had something about ornamental lighting in it.. The sad thing is that the lights were not wired up, no bulbs in the lights and the WARN light covers on. They were arresting anyone in the area, who had anything aftermarket on there trucks. If there was anything aftermarket on and it didn't come from the factory, they pulled you over and you got a ticket. CRAZY.
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I was fined for off-road lights - I forget exactly what the the code was but it had something about ornamental lighting in it.. The sad thing is that the lights were not wired up, no bulbs in the lights and the WARN light covers on. They were arresting anyone in the area, who had anything aftermarket on there trucks. If there was anything aftermarket on and it didn't come from the factory, they pulled you over and you got a ticket. CRAZY.
That's surprising. I know some states require them to be covered, but I've never heard of people anywhere getting in trouble for covered lights
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Old 06-02-2013, 07:38 PM   #36
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That don't make sense at all. Even in anal retentive VA, as long as all factory equipped lighting and signals are operational, you can do whatever you want with add on lighting. Granted you can't have the HiLites turned on while on state/city roads, but you can put them on the vehicle if you want.

As for the doors i would like to see that code from VA if anybody knows where to find it. I was under the impression that you had to have mirrors installed at least. But my neighbor has a blazer with no doors/mirrors and the cops haven't bothered him yet about it. And he is always being a dummy, so the local cops are always watching him closely. You would think they would have ticketed him by now if it was illegal.
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Old 06-02-2013, 09:50 PM   #37
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Old 06-02-2013, 09:55 PM   #38
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What part of PA? I'm Chester County, no issues yet.
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it's sad when NY is more lenient on laws.. no fender flare laws and doors off is okay.. (just need the mirrors)..

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it's sad when NY is more lenient on laws.. no fender flare laws and doors off is okay.. (just need the mirrors)..

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I live 15 miles from the NY border (I live in PA), and I was pulled over by NY town cop for no doors, but I had mirrors. I was one of 3 jeeps rolling along without doors, but I was the only one with PA plates, so he nailed me.

Never been pulled over here in PA for being doorless, but they do like to make sure your wheels are covered by flares. Never heard anything on the winch fairlead subject...I have a neighbor who is a PA State Trooper, I think I will bend his ear a little on the subject and see what he has to say.
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My reading comprehension is off a little this morning (to much rally on the river last night) Is the highlighted part saying that as long as there is not a roof or side, than no doors are required??
It says that if there are doors, they must open and close securely. If you modified it to not have doors, you don't need doors. Since removing the doors effectively modifies the Jeep to not have doors, you don't need doors on your Jeep in PA. You do not even need side mirrors, as long as you have the rear view mirror in place.
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Old 06-03-2013, 05:03 AM   #42
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bro your in my county, tell me how many times you see see people riding around no front bumpers, missing hoods and what not. i honestly don't think any here would pull you over for not having any doors... then again who knows lol
I drive around all the time with my doors off and never got stopped.
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I live near pittsburgh and this is why i won't take my doors off
Never had a problem in Pittsburgh for the past 3 years, even when I had no fenders on. You'll be fine taking your doors off. Just make sure to have a mirror on your drivers side
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That don't make sense at all. Even in anal retentive VA, as long as all factory equipped lighting and signals are operational, you can do whatever you want with add on lighting. Granted you can't have the HiLites turned on while on state/city roads, but you can put them on the vehicle if you want.

As for the doors i would like to see that code from VA if anybody knows where to find it. I was under the impression that you had to have mirrors installed at least. But my neighbor has a blazer with no doors/mirrors and the cops haven't bothered him yet about it. And he is always being a dummy, so the local cops are always watching him closely. You would think they would have ticketed him by now if it was illegal.
VA is pretty hardcore on the MV code, but surprisingly, I run doors off and went through what they call selective enforcement (where they overload a county for a day with VSP and turn them loose to write anything they can find.) the other day. No problems whatsoever. I did have some Harley mirrors in the hinges, but I've seen guys running doorless without them everywhere. I think in the Communistwealth, as long as your muffler is good, you have your front tag, sticker, and don't go crazy with the tint you are fine.
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Old 06-03-2013, 09:07 AM   #45
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Texas is awesome!! I haven't run a front plate for 20 years. I run without doors and only reason I like side mirrors is because my rear mirror is useless with a 35" spare.
LOL! I got a ticket about 3 years ago for no front license plate in downtown Houston.
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i have got waved at from the cops here in pa with my doors off
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Old 06-03-2013, 09:30 AM   #47
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I was fined for off-road lights - I forget exactly what the the code was but it had something about ornamental lighting in it.. The sad thing is that the lights were not wired up, no bulbs in the lights and the WARN light covers on. They were arresting anyone in the area, who had anything aftermarket on there trucks. If there was anything aftermarket on and it didn't come from the factory, they pulled you over and you got a ticket. CRAZY.
What state? That doesn't sound legal at all. So you are saying if I had just a light housing attached to my bumper they would give me a ticket? I would be first in line at the court house to get the ticket thrown out. I know you can't have off road lights on while driving. If they are on your vehicle but the lights are off there is nothing they can do.
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Old 06-03-2013, 10:16 AM   #48
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That blows...


I didn't see anything about doors in Illinois...AND...it looks like I don't even need side mirrors.

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(625 ILCS 5/12-502) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 12-502)
Sec. 12-502. Mirrors. Every motor vehicle, operated singly or when towing another vehicle, shall be equipped with a mirror so located as to reflect to the driver a view of the highway for a distance of at least 200 feet to the rear of such motor vehicle.
(Source: P.A. 82-122.)
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Old 06-03-2013, 11:34 AM   #49
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Time to leave the Republic of Pennsylvania, sounds like.
Nah, totally isolated case.

To the guy with the ticket for the covered offroad lights... You totally could have beaten that. I hope you chose to contest it. Even if they were wired with the covers on them, the ticketing officer didn't have a chance.
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Old 06-03-2013, 12:38 PM   #50
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What part of PA? I'm Chester County, no issues yet.

i get compliments from cops here in lancaster.
however i am on the look out for a buggy with tube doors.
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Old 06-03-2013, 01:03 PM   #51
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Hopefully it's not illegal in jersey. I've driven by many many cops none have pulled me over. I did relocate my mirrors though. With that being said, has anyone else found the passenger side mirror useless with these? Original Replacement Parts 102504RR - Mirror Relocation Bracket in Black for 07-13 Jeep® Wrangler & Wrangler Unlimited JK - Quadratec
Yup. With the doors on, the passenger side mirror is useless. I added a little 2-inch diameter to the top outside corner of the mirror and it works okay.
Fortunately, I have never lost the habit of checking over my shoulder before making a lane change, so that mirror is really for show on my rig anyway.
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I see people all the time without doors in PA, guess I'll just stay in Ohio to be safe.
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Old 06-03-2013, 04:33 PM   #53
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bro your in my county, tell me how many times you see see people riding around no front bumpers, missing hoods and what not. i honestly don't think any here would pull you over for not having any doors... then again who knows lol

Yeah, I am in Broward County. As long as the vehicle has four wheels and can move forward it is ok to drive, especially in the left hand lane!
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Hopefully it's not illegal in jersey. I've driven by many many cops none have pulled me over. I did relocate my mirrors though. With that being said, has anyone else found the passenger side mirror useless with these? Original Replacement Parts 102504RR - Mirror Relocation Bracket in Black for 07-13 Jeep® Wrangler & Wrangler Unlimited JK - Quadratec


I have it.

Yes, it is of no practical use, even with a stick-on convex (?!?)/wide-view mirror stuck to it.

Already cost me one ticket, sort of - but I place more blame with the motorcycle offer hiding in my blind spot, using me to ticket others (I guess). The judge still found me responsible, but let me attend traffic school even though that option should have passed. It was worth it in court to hear him ask the uniformed officer what the little tag was hanging below his name tag (this was during court). The officer explained that the tag ID'd him as an instructor, for a motorcycle driving instruction course. The judge then deadpans and asks him if it was standard practice for him to teach his cadets to drive in the blind spot of other vehicles - which he admitted he was doing. Cost me $200 bucks, but at least I got to hear that.
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The Explanation I got...

So, as an avid Jeeper for 30+ years, I always drive around with my doors off in the summer (heck, my CJ-7 Golden Eagle didn't even have doors!).

Two years ago, I was followed by the local police to a parking lot, where the Officer informed me that I had to put my doors back on. He told me it was illegal in PA, except for CJs and TJs (I guess because doors were "optional" back then). Anyway, I wrote a letter to the local Police Chief stating my case. His explanation was that the doors were required by the PA Vehicle Inspection Code, and since all vehicles on the road must be inspected, then by extension the doors must be on at all times. Apparently the same thing is true for pick-up truck tailgates. He then told me that this wasn't a priority for his Officers. I still think it's a grey area.

So, I am still driving without my doors, and haven't had a problem since. Most Police don't know or care, I suspect (some even wave). I heard that the guy who "warned" me was being hassled for not having a tailgate on his own p/u. Go figure.

For me, I told my Wife that I'm going to keep on running without the doors until I actually get fined...and have a chance to state my case.

The whole thing is silly...no helmet on a motorcycle is perfectly OK, people drive around erractically yacking on their phones or texting, driving cars that are total pieces of junk, etc, yet driving around in a heavy, solidly-built vehicle that hasn't required doors since its inception is illegal? Give me a break. There are just too many stupid rules these days - I really don't need the Gov't to keep me safe...I'm doing just fine on my own.

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I live 15 miles from the NY border (I live in PA), and I was pulled over by NY town cop for no doors, but I had mirrors. I was one of 3 jeeps rolling along without doors, but I was the only one with PA plates, so he nailed me.

Never been pulled over here in PA for being doorless, but they do like to make sure your wheels are covered by flares. Never heard anything on the winch fairlead subject...I have a neighbor who is a PA State Trooper, I think I will bend his ear a little on the subject and see what he has to say.
Can you be ticketed if your car is compliant to your home state? Like running a FL registered vehicle without a front plate in NY?
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Can you be ticketed if your car is compliant to your home state? Like running a FL registered vehicle without a front plate in NY?
No. You can't even get a duplicate plate in states that only a single plate.
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I was wondering the same thing myself while I reading it.
I first read it that way too.. but then went carefully back and made this conclusion...

The first line says this and stand alone simply says a vehicle must have doors if it was originally equipped with them and of the same type originally equipped with.

A vehicle specified under this subchapter shall be equipped with doors of a type used as original equipment.

Then the second line just goes to whether or not the must close securely or not. It does not indicate they can be omitted if the condition of no top or sides is present.
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Yeah, I am in Broward County. As long as the vehicle has four wheels and can move forward it is ok to drive, especially in the left hand lane!
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I'd like to see a lawyer interpret that PA code. Especially seeing as right inside the Jeep it says the doors are just to keep out the elements, in other words they're as good as me wearing a poncho. "Sir, you need to put the doors back on"...."but officer, I have a poncho on in their place"

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