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Old 06-03-2013, 07:54 PM   #61
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I'd like to see a lawyer interpret that PA code. Especially seeing as right inside the Jeep it says the doors are just to keep out the elements, in other words they're as good as me wearing a poncho. "Sir, you need to put the doors back on"...."but officer, I have a poncho on in their place"
Where does it say that, just in case I need to use it?

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Where does it say that, just in case I need to use it?
Mine has it on a sticker on the top itself positioned either right above the mirror or above the driver's visor.

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I feel as though a lot of police officers realize people who drive Jeeps aren't attempting to hot rod it or drive like a fool when we have ours doors off around here.
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No. You can't even get a duplicate plate in states that only a single plate.
by that same logic then, can you get a ticket in PA if your jeep is registered in NY (or some other state w/o door or flare restrictions)
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No. As long as it's legally registered out of state, another state's laws can't be enforced on your vehicle. Only federal laws can be enforced.

I live near the PA border and my Jeep would violate several PA laws: tires wider then fender flares, no covers on my auxiliary lights and tail light guards. But since I'm from Ohio, they can't do anything about it.
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This is what the judge said - he used the word ornamental instead of decorative- Ornamental lamps. A lamp not enumerated in this section and not located as described in Tables III, IV and V of this chapter, is prohibited unless it is available as original equipment. An illuminated sign is prohibited except on taxicabs, ambulances and trucks. Flashing or revolving lights are not ornamental lamps. Provisions relating to flashing or revolving lights are in Chapters 15 and 173 (relating to authorized vehicles and special operating privileges; and flashing or revolving lights on emergency and authorized vehicles).
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I should of said, this was a long time ago in Lancaster, PA.
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Old 06-04-2013, 10:51 AM   #68
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No. As long as it's legally registered out of state, another state's laws can't be enforced on your vehicle. Only federal laws can be enforced.

I live near the PA border and my Jeep would violate several PA laws: tires wider then fender flares, no covers on my auxiliary lights and tail light guards. But since I'm from Ohio, they can't do anything about it.
Not true. They sure can enforce the tires wider than fenders law on out of state vehicles. For all of the crap folks give Virginia on over enforcement, the only things I see them doing is the speed/reckless driving tickets and tinted windows. You can try to fight it as being from out of state, but you will lose.
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I live near pittsburgh and this is why i won't take my doors off
Why? I live near Pittsburgh too. Is there something I should know?
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Old 06-04-2013, 07:38 PM   #70
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I am a cop in PA and there is not such law requiring doors on a Jeep. Its usually the absence of a side mirror or failure to use a seatbelt that gets a cop's attention. If anyone is getting written up for this, then the cop is using some vague interpretation of the law. I would challenge it.

On the other hand, I can't believe how many Jeeps I see with the doors off and no mirrors. I guess its a nice day to take the doors off, and the owners don't think about needing mirrors. Be careful out there!
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I drove once without mirrors and it wasn't fun. I didn't realize how much I use them until they were off. Dietec brackets with mirrors are on when doors are off.
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I am a cop in PA and there is not such law requiring doors on a Jeep. Its usually the absence of a side mirror or failure to use a seatbelt that gets a cop's attention. If anyone is getting written up for this, then the cop is using some vague interpretation of the law. I would challenge it.

On the other hand, I can't believe how many Jeeps I see with the doors off and no mirrors. I guess its a nice day to take the doors off, and the owners don't think about needing mirrors. Be careful out there!
Thanks for the official word on this issue
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Old 06-04-2013, 08:12 PM   #73
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I am a cop in PA and there is not such law requiring doors on a Jeep. Its usually the absence of a side mirror or failure to use a seatbelt that gets a cop's attention. If anyone is getting written up for this, then the cop is using some vague interpretation of the law. I would challenge it.

On the other hand, I can't believe how many Jeeps I see with the doors off and no mirrors. I guess its a nice day to take the doors off, and the owners don't think about needing mirrors. Be careful out there!
well the cop began to quote the law to me and he proceeded to tell me that i had to have doors on it. some cops pull you over and some don't. in my little redneck town the cops have nothing better to do i guess. one officer told me that that law can be interpreted one way or the other. i also asked the sheriff in my county and he said doors are required for every jeep except those made in 1972 and back
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by that same logic then, can you get a ticket in PA if your jeep is registered in NY (or some other state w/o door or flare restrictions)
Not so sure its the same logic at all. What was asked was if you could get a ticket in NY for not having a front plate on an out of state vehicle. I live in PA and can't get a front plate even if I wanted one, so no, I cannot be ticketed in NY for not running a front plate.

PA has emission inspection, but a vehicle from a state without them wouldn't be ticketed for not having an emissions sticker.

That is totally different than running a modification that is against the law in another state. I would imagine any cop that isn't a complete peckerhead would issue a warning unless it was something flagrant.
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Old 06-04-2013, 09:57 PM   #75
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I've been through this few times and a great pa DMV lawyer who got me out of traffic tickets after traffic tickets and suspensions told me it is the drivers responsibility to adhere to local and state traffic and vehicle laws. If your vehicle is registered in ny and passes its laws but you drive that same vehicle out of state and something doesn't comply to that stats law they can issue you a citation. My lawyer usually takes care of all this crap or me but my vehicle is almost 50 state legal.

Check out this site, I'm not sure how current it is but its a good source for lift laws by state. http://www.liftlaws.com/
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Old 06-04-2013, 10:11 PM   #76
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I'm in PA and I'm aware of the door issue (and the fender flares, etc.) Having said that, most police in my area ignore you if you're running without doors -- unless the local municipal coffers are running low, then it's nuisance ticket time.

I have not ever heard mention of it being a violation of the vehicle code to have a winch bumper with a winch installed, especially given that PA is fine with a wooden bumper. The only issue that I've ever heard of regarding bumpers is the lack thereof or being at an improper height (usually on majorly-lifted trucks).

You wouldn't happen to have a PA vehicle code reference on that, would you?
I don't have the actual code sorry, I looked it up once. Basically it says that nothing can stick out farther than your stock bumpers. I didn't pass inspection with my stinger, and he said that if he really wanted to he could get me for the fairlead cause it sticks out too. But he then said that if he were to do that then he would have to knock everyone who leaves the hitch ball in the hitch cause that's technically illegal since it sticks out! Really no one is going to bother you for a winch, stinger on the other hand just won't pass inspection at a normal joint. It's whatever I was over the obnoxious thing anyways lol
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well the cop began to quote the law to me and he proceeded to tell me that i had to have doors on it. some cops pull you over and some don't. in my little redneck town the cops have nothing better to do i guess. one officer told me that that law can be interpreted one way or the other. i also asked the sheriff in my county and he said doors are required for every jeep except those made in 1972 and back
The officer who told you it can be interpreted one way or the other is probably guessing at half of his job. It is his job to enforce the law, it is left up to the bench to interpret the law. I brought this up to a couple of my buddies who are LEOs and the prosecutor girlfriend. All agreed that it is the state you are driving in to decide whether it is legal according to their code. No different than helmet laws for example. Virginia is very strict, the KY border is 8 miles away and almost every time you head that way, you see a helmet Chinese fire drill at the wide spot by the state line. Just be aware of what is around you, if one hassles you, understand he is trying to do his or her job(whether right or wrong), and if it doesn't turn out your way, that's the court system's job to sort out.
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Its legal in nv
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All agreed that it is the state you are driving in to decide whether it is legal according to their code. No different than helmet laws for example. Virginia is very strict, the KY border is 8 miles away and almost every time you head that way, you see a helmet Chinese fire drill at the wide spot by the state line.
If you're saying that a motorcycle helmet law in one state might not apply to someone riding there from another state that doesn't have the same law and they think they aren't required to wear one for that reason I totally disagree. That would be like saying a seat belt law doesn't necessarily apply to someone visiting from another state where they don't have such a law.
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Not true. They sure can enforce the tires wider than fenders law on out of state vehicles. For all of the crap folks give Virginia on over enforcement, the only things I see them doing is the speed/reckless driving tickets and tinted windows. You can try to fight it as being from out of state, but you will lose.
Do you know this for a fact or are you assuming because it does't sound right at all. I'm actually pretty confident that you are wrong though I can't prove it.

My buddy at work used to be a cop. I'll ask him what he thinks about it. I'm thinking he doesn't know the exact answer but is going to say he wouldn't pull over an out of state car for something like that.
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U can be issued a ticket for not following the states regulations. For example. U tint ur windows and live in nv.(legal 35% on doors). U go to Cali where they have no tint law on frt doors. They can issue u a ticket.

The frt plate issue is not going to get u a ticket IF ur home state only require 1 plate.
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Here is a list of state by state window tint % Welcome to TintLaws.com

Ohio is 50% on the front sides and PA is 70%.

The Bantam Jeep Festival is next week and I've been to it for the past two years. There are a lot of out of state Jeeps that attend. The police would have a field day handing out tickets to out of state Jeeps if they could. But they only direct traffic and crowd control. I've also driven my Jeep in PA numerous times without being hassled by the cops.
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From what I remember in my honda civic days window tint is illegal on your front windows no matter how dark/light it is (In PA). The front windows can only be tinted from factory. At least that's what I was told twice when I was pulled over and cited for tint. One reason why I will never tint my windows again.
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Most states don't allow windshield tint. Side windows and rear windows vary state to state.
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It is amusing what can be leagally on the road in Florida. Just yesterday I saw a guy with a motorcycle front and a K-car rear. Making it an odd 3 wheeler.

I used to live in Hernando County Florida and saw a guy driving a boat (with an outboard on the back) mounted to a car frame. The picture is below.

I lived in NYS and PA and often wondered why a new car had to be inspected. Except for 1 county in FL, there is no inspection. I love it. The responsibility for the safety of your vehicle is yours not the governments.

Would this pass inspection in your state?
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Depends on the county in my state. Most likely it would. You should see some of the crap on the roads in Ohio.

The sad thing about that boat is that it would not hold up in any type of crash and i doubt it even floats anymore. All that work for something that's useless.
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I have had the police try to pull me over for this before. Had mirrors on both sides but no doors. Got off the road and into the bush before he could catch up to me.

The cop was from a town that pulls over jeeps with no doors. Doesn't matter if you have mirrors or not.

Now I see people driving all the time with no mirrors and doors. If its doorless, 90% of the time it has no mirrors. I wonder how these people don't get pulled over?!?!?

But a friend of mine told me as long as the jeep has mirrors, then you aren't breaking the law.

I also see Cherokees with no fender flares on a daily basis.

So I haven't taken my doors off yet. I don't know what to believe.
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I have had the police try to pull me over for this before. Had mirrors on both sides but no doors. Got off the road and into the bush before he could catch up to me.

The cop was from a town that pulls over jeeps with no doors. Doesn't matter if you have mirrors or not.

Now I see people driving all the time with no mirrors and doors. If its doorless, 90% of the time it has no mirrors. I wonder how these people don't get pulled over?!?!?

But a friend of mine told me as long as the jeep has mirrors, then you aren't breaking the law.

I also see Cherokees with no fender flares on a daily basis.

So I haven't taken my doors off yet. I don't know what to believe.
From reading this thread, and others...one mirror only is legal in PA. However, running doorless is up for interpretation. Seems to vary from municipalities and how they choose to read the law, or if they are even aware if it.
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I know. Just adding my 2 cents.

Ill add another 2 cents when I get pulled over because I'm going to drive all over this weekend.
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No. As long as it's legally registered out of state, another state's laws can't be enforced on your vehicle. Only federal laws can be enforced.

I live near the PA border and my Jeep would violate several PA laws: tires wider then fender flares, no covers on my auxiliary lights and tail light guards. But since I'm from Ohio, they can't do anything about it.
This. States have no authority to issue compliance tickets to out of state vehicles, even if the problem is illegal in the vehicle's home state.

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