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Old 04-10-2011, 08:45 PM   #1
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Purchase of Jeep Unlimited Sahara/Rubicon 2012

Hello Jeep family and enthusiasts.

Our family is considering the purchase of a new Jeep Unlimited Sahara or Rubicon. I need some input.

I have owned several Toyota Tacoma and other Toyota vehicles over the years and had exceptionally good luck with them.

The Jeep Unlimited Rubicon has caught my eye.

We purchased a Jeep Cherokee Classic with 4.0L engine brand new in 2001. I regret to say that we had several problems with it. Front brakes, thermostat, etc. We finally traded it in with less than 20,000 miles on it and it was approximately 2 years old. It had never been off road. We had it serviced by our 5 star Chrysler dealer from the time it was new.

I purchase a vehicle brand new and attempt to take very good care of it. I expect a new vehicle to last for 200,000 miles. I know that may sound like a lot to expect from a vehicle, but this is my expectation.

I am very wary to purchase another Chrysler vehicle. The reason for this post is to get feedback. I know you are part of the Jeep family so please give me your honest opinion of the Jeep Unlimited Sahara and or Rubicon. I will use it approximately 90% to 95% city and highway driving with 5% to 10% jeep trails, mining trails, fly fishing, etc. Is the Jeep more than capable of meeting my expectations or not. My Tacoma and other Toyota vehicles have been virtually trouble free.

Were there problems with the Jeep Cherokee that I purchased that you are aware of? I thought with the Jeep Cherokee being produced for so many years it was going to be a great vehicle.

I have test driven the Jeep Unlimited Rubicon and it feels great. However, almost any new vehicle does.

If you need additional information from me regarding my driving habits, etc. let me know. We are located in Colorado and will be using the vehicle in Colorado, Utah, Wyoming, and Montana.

Thank you for assisting me with my request.

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i dont own a newer JK but just a little advise, i saw you said atleast 90% highway, you wont need the rubicon, yes it looks awesome but your paying for features like lockers and gears that you really will never use unless you plan on offroading or putting a lift and bigger tires on it..just my 2 cents ;] i have several friends with cherokees and never heard of the problems you mentioned, the 4.0 motor is known to last for a long time, most people i know have over 150,000 on 4.0s and no problems what so ever, not sure about this new JK engine, dont think anyones put that many miles on them yet

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love my Jk! just did some mods ! get on!
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The Jeep Cherokee XJ was the last great SUV so to speak They had problems with the 2000-2001 when they started to have to comply with the uncle sam type engines and they had a poor head casting that cracked easily. The 91-95 4.0ho XJ is still the best Jeep to get and I have two of them and would get another in a second if I see a deal. I love my 93 XJ and dont doubt going anywhere in it at 249000 miles.

5-10 % offroad is alot if you think about it. I lived in CO for a few years and know that theres a ton to explore there and if your going to actually go to the better places like ghost towns and forest service 4wd only roads than the Rubi might be for you. Think real hard about what and where your going to go and if you are going to use the Jeep for what it is.

Knowing what I know now I would have done many things different, one having never left Colorado.
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I would stick with the Sahara if you really don't ever plan to offroad very much. You'll be wasting a lot of extra money on the Rubicon package. The extra $$ is for beefier off-road equipment.

The 70th Anniversary Edition Sahara should be available for your dealer to check out, if you want something fairly unique.

I think the 3.8L V6 is a pretty solid (if somewhat underpowered for a JKU) engine, its been in Chrysler's lineup for a few years and has a decent reputation.

If you really don't ever plan to off-road, I would suggest sticking with the Toyota or look at the Grand Cherokee. The things that make a Wrangler an appealing vehicle (removable top & doors, above average off-road ability) for some people are the things that drive a lot of other people nuts. If you don't plan to take advantage of the removable top/doors, the additional headaches from possible leaks and other "Jeep" things may not be what you're looking for.

Upon further review, I just read you are in Colorado. The Rubi might be worth it just for your winters.
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Unless you are doing serious off-roading or rock crawling the stock JK Sport should be more than adequate. You will save about $6000 and you can spend it on the mods that you want/ need.

When I got mine I spent about $1000 on a front bumper and winch, $800 on a Nav system and about $1600 on new rims and tires.
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I love my Rubicon, but if I wasn't going to do much off roading I wouldn't have bought it. Sounds like you don't need the Rubicon.
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If it's within your financial portfolio, get a Rubi, in the color you want-you'll NEVER regret that purchase-

If you want to get a new vehicle Jeep/Toyota/Dodge-whatever ! Within 5 years of your Rubi purchase, you'll stand to lose less than 10% of the price you paid and theres a chance, you won't lose any money, if it's a special discontinued color-

None of the other jeep models can claim that tribute !!

The Rubi will give you a "GOOD" feeling, when you driveit-

You can modifyit-ornot--it don't matter !

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We bought our Rubicon not as a DD but to wheel on weekends, and it’s been great!

Not sure about the trouble-free aspect of it. It’s seen the service department more than both of our DDs combined. So far it hasn’t cost us anything - other than time…
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We bought our Rubicon not as a DD but to wheel on weekends, and it’s been great!

Not sure about the trouble-free aspect of it. It’s seen the service department more than both of our DDs combined. So far it hasn’t cost us anything - other than time…
Mine hasn't seen a dealer in 2˝ years-

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Sorry to hear that !!




Mine hasn't seen a dealer in 2˝ years-

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Like I said, it’s not my DD and hasn’t cost anything so it’s not a big deal. I had to get a Cam Position sensor at 284 miles, then later had them inspect a front pinion seal leak which they said looked like some oil got under the driveshaft and it did stop leaking, leaky top TSB fix, window regulator made some noise and they replaced it, got the click no start issue and they replaced the Range Sensor, got a leaky steering stabilizer and they replaced it under a TSB, inner fender Recall, Hot Oil Recall. Think that’s it. Still glad to have it, it’s been great on the trail.
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Please give me more input



I want to thank everyone who responded to my post. Everyone’s $0.02 is appreciated. I came to this website looking for input.

I am going to post some additional information about our wants and needs.

I keep trying to talk myself out of the Jeep Unlimited Sahara or Rubicon. However I continue to see them on the street and in the mountains and they really turn my head.

I guess this is my older wiser side saying don’t let your heart rule your methodical side. I am a very utilitarian person. Just so everyone here knows. I am also very methodical in my decision making so any additional comments will be appreciated.

I have a couple of friends with Jeeps and Broncos who go to Moab as a yearly ritual. I don’t know if I will go with them or not they run 37” + tires and although they have a lot of fun they may rock climb more than I want. My excursions are listed below.

The hard top with removable doors and removable driver and passenger tops is very appealing to our family. I think back when I had a 1976 CJ5 with a 304cid V-8 and drove the wheels off of it in my younger and more carefree days.

We are interested in exploring mining trails, ghost towns, forest service roads, fly fishing expeditions, etc. in Colorado. We will also do some excursions in Utah, Wyoming, and Montana.

I am looking at making the following modifications some of them sooner and some of them later.

Rear bumper – AEV JK bumper with swing away tire carrier or Fab Fours bumper with swing away tire carrier

Front bumper – AEV JK Premium bumper or Fab Fours JK Lifestyle winch bumper with grill guard

Sliders – Poison Spyder Rocker Knockers or Barnett Performance Products Rocker Guards

Tires 33” to 35” Brand Unknown at this time

Wheels 17” Savegre

Lift kit 2” to 4” with manual disconnects (complete kit with shocks, etc.) Please recommend your favorite

Regear to 5.13’s, axle shafts front and rear, gusset front and rear ends if needed (please tell me what is the best or a top of the line gears, axle shafts, gussets, etc.)

Rear locker Eaton

Additional skid plates if there is a vulnerable area to damage

Cold air intake, performance chip, heat reduction hood

Floor mats throughout, Tuffy Built Storage for the cabin, Hothead Headliner, Bushwacker Pocket Style Fender Flares

I have thought that maybe I am modifying this vehicle too much. Maybe I should stick with 32” or 33” tires and wheels and that way I could retain most if not all of the Rubicon parts. I am still bent on bumpers because I personally don’t like the stock bumpers.

However should I purchase a Sahara and do most if not all of these modifications and have a nicer rig that is more capable?

I am only interested in the automatic transmission. I have driven my company vehicles for many years with their diesel engines and auto transmissions and have really enjoyed them.

I am also considering postponing our purchase until 2012 so we could purchase the new higher horsepower engine.

I love the Detonator Yellow and the Red.

I have an offroad shop in the city I live in that has a lot of Jeeps in and out of his shop that he has repaired, updated and outfitted over the years.

I am looking forward to your comments. I hope everyone has a great week.

If there are any needed modifications I have left out please tell me.
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Thank you. I appreciate all thoughts. Please see my latest post. Have a great day.
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Based on your new information...get the Rubi and don't look back.

You'll already have better axles, electronic discos, front and rear locking diffs, and 4.10 gearing.

A 4" suspension lift and 35" tires make a great combo DD/capable off-roader, especially with the Rubi at the heart of it.

Do the lift, tires and wheels, and the bumpers, and you might decide that's all you really need to do.
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Rubi's retain their sticker value so much better than the other models.
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The Rubi outfitted with those bumpers and throw a winch on there too. I'm just saying it don't sound like the price of a Rubicon is scaring you away by that list of mods. I think your decision is made.
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Hey, if I can help convince you to do it in any way just let me know! If the 2011 compared to a 2009 is any indication of what the 2012 is like, I say GO FOR IT!

We just traded in our 2009 Rubi for the 2011. We had 25K miles on the '09 in a little under 2 years, so me and my family have done a LOT of travelling. ( have 3 daughters: 12, 9 and 3.5). My hubby is the Off-Roader in the family and uses it whenever I allow it, to go hunting and touring around. I don't really want to hear about what he does with it when I am not in it LOL. But it is my primary vehicle and I love everything about it. Even more than the '09 which I never thought would be possible.

16 hours after we brought it home last month, we took the whole family on a trip to Vegas/Disney. In 16 days we put 4500 miles on it, and we never heard one complaint from the 3 peanuts in the back gallery. They love it as much as we do.

PS: hubby has a bumper picked out that he wants as well as a winch. I want rims and bigger tires first.

AND we also got a lot more for a trade in than we owed on it, that has never happened to anyone I know who trades in a vehicle that they still owed the bank for LOL.
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Congrads--Rubis are like the "Gold" standard-thay are almost free of Depreciation in the first 2 years, some 3 years-

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Congrads--Rubis are like the "Gold" standard-thay are almost free of Depreciation in the first 2 years, some 3 years-

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Sorry to steal the thread here. Is that really true? I'm heavily considering a 2012 2 Door 6 speed for my driving in the Urban Jungle that is Manhattan. My current DD is a Lotus Elise, which I would like to make my weekend driver. I guess you can say I like purpose built vehicles. I would occasionally, at least I like to tell myself to make the purchase have even a modicum of rationality, take the jeep light off roading in upstate new york. Pj O'Rourke's piece on why the wrangler is a great DD conveys exactly how I feel about it. I know it's not a great car for us pavement drivers, and thats sort of exactly why I want it.

Anyway, and more to the point, I tend to keep my cars 1-2 years, so this resale value quotient is quite important to me.

I in no way need the Rubi, I was thinking likely the Sahara because I want the beige interior.

Is there really that large of a difference between the Sahara/sports and the Rubi's in terms of retention value? I know the Wrangler in general has the highest resale value of any American car (to my knowledge), but I was not aware of a difference in retention value between the various models.

Thanks for the help!
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From kbb.com:
2007 Rubicon 2 door: $24, 865
Sahara: $22, 400

2007 Rubicon unlimited: $26,000
Sahara: $24,700

2 door Rubi MSRP: $26,695 (Source: yahoo autos)

Rubi unlimited MSRP: $29, 240
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YUP, now I'm talking California--a 2008 Sahara JKU-low mileage sells for 26K


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Sorry to steal the thread here. Is that really true? I'm heavily considering a 2012 2 Door 6 speed for my driving in the Urban Jungle that is Manhattan. My current DD is a Lotus Elise, which I would like to make my weekend driver. I guess you can say I like purpose built vehicles. I would occasionally, at least I like to tell myself to make the purchase have even a modicum of rationality, take the jeep light off roading in upstate new york. Pj O'Rourke's piece on why the wrangler is a great DD conveys exactly how I feel about it. I know it's not a great car for us pavement drivers, and thats sort of exactly why I want it.

Anyway, and more to the point, I tend to keep my cars 1-2 years, so this resale value quotient is quite important to me.

I in no way need the Rubi, I was thinking likely the Sahara because I want the beige interior.

Is there really that large of a difference between the Sahara/sports and the Rubi's in terms of retention value? I know the Wrangler in general has the highest resale value of any American car (to my knowledge), but I was not aware of a difference in retention value between the various models.

Thanks for the help!
A 2008 JKU Rubi, low mileage STOCK, sells for 32/35K, mine has an offer of 34K and I can keep most my mods-(Detonator Yellow)

The low mileage-STOCK condition, 4dr (JKU) Rubi will MAKE money the first two years here in ca.

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When I bought my JK (sport) the first thing the guy that did the paper work said was "the first thing you did right was buy a Wrangler for there resale value" I did my whole deal online and paid just over 21000. Not that I plan on selling it but for what people pay for used Rubi's and Sahara's that (sport) could probably sell for about what I payed at this point. I havent seen any 11's for under 23000 around here on the internet and i'm sure with the 2012 it will just make that 2010 with the (less fancy interior) look better to a real Jeeper.
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However should I purchase a Sahara and do most if not all of these modifications and have a nicer rig that is more capable?
That is quite a list of mods! Just some food for thought- I'm pretty sure you can make the rubi just as nice as the Sahara. You can add leather, heated seats, power everything, nav, etc. The only thing (that I'm aware of) you can't get is the painted fenders and the 18 inch rims (but you are replacing those anyway). One thing to consider is the rubi will have the dana 44, lockers, e-disco, 4.10 gears driving off the lot...all under warranty.

You can build up a Sahara and make it more capable than a rubi, but it is going to end up costing you far more just to get it equivalent to the rubi.

I think you would be better off to "nice up" the rubi
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If you can afford the Rubicon, get it. Even if you don't need the capabilities and extras, it's always there just in case and better resale value in the long run.
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Thanks for the replies everyone. I'm utterly stunned that the Rubi's are worth so much. Is there a supply issue with them in CA? Why would I pay mid 30's used when I can walk to my dealer and get a brand new one at that price point?

Anyway I greatly appreciate the advice. I guess I could go for the Rubi, but I feel guilty enough/ like a poser getting a sport or sahara with little intention of taking it offroad. Somehow doing that in a Rubi seems even more rong...I mean the Pothole ridden roads I drive on must be almost as bad as some trails but still...
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if it's in your budget, get the Rubicon, this way you'll stop wondering if you should have gotten one or not. That is what I did. Now I am always looking for more and more excuses to use its features and capabilities. The old saying of "have it and not need it" almost goes away because you'll be having it and looking to use it. I agree with many of the posts above. Happy 2011 JKU Rubicon owner here. BTW i live in New York City, there is almost no way for me to justify having it but believe me, I do use it to at least a degree of its potential.
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Def a shortage of them in Canada.. I almost wish we had not traded our 2009 in and sold it instead. I looked and looked and found ONE 2009 JK4D Rubi in BC for sale for $30K (everything but the GPS, exactly like ours). The Sticker price was $39K on the lot for ours.

I knew a couple who were actually searching for a used one last fall and there were none in the dealer's database or anywhere else they looked.

We ended up getting almost $26 for it. 25K miles on it... we easily could have sold it privately for more, but I wanted the 2011 NOW.

The greatest thing was we went from 5.9% to 2.99% financing, wow what a difference THAT made in payments.
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Thanks for the replies everyone. I'm utterly stunned that the Rubi's are worth so much. Is there a supply issue with them in CA? Why would I pay mid 30's used when I can walk to my dealer and get a brand new one at that price point?

Anyway I greatly appreciate the advice. I guess I could go for the Rubi, but I feel guilty enough/ like a poser getting a sport or sahara with little intention of taking it offroad. Somehow doing that in a Rubi seems even more rong...I mean the Pothole ridden roads I drive on must be almost as bad as some trails but still...
Dude, its YOUR Jeep. Who cares what a bunch of Jeep nerds on the internet think about you buying it?

Say it out loud and see if it makes sense: Its a solid, capable off-road vehicle, right off the dealer lot. It holds its resale value exceptionally well. I like the way it looks, and I can afford to buy it. But I'm hesitating because there are people on the web that I will never meet, that might judge me for driving it on pavement.

If anything, your most vocal critics (if there really will be--I have yet to experience it) will be the jealous Jeepers that want a Rubi but can't get one for whatever reason.
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Well said LaTuFu!!!

I have a hard time knowing my husband WILL be taking mine out ASAP. I am even afraid of losing the new car smell in mine soon enough LOL. I just want to keep it new for as long as possible... at least 2 months

But this is what it was built for, and as long as he washes it before he gets home I am fine with it... only because it is hard for the kids to get in and out and not get dirty when there is mud all over it.

We bought it because it suits our needs, looks schmexy and we actually left the choice up to the KIDS because they are the ones who are stuffed in the back seat. One of them in the middle in a huge car seat (see my AVI, we were topless). We gave up our 7 pass. van for it and never regretted one moment of our decision.I have wanted a jeep since I learned how to drive (I am 46..) and when I was single I dreamed about owning one but could never afford it. Then 3 kids later I thought all was lost and I would have to wait another 20 years when they were grown and gone. When they came out with the JKU I KNEW that it was meant to be.

Hubby wanted it (Rubi vs Saraha for eg) for the off-road capabilities, I wanted it because of the interior comforts. We both wanted it for the value and the fun. WIN/WIN
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Well said all around, thanks for the advice everyone. I mean, the Rubicon makes more financial sense, therefore it's clearly the most logical decision I can make

Anyway sorry to hijack the thread there, and thanks for the information/advice.

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