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Old 11-06-2011, 03:55 PM   #1
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Putting The Brakes On

One of the next things I would like to do is a complete upgraded brake system. What is the best quality replacement system you can ad to a JK.
Calipers, are tri piston the one to get and what brand is known as the best quality. Brake pads, slotted or crossdrilled rotors, stainless replacement brake lines etc.

I am looking for as much information on the brake system and the highest quality components available for replacement. What do you guys think?

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Old 11-06-2011, 03:58 PM   #2
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Old 11-06-2011, 04:04 PM   #3
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Old 11-06-2011, 04:04 PM   #4
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I looked at there site. There is not much information, and I also could not find where they may have pads for a JK, did I miss something?
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Oh that sucks was eyeballing BM
for a bit for my Tj. Had no idea they do not havim for the JK
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Old 11-06-2011, 04:20 PM   #6
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for a bit for my Tj. Had no idea they do not havim for the JK
What was so special about them? Why were you looking at there shoes. Maybe there is another company that makes a shoe with the same materials. Performance, dust, long life?
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Old 11-06-2011, 04:42 PM   #7
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What was so special about them? Why were you looking at there shoes. Maybe there is another company that makes a shoe with the same materials. Performance, dust, long life?
Um... Spending my time over on the Tj forums they were highly recommended.
Jerry B the Tj guru I believe gave them high praise especially along with oversize tires. There is an actual break in you have to do with those pads for optimal performance. Not sure what would happen
if someone did not follow the instructions--never got that far.
Surprised they are not out for our Jk
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Old 11-07-2011, 08:16 AM   #8
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What is your goal in upgrading your brakes? I ask because of the dozen or so systems I have installed only one person other than myself felt like they got their money's worth from it. If the stock brakes are powerful enough to get the ABS going under normal conditions you won't see much in the form of additional braking power. The biggest gains are in repeatability under constant heavy use, which most of us will never do in a Jeep at normal Jeep speeds. If you are overheating your brakes on the street you should probably look at modifying your driving habits before spending the money on new brakes.

You can make a marginal improvement in feel with braided stainless hoses, which is something.

If you are just looking for bling, some time with a sander, some caliper paint, and getting some caliper decals made will do wonders.
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What is your goal in upgrading your brakes? I ask because of the dozen or so systems I have installed only one person other than myself felt like they got their money's worth from it. If the stock brakes are powerful enough to get the ABS going under normal conditions you won't see much in the form of additional braking power. The biggest gains are in repeatability under constant heavy use, which most of us will never do in a Jeep at normal Jeep speeds. If you are overheating your brakes on the street you should probably look at modifying your driving habits before spending the money on new brakes.

You can make a marginal improvement in feel with braided stainless hoses, which is something.

If you are just looking for bling, some time with a sander, some caliper paint, and getting some caliper decals made will do wonders.

The reason for the upgrade is function and durability. The braking systems on the stock jeeps are fine. After adding a couple thousand pounds in extra weight, lift kit and 35" tires I do notice the Jeep does not stop as well as it did stock. I am also planning on towing a trailer that will not be equiped with brakes.
I have re-geared so rolling on the road at higher speeds has not been a problem. I am planning on Lifting another couple of inches and also adding a supercharger. So with additional horsepower and weight I am looking to see if there are components out there to upgrade my brake system to accomidate the changes and also be able to withstand the constant wear and tear from off road abuse as well.

If you could, please tell me specifically what upgraded breaking system or components did you install on your JK that you did not notice the difference in either performance and or durability.

Stainless steel Lines are a given, but I was considering them strictly for durability. I am intrigued by your comment that you noticed and improved feel in performance. Did your break lines help improve your stopping distance? What brand did you use?

I know stickers, flame decals, and fancy caliper paint is attractive to some, but we dont need no stinkin badges here..
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Old 11-07-2011, 03:13 PM   #10
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I've been curious about brakes also. My brakes are still good, but I've added larger tires, about 250 lbs of steel front and rear bumpers, all new suspension with solid steel control arms, ultimate sports cage, steel rock sliders, and I'm planning on adding steel underbody skids. I know I'm not stopping as quick as I did when I was stock.

I've heard that Teraflex makes a good brake kit, but I'm concerned that I'd be stuck going to Teraflex everytime I needed new rotors and pads. I don't want to be held hostage by one company, worry about them going out of business, or worry that they no longer carrying the product. I was hoping to find something that would be more generic and something that I could find at most parts stores.
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Old 11-07-2011, 03:44 PM   #11
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I haven't installed any brake upgrades on my JK or any other, I am speaking from experience installing them on a variety of other cars, trucks and SUVs. If you can drive down the road on dry pavement and get the ABS to come on you have nothing to gain from better brakes because the tires will still be the limiting factor. What you will gain is less sensitivity to high temperatures. When I put the Wilwoods on my truck with stock tires I gained nothing in lap times, but I could suddenly run a lot of laps before the brakes went away instead of one or two. After I put the roadrace tires on the brakes would suddenly suck the eyeballs out of your head. I was able to drive it in about 200 feet farther before braking and still have plenty of room. The truck weights 5055 lbs with me in it and a full tank of gas, so it's in the same ballpark as a loaded JK.

When I had stainless lines on my stock brakes the pedal was instantly a little (not a lot) more firm and had much improved feel. There is a much better connection between your foot and the road. It's like the different between having a rubber ball between your foot and the pedal and just pushing on the pedal. As far as performance, there was no noticable increase. They just felt better. If you are looking for maximum performance braking they will help you find the point just before the ABS kicks in and maintain it which will give you slightly better braking performance than just anchoring your foot to the floor and letting the ABS do the work.

If you want the brakes to last longer without fading you can do a lot without making a huge investment. If you can find a directionally vaned rotor for the JK that will help a lot. Another thing I have had good luck with in cryogenically treating rotors. This gives them more resistance to warping and helps them dissipate heat better. Depending on the pad used I have noticed slight improvements in braking power by doing this.

Probably the simplest thing to do is experiment with different pad types. Raybestos usually has several different levels of pad; I think their high performance ones are Super Stop and Brute Stop. They stop better, but they dust more. Other manufacturers are similar.

If you really want an upgrade, Brembo offers a 14" kit but IIRC the cost is about $3700 per axle. Most of their kits also don't have dust boots on the calipers which is a bad idea for wheeling.

Another overlooked item is fluid. A good performance brake fluid will help with heat tolerance and feel. I run Motul RBF 600 in my truck, but won't suggest it for wheeling or daily driver duty because it sucks up moisture like a sponge. Wilwood makes a decent fluid, as do Castrol and BG. If I had to pick from the three for a daily driver/wheeler I could look for BG. Another popular fluid is ATE Super Blue, but I have not used it personally and don't know if it would be suitable for a daily driver or not.
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I've been curious about brakes also. My brakes are still good, but I've added larger tires, about 250 lbs of steel front and rear bumpers, all new suspension with solid steel control arms, ultimate sports cage, steel rock sliders, and I'm planning on adding steel underbody skids. I know I'm not stopping as quick as I did when I was stock.

I've heard that Teraflex makes a good brake kit, but I'm concerned that I'd be stuck going to Teraflex everytime I needed new rotors and pads. I don't want to be held hostage by one company, worry about them going out of business, or worry that they no longer carrying the product. I was hoping to find something that would be more generic and something that I could find at most parts stores.
I just looked at the kit on their website. At first I thought the calipers were the the C4 or C5 Vette parts that are very common on big brake kits for everything. On closer inspection, they look a lot more like the calipers used on teh 97-03 F-150. Very few of these kits tie you to one manufacturer for parts. The calipers in particular almost always use an off the shelf pad made for something, you just have to figure out what it is.

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