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Old 06-07-2012, 05:37 PM   #1
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Questions about ordering a Jeep

Hi there,

I am new to the forum, and hope to soon be new to Jeep (although I owned a '94 Grand Cherokee a long time ago, which I loved).

I am considering ordering a 2013 JKU. I have some questions about ordering these cars:

1. What is the point of the "Customer Preferred Order Selection Packages?" I was looking at a 2012 with package 24S, and I couldn't figure out how it wasn't a huge rip-off. It supposedly included the auto transmission, but then the auto trans price was included in the total msrp, along with the 24S price. It seems to include the power convenience group, plus a couple of other upscale options, but added together it's still far more expensive than just selecting the options individually. Am I missing something?

More specifically: The 24S package for a 2012 JKU includes the following. The number beside each individual feature represents its MSRP if ordered alone. (These numbers are coming from Costco Auto):

3.6L V6 Engine (Included in base- $0)
5 Speed Auto ($1,125)
17" Aluminum Wheels ($0?)
Chrome/Leather shifter, Tints, Leather-wrapped wheel (Can't order these alone, but I don't want them anyway- $0)
75R16 OWL tires- ($0?)
Power Windows/Locks/Heated Mirrors/Keyless ($695)

Total for 24S package: $2245 (PLUS you have to pay for the tranny again for some reason!)
Total for items alone: $1820. WTF?

2. Along the same lines, is there anything stopping me from ordering ONLY the following options on a 2013 JKU Sport S:
-Auto Trans
-Hard Top
-Power Convenience Group?
Can I do that without having any other added features?

I'm asking because it seems like if I can actually select which specific features I want to pay for, and decline to select those that I don't want, it would be significantly cheaper for me to order a 2013 (especially with Tread Lightly + $1500 in other incentives) than to buy any 2012 I can find near me. Is this possible?

3. This one is for the auto sales representatives out there: Would dealerships rather sell me a new car they already have on the lot than have me order a car from them? My thinking is that if it's true that I might be better off ordering a 2013, perhaps I could use that fact as leverage to get a dealer to come down in price on a 2012. This obviously only works if they'd rather sell from their inventory than order a car...

Thanks!

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I came to a similar conclusion yesterday (Regarding the 4 door Sport vs the 4 door Sport S....it is different for the 2-doors).

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Sport JKU with power group vs Sport S

The Sport S will have:
Leather steering wheel and shift knob
17 inch ally wheels vs the 16 inch steelies
Factory Deep window tint.

The difference is price is about $1400 (US). So it is up to you on how you want to handle the difference.

However, the Sport S package opens up more options to order. A big one (for me) is side-air bags. Those are not available on the pure Sport. Neither are factory dual tops. Everything else is small stuff that can be added later...and cheaper (like side-steps).

Good Luck!

The auto tranny is not included.

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I came to a similar conclusion yesterday (Regarding the 4 door Sport vs the 4 door Sport S....it is different for the 2-doors).

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Sport JKU with power group vs Sport S

The Sport S will have:
Leather steering wheel and shift knob
17 inch ally wheels vs the 16 inch steelies
Factory Deep window tint.

The difference is price is about $1400 (US). So it is up to you on how you want to handle the difference.

However, the Sport S package opens up more options to order. A big one (for me) is side-air bags. Those are not available on the pure Sport. Neither are factory dual tops. Everything else is small stuff that can be added later...and cheaper (like side-steps).

Good Luck!

The auto tranny is not included.

Thanks! You mean the tranny's not included in the 24S Quick Order?

Just wanted to add: I just crunched some numbers around and I'm excited because I think I can order a 2013 wrangler, configured how I want it, for $2,400 less than the lowest price quote I could get on a 2012!
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Please, please, please- if you're ordering it- get the 3.73 or 4.10 gears for your JKU. Pick it up with the tow package option or just the $50 option. There are a ton of threads regarding this so I won't go into detail. Short: The standard gear ratio is 3.21- okay for a daily driver. But you'll get more pep with 3.73 and if you modify later (bigger tires for instance) you'll want 3.73s minimum. The 3.73 gears should automatically come with the 24S package! I bought my JK with 3.21 gears and learned the hard way. There are many people with 3.21s that are happy- just an FYI.

Also- price your Jeep up on Jeep's site first. The Costco option packages don't always match Jeep's option packages- at least on a 2 door. I found that when I was looking. Still price it on Costco to get your Costco price- but rely on Jeeps descriptions of what comes in the package.

Per your last question- you will get a better price for what's sitting on the lot. Typically. They're already sitting on it- everyday costs a dealer more money. Since my Jeep had the kiss of death combo- no power and a soft top- I picked it up for $4600 off sticker. Much cheaper than Costco. But if want it how you want it....
Showing my JK/girl side here- I couldn't have cared less about the steering wheel/chrome that came with the 24S, but I have to admit it looks good on a silver JK.
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Please, please, please- if you're ordering it- get the 3.73 or 4.10 gears for your JKU. Pick it up with the tow package option or just the $50 option. There are a ton of threads regarding this so I won't go into detail. Short: The standard gear ratio is 3.21- okay for a daily driver. But you'll get more pep with 3.73 and if you modify later (bigger tires for instance) you'll want 3.73s minimum. The 3.73 gears should automatically come with the 24S package! I bought my JK with 3.21 gears and learned the hard way. There are many people with 3.21s that are happy- just an FYI.

Also- price your Jeep up on Jeep's site first. The Costco option packages don't always match Jeep's option packages- at least on a 2 door. I found that when I was looking. Still price it on Costco to get your Costco price- but rely on Jeeps descriptions of what comes in the package.

Per your last question- you will get a better price for what's sitting on the lot. Typically. They're already sitting on it- everyday costs a dealer more money. Since my Jeep had the kiss of death combo- no power and a soft top- I picked it up for $4600 off sticker. Much cheaper than Costco. But if want it how you want it....
Showing my JK/girl side here- I couldn't have cared less about the steering wheel/chrome that came with the 24S, but I have to admit it looks good on a silver JK.
Thanks! You guys have been super helpful so far, especially considering I just posted this a couple of hours ago! I added the cost of a 3.73 to my calculations- sounds like the $95 ($85 invoice) is worth it!
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I came to a similar conclusion yesterday (Regarding the 4 door Sport vs the 4 door Sport S....it is different for the 2-doors).

OK...
Sport JKU with power group vs Sport S

The Sport S will have:
Leather steering wheel and shift knob
17 inch ally wheels vs the 16 inch steelies
Factory Deep window tint.

The difference is price is about $1400 (US). So it is up to you on how you want to handle the difference.

However, the Sport S package opens up more options to order. A big one (for me) is side-air bags. Those are not available on the pure Sport. Neither are factory dual tops. Everything else is small stuff that can be added later...and cheaper (like side-steps).

Good Luck!

The auto tranny is not included.
Sport S also includes Air
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Sport S also includes Air
But doesn't the base sport also have air in the 4-door? (I just asked about this in another thread, so apologies if this counts as double-posting)
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Tow package gives you heavier springs and the 3.73. I recommend getting the limited slip rear diff as well. The bluetooth connect is a really nice feature, glad I got that too. Power windows and locks are a must on the four door if you are hauling passengers in the back regularly.
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Tow package gives you heavier springs and the 3.73. I recommend getting the limited slip rear diff as well. The bluetooth connect is a really nice feature, glad I got that too. Power windows and locks are a must on the four door if you are hauling passengers in the back regularly.
Thanks for the tip about the heavier springs... might be worth the extra dough for the tow package. I'm sure the limited slip rear diff and bluetooth are really nice, but the buck has to stop somewhere for me!

I'm thinking:
-Auto tranny
-Hard top
-Power Convenience
-3.73 Rear Axle (or maybe the tow group if I put in some overtime in the next month...)

I'd love to spring for the better stereo, connectivity group, limited slip, side steps, slush mats, etc, but I can't afford it all...
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Sport S also includes Air
This where I found you have to be really study the difference between the models.

On the 2-door, the Sport S package includes AC.
On the 4-door, AC is already standard on the entry level sport.

On the flip side, on the 2-door, the Sport S package does not include power windows, locks, ect. But on the 4-door, the Sport S package DOES include those items. However, the big difference is that you can add the power package to the base 4-door Sport....you can't do that with the 2-door.
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As far as the tow packages go....it is a (good) assumption that the tow packages give you heavier springs....but they honestly seemed to be pulled at random.
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This where I found you have to be really study the difference between the models.

On the 2-door, the Sport S package includes AC.
On the 4-door, AC is already standard on the entry level sport.

On the flip side, on the 2-door, the Sport S package does not include power windows, locks, ect. But on the 4-door, the Sport S package DOES include those items. However, the big difference is that you can add the power package to the base 4-door Sport....you can't do that with the 2-door.
Any idea whether this remains the case for 2013?
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I tried to order a 13 today for a customer..no pricing as of yet so I can't answer completely
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I tried to order a 13 today for a customer..no pricing as of yet so I can't answer completely
Interesting. Do they open up ordering for different dealers at different times? I ask because some folks on the forum have successfully ordered '13s.
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orders are open...I have no pricing associated w/ anything as of this AM
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Gotcha. Someone posted pricing for options (including invoice!) on the 2013 thread, but I guess it isn't official yet.
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24s denotes an S package Auto trans.
23s denotes an S package Manual trans.
If the site you use is adding it twice it's wrong. Build it on jeep.com
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Hmmm, guess I never really paid attention to exactly what all was in the S package and what you could order separately when I got my 2012 lol. Based on some quick looking I'd guess (from previous experience with an insurance claim on a different vehicle) that probably 1/2 the cost of the S package is the 5 alloy wheels & tires. Some of it is the leather wrapping/chrome, some is the tint on the windows (not sure how much that really costs) and the other $700 is the power stuff.
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I hear you on the money factor. I knew I wanted to play with my JK so I deliberately kept my options to a minimum. Plus its a Jeep so I didn't really want the Bluetooth etc. I will say that after the fact I realized- most of the option pricing really isn't that bad. A hard top, for instance, will run you $1500 + after-market, while the option is around $800 I think. The side steps, while indeed plastic, will run about $300 aftermarket-without labor. You can get rock rails for that, but if you just want steps the price is not bad. The most ridiculous options are the air (really, in 2012 air is an option?) and the automatic tranny.
You're looking at a 4 door so it doesn't really apply- but on the 2 door with the AC included in the 24S package- the price again isn't bad. I am a little fuzzy on the numbers, but you wind up at about $1200 for the wheels and tires. Granted they are "stock" wheels- but again aftermarkets will cost you at least that much. And that's assuming you can keep to the same tire size and resist the urge to "upgrade". (Good luck with that!).
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I hear you on the money factor. I knew I wanted to play with my JK so I deliberately kept my options to a minimum. Plus its a Jeep so I didn't really want the Bluetooth etc. I will say that after the fact I realized- most of the option pricing really isn't that bad. A hard top, for instance, will run you $1500 + after-market, while the option is around $800 I think. The side steps, while indeed plastic, will run about $300 aftermarket-without labor. You can get rock rails for that, but if you just want steps the price is not bad. The most ridiculous options are the air (really, in 2012 air is an option?) and the automatic tranny.
You're looking at a 4 door so it doesn't really apply- but on the 2 door with the AC included in the 24S package- the price again isn't bad. I am a little fuzzy on the numbers, but you wind up at about $1200 for the wheels and tires. Granted they are "stock" wheels- but again aftermarkets will cost you at least that much. And that's assuming you can keep to the same tire size and resist the urge to "upgrade". (Good luck with that!).
Yeah, the 24S package isn't for me, mostly because I don't care about the wheels and tires- planning to order a second set of rims and tires anyway (I like to have two full sets- one for "dry" summer/fall and one for "wet" winter/spring). So the base stock set will be fine for my dry set- never been much of a flashy wheel guy anyway. Maybe I'll plasti dip them if I'm feeling squirrelly.
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Granted they are "stock" wheels- but again aftermarkets will cost you at least that much. (Good luck with that!).
They charge you an arm & 2 legs for the stock alloy. The insurance thing I mentioned was back in 2004. I'd just had aftermarket wheels/tires put on my Saturn and had the factory alloy in a storage unit. The tires/wheels (with locking lugs) were removed from the vehicle while it was in my driveway. The insurance dude wrote it as if the stock wheels had been stolen since the new ones were 5 days old and I hadn't added them to the policy yet. The stock wheels, 16" alloy in 2004, priced at over $200 a piece.

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