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Old 08-06-2011, 11:39 AM   #1
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Questions re: AEV lifts

I am new to the site, but not new to Jeeps, nor ORVs. I am potentially going to purchase a late model JKU Rubicon, and I am looking at the options on AEV's lifts. I see that they have a 3.5" and a 4.5" lift, in ST and SC trim. In the Lift Reviews Sticky I have seen one on the 4.5" Premium kit. I will likely be going with a 3.5" with 35s with a set of metalcloak removable highlines in the near future to accomodate something in the 37-40" range. My questions are as follows:

What is the difference in the ST and SC trims, and is it the same as the premium? Is it the high steer kit? If so, what is included?

Do I need an adjustable track bar for more confident tracking on the road as I will not be trailering this to the trails?

If I go up to a 4.5" lift, do I need to change out both driveshafts?

What are the potential shortcomings of the aforementioned kits, in quality, serviceability, reliability, and driveability (and any other ability that you care to address)?

I apologize for the length of the post, but as my name indicates...

Thanks in advance for your patience, knowledge and time.

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I used to take our 07 soft top through a brush pounding auto car wash and never had any trouble. It was so much easier than hand washing.

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Please, please...not all at once.
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I am new to the site, but not new to Jeeps, nor ORVs. I am potentially going to purchase a late model JKU Rubicon, and I am looking at the options on AEV's lifts. I see that they have a 3.5" and a 4.5" lift, in ST and SC trim. In the Lift Reviews Sticky I have seen one on the 4.5" Premium kit. I will likely be going with a 3.5" with 35s with a set of metalcloak removable highlines in the near future to accomodate something in the 37-40" range. My questions are as follows:

What is the difference in the ST and SC trims, and is it the same as the premium? Is it the high steer kit? If so, what is included?

Do I need an adjustable track bar for more confident tracking on the road as I will not be trailering this to the trails?

If I go up to a 4.5" lift, do I need to change out both driveshafts?

What are the potential shortcomings of the aforementioned kits, in quality, serviceability, reliability, and driveability (and any other ability that you care to address)?

I apologize for the length of the post, but as my name indicates...

Thanks in advance for your patience, knowledge and time.
Do some web searches - There are some great reviews out there. I'm putting on the 3.5" and I'll run 35s around town and overland/medium trails and 37s on tougher trails. You'll probably need to swap at least the front driveshaft, though the jury is still out a bit for the 2012.

As for what's included, this is from AEVs site:
  • Frequency-Tuned™, AEV progressive-rate front and rear coil springs.
  • Proprietary tuned AEV/Bilstein 5100 mono-tube shocks.
  • Geometry-Corrected™ rear track-bar tower and track bar.
  • New heavy-duty steering damper.
  • Small Parts: bump stop spacers, brake line drop brackets, alignment cam bolts, and more.
  • DualSport SC Systems include Geometry-Corrected™ “high-steer” kit: Tie-Rod 'flip' via tapered insert and new OEM-grade draglink., Brackets to relocate the track bar, stabilizer end links, & damper.
  • DualSport SC Systems include AEV Jack Base - A must for any lifted JK.
  • DualSport SC Systems include AEV ProCal for a correct Speedometer, Odometer, and ESP system.
  • Systems available for 3.5-inch & 4.5-inch heights to fit 35-37 inch tires.

Hopefully, I'll be able to answer with first hand experience in the next couple of weeks if the new rig actually arrives next Thu like it's slated to!

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You definately want the high steer kit. Makes a huge difference. I know because I ran mine without, then with. I found the 3.5" is plenty for 35's
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You definately want the high steer kit. Makes a huge difference. I know because I ran mine without, then with. I found the 3.5" is plenty for 35's
Thanks for the info. It's not very clear on AEV's website. I guess I will probably go with the 3.5" kit with the high steer option and 35s until I get the high line fenders. It seems that if I can fit 37s on a 3.5" kit and the high lines (which improve the looks substantially IMHO) and save the expense of a new driveshaft, it seems like the best option. After all, it seems as though I'll need to set some money aside for some 5.38s!
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Thanks for the info. It's not very clear on AEV's website. I guess I will probably go with the 3.5" kit with the high steer option and 35s until I get the high line fenders. It seems that if I can fit 37s on a 3.5" kit and the high lines (which improve the looks substantially IMHO) and save the expense of a new driveshaft, it seems like the best option. After all, it seems as though I'll need to set some money aside for some 5.38s!
You're still going to end up having to change out the front driveshaft with the 3.5" if it's anything like the 11's. At full flex, there's some rubbing and boot tearing that occurs. AEV offers a narrower DS that helps correct the issue.

I don't know if anyone really knows for the 2012s yet.

And, yes, you definitely want the SC kit.

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Ok...then for the modest difference in price I guess I'll go with the 4.5" kit and 37s if I have to replace the front driveshaft either way. Maybe I'll wait and do the high lines and 40s with the 4.5" kit. BTW what does the ds rub?
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I have the AEV 3.5" premium. Drives like stock. Highly recommended. I run 35" KM2s with 5.13 gears. I was told by AEV that I didnt need to replace my front shaft, first time I flexed it out the slip yoke on the front shaft hit the little spot on the oil pan that sticks out and tore it. You will need to replace your front shaft with the 3.5" and likely your rear as well if you do the 4.5."

I got a Tom Woods front shaft and havent had a single issue since. Everything other than the front shaft is included in the kit.
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I have the AEV 3.5" premium. Drives like stock. Highly recommended. I run 35" KM2s with 5.13 gears. I was told by AEV that I didnt need to replace my front shaft, first time I flexed it out the slip yoke on the front shaft hit the little spot on the oil pan that sticks out and tore it. You will need to replace your front shaft with the 3.5" and likely your rear as well if you do the 4.5."

I got a Tom Woods front shaft and havent had a single issue since. Everything other than the front shaft is included in the kit.

^^^^ what he said about "where" it rubs. And, I second Tom Woods ... I've had his driveshafts on several of my rigs and they're well made.

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Good to know. How much did the driveshaft from Tom Woods run you? And I may sound like a simpleton, but is there an aftermarket pan that would yield enough clearance? It just seems like the parsimonious choice.
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Good to know. How much did the driveshaft from Tom Woods run you? And I may sound like a simpleton, but is there an aftermarket pan that would yield enough clearance? It just seems like the parsimonious choice.
It depends on your u-joint. Seems like my last was around $450 for 1310 series.

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I spoke with AEV about a 3.5 kit for a 12
They told me they only make the SC kit now.
They change the front DS when they do the install, said it rubbed

It didn't make sense to me that with the new powertrain it would have the same problem

I'll email them and ask again
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I spoke with AEV about a 3.5 kit for a 12
They told me they only make the SC kit now.
They change the front DS when they do the install, said it rubbed

It didn't make sense to me that with the new powertrain it would have the same problem

I'll email them and ask again
This is the part number they gave me for the 12
Manufacturer Part No: NTH02341AA
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I spoke with AEV about a 3.5 kit for a 12
They told me they only make the SC kit now.
They change the front DS when they do the install, said it rubbed

It didn't make sense to me that with the new powertrain it would have the same problem

I'll email them and ask again
Yeah - that's the question that I alluded to earlier ... Jury is still out on the 12s, it seems. If all goes as planned, though, I'll be answering that question first hand in the next 2-3 weeks!

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I went to the dealer today and crawled under a 2012 JKU with a 4" lift and 35" tires
The front driveline comes nowhere close to the transmission or crossmembers

I ordered a AEV 3.5 premium lift today
And was told not to open the programmer until AEV released the fix for the 2012
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I went to the dealer today and crawled under a 2012 JKU with a 4" lift and 35" tires
The front driveline comes nowhere close to the transmission or crossmembers

I ordered a AEV 3.5 premium lift today
And was told not to open the programmer until AEV released the fix for the 2012
Manual or Auto?

I think the problem is under compression/extension. Did you have a chance to check it under these circumstances?
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Manual or Auto?

I think the problem is under compression/extension. Did you have a chance to check it under these circumstances?
This was an Auto, it had clearance both up and down, when I install my lift I’ll check it more closely
maybe I can get a pic today
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This was an Auto, it had clearance both up and down, when I install my lift I’ll check it more closely
maybe I can get a pic today

Update: the front DS does hit the exhaust crossover pipe/heatsheild on full droop even with a narrowed shaft. There's no good solution that I've seen at this point, though AEV reportedly will have a fix in a couple of weeks.

I'll try to get some pics of mine...

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Update: the front DS does hit the exhaust crossover pipe/heatsheild on full droop even with a narrowed shaft. There's no good solution that I've seen at this point, though AEV reportedly will have a fix in a couple of weeks.

I'll try to get some pics of mine...

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Update: the front DS does hit the exhaust crossover pipe/heatsheild on full droop even with a narrowed shaft. There's no good solution that I've seen at this point, though AEV reportedly will have a fix in a couple of weeks.

I'll try to get some pics of mine...

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I am waiting to hear the fix on this myself before buying my lift.
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Update: the front DS does hit the exhaust crossover pipe/heatsheild on full droop even with a narrowed shaft. There's no good solution that I've seen at this point, though AEV reportedly will have a fix in a couple of weeks.

I'll try to get some pics of mine...

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Pics of the crossover pipe here: http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/201...id-110032.html

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Starting my AEV install tomorrow night
Any word on the driveline issue fix??
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drive line issues still aren't fixed, exhaust issues have 2 fixes the TF extensions and the AFE crossover pipe. Ordered my kit today to go on my 2012 red JKUR
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Comac90;1458146]Do some web searches - There are some great reviews out there. I'm putting on the 3.5" and I'll run 35s around town and overland/medium trails and 37s on tougher trails. You'll probably need to swap at least the front driveshaft, though the jury is still out a bit for the 2012.

As for what's included, this is from AEVs site:
  • Frequency-Tuned™, AEV progressive-rate front and rear coil springs.
  • Proprietary tuned AEV/Bilstein 5100 mono-tube shocks.
  • Geometry-Corrected™ rear track-bar tower and track bar.
  • New heavy-duty steering damper.
  • Small Parts: bump stop spacers, brake line drop brackets, alignment cam bolts, and more.
  • DualSport SC Systems include Geometry-Corrected™ “high-steer” kit: Tie-Rod 'flip' via tapered insert and new OEM-grade draglink., Brackets to relocate the track bar, stabilizer end links, & damper.
  • DualSport SC Systems include AEV Jack Base - A must for any lifted JK.
  • DualSport SC Systems include AEV ProCal for a correct Speedometer, Odometer, and ESP system.
  • Systems available for 3.5-inch & 4.5-inch heights to fit 35-37 inch tires.
Hopefully, I'll be able to answer with first hand experience in the next couple of weeks if the new rig actually arrives next Thu like it's slated to!

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The more I read about tires, wheels, lifts, etc., the more confused I become
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Comac90;1458146]Do some web searches - There are some great reviews out there. I'm putting on the 3.5" and I'll run 35s around town and overland/medium trails and 37s on tougher trails. You'll probably need to swap at least the front driveshaft, though the jury is still out a bit for the 2012.

As for what's included, this is from AEVs site:
  • Frequency-Tuned™, AEV progressive-rate front and rear coil springs.
  • Proprietary tuned AEV/Bilstein 5100 mono-tube shocks.
  • Geometry-Corrected™ rear track-bar tower and track bar.
  • New heavy-duty steering damper.
  • Small Parts: bump stop spacers, brake line drop brackets, alignment cam bolts, and more.
  • DualSport SC Systems include Geometry-Corrected™ “high-steer” kit: Tie-Rod 'flip' via tapered insert and new OEM-grade draglink., Brackets to relocate the track bar, stabilizer end links, & damper.
  • DualSport SC Systems include AEV Jack Base - A must for any lifted JK.
  • DualSport SC Systems include AEV ProCal for a correct Speedometer, Odometer, and ESP system.
  • Systems available for 3.5-inch & 4.5-inch heights to fit 35-37 inch tires.
Hopefully, I'll be able to answer with first hand experience in the next couple of weeks if the new rig actually arrives next Thu like it's slated to!

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Comac90;1458146]Do some web searches - There are some great reviews out there. I'm putting on the 3.5" and I'll run 35s around town and overland/medium trails and 37s on tougher trails. You'll probably need to swap at least the front driveshaft, though the jury is still out a bit for the 2012.

As for what's included, this is from AEVs site:
  • Frequency-Tuned™, AEV progressive-rate front and rear coil springs.
  • Proprietary tuned AEV/Bilstein 5100 mono-tube shocks.
  • Geometry-Corrected™ rear track-bar tower and track bar.
  • New heavy-duty steering damper.
  • Small Parts: bump stop spacers, brake line drop brackets, alignment cam bolts, and more.
  • DualSport SC Systems include Geometry-Corrected™ “high-steer” kit: Tie-Rod 'flip' via tapered insert and new OEM-grade draglink., Brackets to relocate the track bar, stabilizer end links, & damper.
  • DualSport SC Systems include AEV Jack Base - A must for any lifted JK.
  • DualSport SC Systems include AEV ProCal for a correct Speedometer, Odometer, and ESP system.
  • Systems available for 3.5-inch & 4.5-inch heights to fit 35-37 inch tires.
Hopefully, I'll be able to answer with first hand experience in the next couple of weeks if the new rig actually arrives next Thu like it's slated to!
Fan Boy ? LOL

2 Known issues are crossover pipe and front drive shaft. I guess I forgot to mention this is my 2nd AEV 3.5" lift, 1st was on my 2010 JKU Rubicon with 35 KM2s ran it for about 1.5 years. Better then stock steering and Rock crawling at Rausch Creek PA, Crozet,VA and Big Dogs/cove, Winchester VA. Looking them up on youtube for videos. 3 of the best places on east coast.

This is what I trade for my 2012, kept alot of the parts


and this it what is could do

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