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Old 01-03-2013, 07:01 PM   #301
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Wheels have nothing to do with sag.
I was actually talking about the coil rates. The last digit of my coils in front are 16, and i thought maybe 19 would be better.

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My Sahara barely sagged at all with just the bumper, maybe an 1/8th of an inch. Add the 100 lb. winch though and it dropped to a total of a 1/4"
Wow really? Do you by any chance know your coil rate in the front?

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I was actually talking about the coil rates. The last digit of my coils in front are 16, and i thought maybe 19 would be better.
Oh, sorry. While the sag will be less, it will still sag. Add that to the OEM rake, and your Jeep will look...well...less than optimal. Don't waste your time with OEM springs. Buy the Teraflex performance leveling kit and you'll be golden. If you are planning on adding a winch but NOT a rear bumper, add a set of 1/4" spacers as well in the front. If you ARE planning on a winch and a rear bumper, the rear bumper will equalize the sag from the winch so no spacer needed.
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Old 01-03-2013, 07:11 PM   #304
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My Sahara barely sagged at all with just the bumper, maybe an 1/8th of an inch. Add the 100 lb. winch though and it dropped to a total of a 1/4"
I find this very hard to believe. It seems to me you didn't measure properly but there is NO WAY you got only 1/4" of sag with 225lbs of weight on the front end on OEM springs...regardless of rate.
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Old 01-03-2013, 08:18 PM   #305
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Have winch and rampage bumper on front: front measures 35 1/2" and rear measures 36" floor to fender edge. these item have been on the jeep about 3 weeks now. front center of wheel to fender 19 1/2"
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Old 01-04-2013, 12:00 AM   #306
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Oh, sorry. While the sag will be less, it will still sag. Add that to the OEM rake, and your Jeep will look...well...less than optimal. Don't waste your time with OEM springs. Buy the Teraflex performance leveling kit and you'll be golden. If you are planning on adding a winch but NOT a rear bumper, add a set of 1/4" spacers as well in the front. If you ARE planning on a winch and a rear bumper, the rear bumper will equalize the sag from the winch so no spacer needed.
This makes sense. I actually made several threads about this but im still iffy. So just to clear it up, not a smart idea to put the rampage on stock coils? How about Adding spacers just to hold off until i get the lift? im just torn between the leveling kit and the 2.5" kit. I guess thats for me to decide later.
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This makes sense. I actually made several threads about this but im still iffy. So just to clear it up, not a smart idea to put the rampage on stock coils? How about Adding spacers just to hold off until i get the lift? im just torn between the leveling kit and the 2.5" kit. I guess thats for me to decide later.
You can use spacers temporarily but you'll be doing the labor twice.
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This makes sense. I actually made several threads about this but im still iffy. So just to clear it up, not a smart idea to put the rampage on stock coils? How about Adding spacers just to hold off until i get the lift? im just torn between the leveling kit and the 2.5" kit. I guess thats for me to decide later.
I had the same questions/concerns and am going with a Teraflex Leveling Kit. For a 130 dollars, can't beat the price. Looks like an easy install to get about 2", should maintain stock ride quality and should offset any minor height loss caused by the new bumpers.
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I had the same questions/concerns and am going with a Teraflex Leveling Kit. For a 130 dollars, can't beat the price. Looks like an easy install to get about 2", should maintain stock ride quality and should offset any minor height loss caused by the new bumpers.
I said teraflex PERFORMANCE leveling kit...aka new coils. I am not a believer in spacer leveling kits, especially 2" long ones. They are a ticking time bomb, not to mention, are a dangerous and bandaid solution. On my own vehicle, I'd never do it. If you don't want the performance kit, get a real lift, but don't use spacers.
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I find this very hard to believe. It seems to me you didn't measure properly but there is NO WAY you got only 1/4" of sag with 225lbs of weight on the front end on OEM springs...regardless of rate.
I measured when I first installed everything. Just went out and measured my co-worker's stock Sahara and it measured 35" from the center of the tire to the bottom of the fender, mine measured 34 1/2" at the same spot, so it looks like it only settled a half inch.
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The more i think about it, the more it makes sense to do the leveling kit or lift with this bumper. Yeah, its a extra 400$ too add with the already 550$+ bumper but its needed. The rake is outragous as is, can you imagine it with a 85lb bumper? Nasty. I think the performance leveling kit is the way to go for me. Better stance, more coil length and stiffness, and a LITTLE more articulation. To those of you with stock suspension and the bumper, do you have before and after pics?
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The more i think about it, the more it makes sense to do the leveling kit or lift with this bumper. Yeah, its a extra 400$ too add with the already 550$+ bumper but its needed. The rake is outragous as is, can you imagine it with a 85lb bumper? Nasty. I think the performance leveling kit is the way to go for me. Better stance, more coil length and stiffness, and a LITTLE more articulation. To those of you with stock suspension and the bumper, do you have before and after pics?
I have the TeraFlex Leveling kit on mine and it works like a charm. Was easy to install and you don't have to worry about brake-lines, exhaust, etc. I highly recommend it.
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Im very happy with my teraflex performance leveling kit. However, read what I wrote a few posts back. If you get a teraflex leveling kit, plan ahead.

1) If you are planning on a winch but NO rear bumper, install 1/4" spacers in ADDITION to the leveling kit IN THE FRONT to compensate for the added weight of the winch.

2) If you are planning on a winch AND a rear bumper, don't add spacers. The rear bumper will even out the sag.

3) If you are NOT planning on a winch but ARE planning on a rear bumper, add 1/4" spacers in the rear.
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Not many of us- but to the semi-gloss bumper folks- Rampage recommends Krylon semi-gloss for touch-up but I can't find it anywhere (except Amazon- expensive). I finally bought Rustoleum semi-gloss instead- #7798. Looks great. I had to hit a corner and a bare metal spot and they both touched up perfect.
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Caught in another problem... I have in front of me an awsome deal for a textured black rampage bumper that looks like will only be going on for 2 months tops. The problem is that if i grab the bumper in a month (when i have the money), i wont be able to get the leveling kit for another 2 months after that. My first plan was to level it, then get bumper. But now it seems i may have to do the oppisite.
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Is it recommend to get some type of suspension or leveling kit with these bumpers? Planning on getting both bumpers textured finish soon and for the future getting a lift kit and wheels.
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Caught in another problem... I have in front of me an awsome deal for a textured black rampage bumper that looks like will only be going on for 2 months tops. The problem is that if i grab the bumper in a month (when i have the money), i wont be able to get the leveling kit for another 2 months after that. My first plan was to level it, then get bumper. But now it seems i may have to do the oppisite.
That's not all bad. By doing the bumper first you'll know how much it affects your rake before you do the leveling kit.
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That's not all bad. By doing the bumper first you'll know how much it affects your rake before you do the leveling kit.
x2, I'm following some advice a friend gave me. He works in a shop with truck suspensions all the time. Buy all of your heavy upgrades BEFORE you do the lift (bumpers, winch, armor, side steps/sliders). That way you won't be doing a second lift after everything weighs down the first and you don't like how much it sank.
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Is it recommend to get some type of suspension or leveling kit with these bumpers? Planning on getting both bumpers textured finish soon and for the future getting a lift kit and wheels.
Plenty of people here haven't had to level anything with the addition of a bumper- Rampage or other. Depends on your Jeep. Now add a winch and the winch plate- thats a hefty chunk.
Front and rear bumper will probably level each other out.
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Caught in another problem... I have in front of me an awsome deal for a textured black rampage bumper that looks like will only be going on for 2 months tops. The problem is that if i grab the bumper in a month (when i have the money), i wont be able to get the leveling kit for another 2 months after that. My first plan was to level it, then get bumper. But now it seems i may have to do the oppisite.
Get the bumper you'll love it. No need to lift or level first. Depending on your spring rate you'll get minimal sag.
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Thanks for the responses, tommorow im going to put a 50lb dumbell and a 10lb on my stock bumper,(stock bumper is 25lbs. 25+10+50= Rampage bumper of 85lbs.) let it sit for 10 minutes and take some pics to see how bad the sag is. Either way im getting the leveling kit, but it looks like i may just install it after.
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Thanks for the responses, tommorow im going to put a 50lb dumbell and a 10lb on my stock bumper,(stock bumper is 25lbs. 25+10+50= Rampage bumper of 85lbs.) let it sit for 10 minutes and take some pics to see how bad the sag is. Either way im getting the leveling kit, but it looks like i may just install it after.
Good idea. I thought I read that the stock bumper with pull hooks was actually around 45 pounds.
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^ there were many conflicting posts about how much it really weighed. Finally
Someone weighed it with the air dam and hooks and it came in at 25lbs. Its a metal bar with a plastic covering, so it sounded about right.
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^ there were many conflicting posts about how much it really weighed. Finally
Someone weighed it with the air dam and hooks and it came in at 25lbs. Its a metal bar with a plastic covering, so it sounded about right.
Thanks. Very helpful info. I had been assuming for my purposes that the stock was 45. Will be curious to hear about impact of weight. You might add some more weight to see impact of winch should you later add it.
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Thanks for the responses, tommorow im going to put a 50lb dumbell and a 10lb on my stock bumper,(stock bumper is 25lbs. 25+10+50= Rampage bumper of 85lbs.) let it sit for 10 minutes and take some pics to see how bad the sag is. Either way im getting the leveling kit, but it looks like i may just install it after.
Are you going to measure before and after?
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Have winch and rampage bumper on front: front measures 35 1/2" and rear measures 36" floor to fender edge. these item have been on the jeep about 3 weeks now. front center of wheel to fender 19 1/2"
Measure what you have now this is on my 2013 rubicon
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Once i get home at 3, i will measure and take before and after pics. I will note now that i have rated 16 coils up front and 59 in the rear. So your rake may be more/less.
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Anyone have any close up pictures showing Rampage's textured finish?
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Did you look at Page #1 of the thread? Will give you a pretty good idea.
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Alright heres the scoop. The distance from the center of the rim to the bottom of the flare was exactly 20.3inches in the front. This is on completly level ground. (i will post the pics when i get home, its not working at work. ) the rake, as you will see in the pics, isnt horrible but its still ugly.
I then added 2 30 pound dumbells to each side of the bumper and let it sit for 15 minutes. I then measure from the EXACT location, and it was 19.9 inches. So it dropped about .5 inches which i think
Isnt all that bad. It was hard to notice the difference, but can notice it squating a little more. I personally think that a drop of .4 inches is very little and the bumper will be ok to run stock for a couple months. I will post the pics when i get home.

Besides, the bumper looks so good, you wont even notice the rake.

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