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Old 01-09-2013, 06:26 PM   #331
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This is with no weight, on level ground.

(different angles.)


Now this is with the 60 pounds of dumb bell, and i took the pics from almost identical angles. .5 inch difference.

(2nd pic with out the dumbells was meant to be at the top, its stock weight.

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If I squint really closely....I still can't see a difference.

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Exactly. Here is a side by side. First one is stock second is with the weight:

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Identical angles. Very hard to tell.
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try driving it with dumb bells. see how it drives with the weight. What were your measurements with and without?
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Exactly. Here is a side by side. First one is stock second is with the weight:

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Identical angles. Very hard to tell.
No offense, but those are useless photos. You need a closeup of the fender with a tape measurer, and another with the dumbell with the tape measurer at the same spot. Your eyeball photos don't help at all.
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You also placed the dumbell in the wrong place. Your weight/leverage multiplication is off. You need to hang the dumbell off the tow hook and let it hang over the front bumper. Where you have it isn't giving you an accurate weight/sag.
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You also placed the dumbell in the wrong place. Your weight/leverage multiplication is off. You need to hang the dumbell off the tow hook and let it hang over the front bumper. Where you have it isn't giving you an accurate weight/sag.
I didnt have the dumbells in that photo, but wouldnt most of the weight be in the middle area of the bumper? Judging on the pics of the rampage, it looked like most of the heavy steel is grouped in a 3 foot long area right under the stinger, which is how i set up the dumbells. (the front of the stinger on the bumper cant be more than 30 pounds) If i let the dumbells hangover from the tow hooks they would be protruding outward more than 2 feet passed where the bumper starts and according to this thread, the rampage bumpers farthest point (from beginning of grill area to end of stinger) is only 16 inches (correct me if im wrong), therefor, i would be placing more weight farther out, causing more than real rake. And the pictures werent meant for perfect accurucy, the measurements where. The measurments are in the early posts and gave a very clear idea of how much height you will be losing. The pics were just to show a general idea of how much sag you will see and from the pics, you can see a decent but very minimal amount.
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Old 01-09-2013, 09:11 PM   #338
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try driving it with dumb bells. see how it drives with the weight. What were your measurements with and without?
I infact did this, as silly as it sounds, i duct taped each dumbell roughly 2 feet away from each other and drove around my block. I did feel a difference. You feel the obvious front heaviness, and when you brake you can feel it pull you down. I kinda like the feeling though, makes me feel like i can go through walls. The measurements are on an earlier post check a couple posts up.
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I didnt have the dumbells in that photo, but wouldnt most of the weight be in the middle area of the bumper? Judging on the pics of the rampage, it looked like most of the heavy steel is grouped in a 3 foot long area right under the stinger, which is how i set up the dumbells. (the front of the stinger on the bumper cant be more than 30 pounds) If i let the dumbells hangover from the tow hooks they would be protruding outward more than 2 feet passed where the bumper starts and according to this thread, the rampage bumpers farthest point (from beginning of grill area to end of stinger) is only 16 inches (correct me if im wrong), therefor, i would be placing more weight farther out, causing more than real rake. And the pictures werent meant for perfect accurucy, the measurements where. The measurments are in the early posts and gave a very clear idea of how much height you will be losing. The pics were just to show a general idea of how much sag you will see and from the pics, you can see a decent but very minimal amount.
I also had minimal sag when I installed mine. I ordered the leveling kit at the same time so I put it on anyway but I could have easily ran without it.
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Old 01-09-2013, 09:37 PM   #340
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I didnt have the dumbells in that photo, but wouldnt most of the weight be in the middle area of the bumper? Judging on the pics of the rampage, it looked like most of the heavy steel is grouped in a 3 foot long area right under the stinger, which is how i set up the dumbells. (the front of the stinger on the bumper cant be more than 30 pounds) If i let the dumbells hangover from the tow hooks they would be protruding outward more than 2 feet passed where the bumper starts and according to this thread, the rampage bumpers farthest point (from beginning of grill area to end of stinger) is only 16 inches (correct me if im wrong), therefor, i would be placing more weight farther out, causing more than real rake. And the pictures werent meant for perfect accurucy, the measurements where. The measurments are in the early posts and gave a very clear idea of how much height you will be losing. The pics were just to show a general idea of how much sag you will see and from the pics, you can see a decent but very minimal amount.
Its not about the middle, its about how far forward. In the photo I showed, you had the dumbell set back, which will minimize load based on leverage. The weight would be further forward, and due to leverage, would increase the weight on the springs thats all.
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Alright heres the scoop. The distance from the center of the rim to the bottom of the flare was exactly 20.3inches in the front. This is on completly level ground. (i will post the pics when i get home, its not working at work. ) the rake, as you will see in the pics, isnt horrible but its still ugly.
I then added 2 30 pound dumbells to each side of the bumper and let it sit for 15 minutes. I then measure from the EXACT location, and it was 19.9 inches. So it dropped about .5 inches which i think
Isnt all that bad. It was hard to notice the difference, but can notice it squating a little more. I personally think that a drop of .4 inches is very little and the bumper will be ok to run stock for a couple months. I will post the pics when i get home.

Besides, the bumper looks so good, you wont even notice the rake.
1/2 inch is about what I predicted. You probably lost a bit more (3/4) if you measure the front of the front fender to the floor, but again, no big deal. A performance leveling kit will sort you out perfectly.
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Old 01-09-2013, 10:27 PM   #342
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1/2 inch is about what I predicted. You probably lost a bit more (3/4) if you measure the front of the front fender to the floor, but again, no big deal. A performance leveling kit will sort you out perfectly.
From reading your responses to me earlier, i was convinced on the performance kit instantly.

---To everyone confused on what to think about this, Even though through my testing, i have only seen about 1/2 ( possibly 3/4) inch drop, and even in person the rake wasnt really bad, it is always a good idea to get the leveling kit. This test did prove that although your jeep wont look as bad as what was prevously thought, it will have a worse than factory rake. To most people, your jeep would look normally raked but to you, it will seem different. Parked in my driveway, it looked fine as the pictures showed, but i feel that as days progress, it will become more noticeable.
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From reading your responses to me earlier, i was convinced on the performance kit instantly.

---To everyone confused on what to think about this, Even though through my testing, i have only seen about 1/2 ( possibly 3/4) inch drop, and even in person the rake wasnt really bad, it is always a good idea to get the leveling kit. This test did prove that although your jeep wont look as bad as what was prevously thought, it will have a worse than factory rake. To most people, your jeep would look normally raked but to you, it will seem different. Parked in my driveway, it looked fine as the pictures showed, but i feel that as days progress, it will become more noticeable.
Remember, it's 3/4 of an inch IN ADDITION to the OEM rake. That is definitely not the best look and the nose dive creates lift on the rear tires, hurting your stopping distances.

As for the leveling kit, read my prior posts and plan ahead with your future mods (winch, rear bumper, cargo basket, etc etc etc.) add spacers if needed now so you don't have to waste time messing with the suspension again and wasting money on another alignment. After the leveling kit, count on a 1/4" per 100lbs so plan ahead!
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Caught in another problem... I have in front of me an awsome deal for a textured black rampage bumper that looks like will only be going on for 2 months tops. The problem is that if i grab the bumper in a month (when i have the money), i wont be able to get the leveling kit for another 2 months after that. My first plan was to level it, then get bumper. But now it seems i may have to do the oppisite.
Is this a deal others could participate in? If so, can you post a link?
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Is this a deal others could participate in? If so, can you post a link?
I wish i could, but as i
PMed other members, my local offroad shop, where im very close with the owner, has three of them in the back that he bought a while back for really cheap. He has them for sale for 550$, but said i can get it for 450$ if i would pick up it up in the next month or so.
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Anyone have any close up pictures showing Rampage's textured finish?
check my pics, but wouldn't recommend it. It's constantly chipping and getting rust stains.

The price/look was great and simple install with no vacuum relocation needed on 2012..but tired of going over it with hammered paint.

Just ordered a new bumper..I wanted to move to a shorty anyway..should be here by end of month..

If anyone is interested in purchasing/pickup in the NY area feel free to PM me..
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check my pics, but wouldn't recommend it. It's constantly chipping and getting rust stains.

The price/look was great and simple install with no vacuum relocation needed on 2012..but tired of going over it with hammered paint.

Just ordered a new bumper..I wanted to move to a shorty anyway..should be here by end of month..

If anyone is interested in purchasing/pickup in the NY area feel free to PM me..
Wow. Really? The textered black chips that easy? I thought the gloss black may have, but ive seen earlier posts of people being hit and very small marks. This is strange.
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Wow. Really? The textered black chips that easy? I thought the gloss black may have, but ive seen earlier posts of people being hit and very small marks. This is strange.
Not doubting the comment at all but it is odd. The gloss black does surface scratch easily- but certainly doesn't chip or rust. My Pure Jeep sliders have the same finish and they scratch easily too. I deeply scratched my PJ sliders and Rampage bumper on the same trail run. My sliders rusted on even the tiny bare metal scratches- but the bumper didn't.
JSingr- maybe the guy on the assembly line wasn't paying attention that day? That's a lot to pay for a bad bumper. But who doesn't like a shorty?
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What finish would you guys suggest to get? I see posts of problems with chipping and rust, and wonder what is easier to maintain.
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Let me try this again.

Make the rampage a shorty.
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What finish would you guys suggest to get? I see posts of problems with chipping and rust, and wonder what is easier to maintain.
I use the rust o leum "textured" finish. Looks like powdercoat. Plus a lot cheaper to fix than having it re powdercoated.
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What finish would you guys suggest to get? I see posts of problems with chipping and rust, and wonder what is easier to maintain.
I sprayed a few tiny spots that got scratched in the shipping box. I used Ace Rust Stop Black Satin and you could never tell where it was sprayed.

I haven't had any other spots chip or scratch.
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Anyone know what size the shackles are on this and have a recommendation on a replacement? I lost one today on the trail while driving. Ugh! No clue how it came loose. Looked for Rampage Brand shackles but couldn't find one in 1" size.
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Anyone know what size the shackles are on this and have a recommendation on a replacement? I lost one today on the trail while driving. Ugh! No clue how it came loose. Looked for Rampage Brand shackles but couldn't find one in 1" size.
Email rampage and tell them one fell off. Although it's not their fault, they have been totally awesome in terms of customer service, so I wouldn't be surprised if they just sent you one for free.
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^can I go back into starbucks and have them give me one for free because I was dumb and put it on my bumper and it fell off when I backed up?

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^can I go back into starbucks and have them give me one for free because I was dumb and put it on my bumper and it fell off when I backed up?

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I have had that happen to my customers, and I replaced their food. Sometimes a little honesty goes a long way.
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JSingr- maybe the guy on the assembly line wasn't paying attention that day? That's a lot to pay for a bad bumper. But who doesn't like a shorty?
Most likely either a quality control issue or damage from shipping that I may have missed that got worse over time.

But as another member mentioned..textured rustolium does the trick for rust and spot covers. can't tell unless it's a big chip..Just trying to shed some weight on the jeep and loving the shorty looks.
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Old 01-17-2013, 06:35 PM   #358
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Hey, I pull my '07 Wrangler Rubi with the Roadmaster MX base plate. Like the Rampage Recovery bumper but will the two fit together or are mods required? If I need to cut anything, how bad will it make the bumper look?
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Although this in generally the Rampage front bumper thread, I thought I'd cross link to a thread on my experience with the Rampage Recovery rear bumper in case any one was also considering it. Awesome bumper. http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/ram...er-214011.html
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The time has come! Not really, but im getting the bumper hopefully by the end of this week, so i will install it the following week and post some pics. Do any of you remeber how long the install was? I have to plan when im going to do it.

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