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Old 09-28-2012, 11:51 AM   #31
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Not for me either- stock headlights.
Thanks for your replies. I have the Truck-Lite LEDs and their angle is pretty wide. I am thinking of changing my focus to the WARN Elite bumper which is the same price in the WARN outlet store. That bumper has a smaller grill guard.

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In case anyone is worried about clearance...I only have 34s but I wasn't close to rubbing anything. This wasn't the worst spot. No regrets about not getting a stubby.

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^ Nice shot. And good to know, I'm looking at a set of 34s.

While we're talking about Rampage bumpers, does anyone have the rear recovery bumper and notice the D-rings rattle a LOT? Anyone have any clever solution to quiet them down? The cobblestone streets around me are driving me nuts!
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If you look closely at the pic you'll see I have plastic D Ring isolaters.
Daystar KU70056BK Black D-Ring Isolator - 2 Piece : Amazon.com : Automotive
Ordered mine from Morris. I have one on my rear too- it doesn' rattle at all.
Just check your gear ratio before you order 34s. If you have 3.73s you're good- but stock gears on a Sahara are 3.21s. Don't get me started on 3.21s....
I should have mentioned when I posted the pic- I have a 3" lift. My husband could stick his hand between the bumper and tire with no problem in this circumstance and as you can see I am also not aired down. The ride height (Ie. lift) shouldn't make a difference.....but thought I'd note it.
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If you look closely at the pic you'll see I have plastic D Ring isolaters.
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Ordered mine from Morris. I have one on my rear too- it doesn' rattle at all.
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Here is my new rampage homemade stubby. it was a full width til I got ACE flares adn then it didn't look right. Well now it does look right. Gonna run 37's this weekend.
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Nice job. It hurts a little to think you paid all that money and had to chop it, but nice job.
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Here is my new rampage homemade stubby. it was a full width til I got ACE flares adn then it didn't look right. Well now it does look right. Gonna run 37's this weekend.
Looks good. That's a brute of a stubby!
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I am re-visiting this thread since I have a few inputs:
  1. I kept the stock piece between the bumper and grille so when I re-located my winch controll box under the hood, I re-re-located the plug in for my control pendant there.
  2. I didn't have stock fog lights so I installed the Rampage ones, they work well.
  3. I have no shadows on the road.
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If you look closely at the pic you'll see I have plastic D Ring isolaters.
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Ordered mine from Morris. I have one on my rear too- it doesn' rattle at all.
Just check your gear ratio before you order 34s. If you have 3.73s you're good- but stock gears on a Sahara are 3.21s. Don't get me started on 3.21s....
I should have mentioned when I posted the pic- I have a 3" lift. My husband could stick his hand between the bumper and tire with no problem in this circumstance and as you can see I am also not aired down. The ride height (Ie. lift) shouldn't make a difference.....but thought I'd note it.
Actually bought those, they work for the swinging motion, but the problem is that the bolt that goes through the bracket vibrates up and down. I'm thinking some felt wrapped around the bolt.
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My rampage bumper was delivered today and I just got done finishing the install at midnight. Will post up pics tomorrow.

I took the jeep around the block and you can definitely tell a difference in the wieigh in the front. Anyone remember how much this weighs? Should I consider heavier springs or anything else to accommodate the extra weight?

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Nice job. It hurts a little to think you paid all that money and had to chop it, but nice job.
Didn't hurt me. It was stock for 3 years before I chopped it. Didn't want to buy a new stubby, so grinder and welder came out.
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Didn't hurt me. It was stock for 3 years before I chopped it. Didn't want to buy a new stubby, so grinder and welder came out.
I've seen it on your rig, looks good.
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Looks great!
Prime example of why you shouldn't order the semi-gloss-like me. No offense to anyone but I don't like flat black- really trendy out here and reminds me of all the cheap black plastic Chrysler slaps on a Jeep. However flat black matches the stock fenders the best as seen in this install. Though my bumper was only slightly damaged in the fender bender- I can't touch up the semi-gloss to save my life. Tried flat back and semi gloss- my touch up sticks out like a sore thumb. I am probably overly sensitive be because I am pissed some random guy rammed into me right after I installed the bumper but there you go. If I damaged it because I accidentally rammed into a boulder on a trail I'd consider it a beauty mark.
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I took the jeep around the block and you can definitely tell a difference in the wieigh in the front. Anyone remember how much this weighs? Should I consider heavier springs or anything else to accommodate the extra weight?
The front was around 110 lbs, IIRC. It's heavy. If the sag is too much for you, a cheap fix would be a $130 TF leveling kit – 2" of spacers up front and 1" in rear, which will also level out your Jeep's rake.

Or you could buy new springs; if you've already got a spring lift or full lift you shouldn't get much sag at all.
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The front was around 110 lbs, IIRC. It's heavy. If the sag is too much for you, a cheap fix would be a $130 TF leveling kit – 2" of spacers up front and 1" in rear, which will also level out your Jeep's rake.

Or you could buy new springs; if you've already got a spring lift or full lift you shouldn't get much sag at all.

Thanks, I've been thinking about the leveling kit.
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The bumper is about 85lbs without winch and winchplate.
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In case anyone is worried about clearance...I only have 34s but I wasn't close to rubbing anything. This wasn't the worst spot. No regrets about not getting a stubby.
Do you have any issues with airflow? I really wanted to get a Warn 9.5CTi but am scared that I will block off too much airflow.
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I have a WARN 9.0 CTI (compact) so its smaller than what you're looking at. I've been out on some really dirty/dusty trails at over 90 degress with no issues. But that's all I can say- no expert in air flow. I've seen some gargantuan winches with covers on them out here- no one has mentioned an issue with air flow.
You should check EBay. You wouldn't think to look there but we saved a ton on ours- though it might be because my model is not as popular. Yes, its spooled now!
I am still looking for a good hook isolater....
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I have a WARN 9.0 CTI (compact) so its smaller than what you're looking at. I've been out on some really dirty/dusty trails at over 90 degress with no issues. But that's all I can say- no expert in air flow. I've seen some gargantuan winches with covers on them out here- no one has mentioned an issue with air flow.
You should check EBay. You wouldn't think to look there but we saved a ton on ours- though it might be because my model is not as popular. Yes, its spooled now!
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According to Poison Spyder, the airflow issue is nothing but BS put out by bumper manufacturers. I just wanted to see if anyone has actually had issues with airflow rather than "I heard on the interwebz..." Seems like it really is a dead issue.
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Quick question for you guys, are these bumpers made here in the USA? Or are they Chinese? They really are a good price, and they're cheaper shipped than the ACE mid width bumpers
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Why does this bumper look like it's high gloss in some pictures but in this one it doesn't?


I love the way it looks in this picture tho.
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Quick question for you guys, are these bumpers made here in the USA? Or are they Chinese? They really are a good price, and they're cheaper shipped than the ACE mid width bumpers
They are made in China. The quality (build) is not any worse than any bumper I have seen save AEV, which seems to have robotic welds. As for smacking a deer or crashing into a brick wall, I would put this thing up against anything out there. This thing is a monster.

Now, most of this forum disagrees with me, but like I said, it is a global economy. Buying American in stupid. The COMPANIES are STILL American. They employ Americans. Warn employs a lot of people. Their products are MOSTLY chinese, and Mexican. Now, they might be screwed together in the US, but the motors are from Taiwan, the housing is from China, etc. Same with Rigid industries. The housings are made in China. The LEDs are as well. They are assembled in the US. Another member posted about not wanting to buy a lift made in china. The manufacturers that make stuff in the USA still use chinese rolled steel because they produce it cheaper over there. This is how global economies function. We don't grow coffee in the US because it is not efficient for us to do it. The workers that could farm coffee farm corn instead, where there is more profit/use.

I agree, I buy Japanese/European/American/Chinese (in that order) if I can help it, but you must do it with proper knowledge. Half the Jeep is made in China and Mexico. Even if it is nailed together in the US. Rigid Industries employs americans, Smittybilt, Warn, Rampage, etc. Companies like Qtec and Northridge 4x4 would not be able to exist. Also, if you notice, many "made in the USA" products" are not stamped made in the USA, since they do not qualify. Some products will brand the component made in the USA, but will brand other components "made in somewhere else." Warn does this with their winches. Motors, housings, etc are all made in different places.

Sorry for the rant, but this is the second time today someone mentioned "made in china" vs "made in the usa" and I figured I would clear up some misconceptions.

I urge people to read and understand this...it will greatly improve their understand of this made in the USA non-sense.
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A company promotes its product in an ad that features a manager describing the "true American quality" of the work produced at the company’s American factory. Although there is no express representation that the company’s product is made in the U.S., the overall — or net — impression the ad is likely to convey to consumers is that the product is of U.S. origin.

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For example (and the FTC uses lots of examples), a California radio manufacturer can claim its product was made in America even though it has a plastic case made from imported oil. So can a computer maker in Texas that is building a PC from American-made parts which include a disk drive with a case made from steel imported from overseas. But if you make a wrench in Ohio with steel imported from Korea, you can’t say that wrench was made in America because the steel represents a significant cost of production.
Bumpers are all steel.....
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Offers both semi gloss (mine) and flat black. (Medics). Flat is easier to touch up. Personal preference from there. Both Pure Jeep (rockers coming!) and Rampage suggest Krylon.
I don't think Rampage is made in the USA. They have a local shop in the same city as my business. Good enough for me but not for everyone.
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Why does this bumper look like it's high gloss in some pictures but in this one it doesn't?


I love the way it looks in this picture tho.

Mine is the Textured Black model, there are two finishes for this bumper that you can order. Mine up close looks like it's bedlined.
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Do you have any issues with airflow? I really wanted to get a Warn 9.5CTi but am scared that I will block off too much airflow.
I have wheeled with mine with a XRC8 mounted on top for 3 years now. I also run a Trans cooler in front of the radiator for the last two. This spring I put a PS cooler in front of the radiator as well. Then I could see a difference in temps. But it only went to 222 and the fan was kicking on and brought it back down. I am going to relocate my PS cooler to the passenger side frame with a built in fan to get some more air back directly on the radiator.
but I run without wheelwell liners and am ready to run the poison spyder hood louvers soon.
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Quick question...I can't seem to find the bolts that I need to attach my winch plate to the bumper. I guess I lost them over the last year or so. Their instructions posted online say it is a 10mmx25mm bolt. Will these work?
M10-1.25 x 25mm J.I.S. Small Head Hex Flange Bolts

I'm having a hard time with sizes. Also, what grade should they be? These claim to be 10.9, but I don't know if these are the same "grade" as my grade 8 control arm bolts.

Also, I'm having a tough time understanding the mounting...I don't have my winch yet, but it seems that the plate gets bolted to the bumper, then the winch gets bolted to the plate. The plate sits flush with the bumper though, so I am having a hard time making sense of it. Any of you guys that have mounted a winch to this thing have any thoughts? Does the winch use the pre-drilled threaded holes in the bumper?

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