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Old 03-26-2013, 02:50 PM   #301
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Front shocks might be a bit short

ok.. think im just going to bag this rancho lift, return it and figure something else out.. Thanks Tons for all the advice in this thread.

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But I'd let rancho chime ib

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what do you guys think about throwin this on with the Rancho Shocks i got with the 2" sport lift? I'm trying to get creative here..

Rubicon Express 2.5" Budget Boost Suspension System

palehorse? kjeeper10? Rancho? Thoughts on this approach?

link is for the 2dr version but assume they have one for 4dr
The adjustable 9000 shocks are great! However, you'll want longer versions if you go with a 2.5" lift, or taller (kjeeper would know which ones, specifically). I would also avoid Rubicon Express if it were me.

Teraflex, Rock Krawler, AEV, and Metal Cloak offer much better coil lifts for reasonable prices.

I'll respond to your pm with more info later tonight.
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The adjustable 9000 shocks are great! However, you'll want longer versions if you go with a 2.5" lift, or taller (kjeeper would know which ones, specifically). I would also avoid Rubicon Express if it were me.

Teraflex, Rock Krawler, AEV, and Metal Cloak offer much better coil lifts for reasonable prices.

I'll respond to your pm with more info later tonight.

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so any other lift that comes with shock extensions would work for awhile is what I gather? These Rancho shocks that come with this kit are good for 0-2" lift.. so basically stock height. Any kit that comes with springs and shock extensions wouldn't know if the shocks were my rubi ones are these rancho right?

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The front shocks in the kit are for the 0-2 inch lift. The rears are for the 2-4 inch lift. The rears will work with a taller lift. The fronts will work with the adapters. You will need to address the driveshaft-exhaust interference issue if you use extensions on the front. The front Rancho shocks function as a droop limiter so there is no interference with this kit.

I am surprised you haven't given Rancho a chance to make this right, but that is your prerogative. I do ask, as the original poster, that you take conversations about looking for a different lift to a separate thread.

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I am surprised you haven't given Rancho a chance to make this right, but that is your prerogative. I do ask, as the original poster, that you take conversations about looking for a different lift to a separate thread.

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Tried.. no answers from Rancho.. no biggie.. and I'll do as you ask and move along..
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So I have a bit of a dilemma with this Kit:

My Rig came from the factory with no rake, it sat level - Sport, 2dr, Hardtop, tow pkg.
I got some JKRU 18/59 springs on the cheap, gave me about 1" rear and 1.5" front lift.
Now that I have a AEV COD bumper I sit more or less level at 1" over my 14/56 springs.

So by getting this kit it seems that the new front springs still might overwhelm the rears and spacers and I would need different spacers or different rear springs.

Here is the issue:
Right now I can get this kit for about $275 or so and deal with some other spacers if my rig comes in out of level for $50-$75 or so.

Or buy the shocks for about $225 and get some other springs about 2", say some from JKS Springs for about $300 f/r and come in about $525 or so, but I would still need the brake line relocation and bumpstops. The JKS do look progressive, which is a plus.

Or go with another kit altogether. (I was going to go with a used AEV 2.5" but finances got in the way)

I need to keep everything under $600 and would like to not go higher than 2.5" so most of the 2.5" kits on the market are out as they lift more in the 3"+ range.

Any thoughts from the Rancho guy in these cases?

Oh and I have 33" Duratracs on stock rims and spacers.
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So I have a bit of a dilemma with this Kit:

My Rig came from the factory with no rake, it sat level - Sport, 2dr, Hardtop, tow pkg.
I got some JKRU 18/59 springs on the cheap, gave me about 1" rear and 1.5" front lift.
Now that I have a AEV COD bumper I sit more or less level.

So by getting this kit it seems that the new front springs still might overwhelm the rears and spacers and I would need different spacers or different springs.

Here is the issue:
Right now I can get this kit for about $275 or so and deal with some other spacers if my rig comes in out of level for $75 or so.

Or buy the shocks for about $225 and get some other springs about 2", say some from JKS Springs for about $300 f/r and come in about $525 or so, but I would still need the brake line relocation and bumpstops. The JKS do look progressive, which is a plus.

Or go with another kit altogether. (I was going to go with a used AEV 2.5" but finances got in the way)

I need to keep everything under $600 and would like to not go higher than 2.5" so most of the 2.5" kits on the market are out as they lift more in the 3"+ range.

Any thoughts from the Rancho guy in these cases?

I'm in the exact same boat, sans the 2dr, and my curiosity is the same as yours.. saying that I've recently been warned about clogging this thread with questions about other suspension components, and I'm going to honor is request...

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I do ask, as the original poster, that you take conversations about looking for a different lift to a separate thread.
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Humm, missed that somewhere in the 11 pages...

OK so disregard asking about other kits:
Will this kit level my Jeep with my specific spring situation?

If not, is there any remedy from Rancho, at no cost to me (have to ask...), if I get a reverse rake?

Thanks!

Maybe posting the wall of text in the MFR thread for the rebate would be good?!?
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installed with my 35's.. works ok, shopping for another lift already as this was more of a band aid to get my tires on, fender chopping commencing soon. Rancho never bothered to chime back in, seems to hide his head when people have serious questions, so I just tossed it on knowing I'll switch it out in the future.

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What was your original question? I was in Moab last week, BTW....

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installed with my 35's.. works ok, shopping for another lift already as this was more of a band aid to get my tires on, fender chopping commencing soon. Rancho never bothered to chime back in, seems to hide his head when people have serious questions, so I just tossed it on knowing I'll switch it out in the future.

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What was your original question? I was in Moab last week, BTW....
answered by others as well as leaving this thread to just the rancho lift stuff.. I hacked the rest of the kit together that was missing from my rancho kit and slapped it on just to roll my 35's but am going to the AEV xt dualsport setup and the geometry correction brackets.

This rancho kit puts your nose up higher in the air them the rear, and not enough of lift in the back, like previous posters noted.. how would you call this a 2" lift, when there is .75 spacer in the rear? at any rate.. it works fine for now..

and no this didn't come with the spacers up front, or if it did it's lost somewhere as this is how my kit arrived at my door..


only 1 shock was in a bag in the box, the others were loose in the boxes, not wrapped up, one rear shock was installed on a previous rig, it was obvious by the bolt marks through the lower mounts. I mentioned this previously when you were apparently 'out' again.
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Did you call the people who shipped you the kit, by chance? We do not ship product this way, nor do we install a system before it goes out our door. We know that the system raises the nose often times, the reason is we assume people will add a bumper(winch) combo and that will level it out. Also as has been mentioned often in this thread there are various spring rates from the factory, so that will play a part in this system.... as it does for all other manufacturers as well. The .75" spacer in the rear "levels" it with the front.... we wouldn't include a 2" spacer it would have the opposite effect....

I am also lucky to travel a lot for this job and meet great people along the way.

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answered by others as well as leaving this thread to just the rancho lift stuff.. I hacked the rest of the kit together that was missing from my rancho kit and slapped it on just to roll my 35's but am going to the AEV xt dualsport setup and the geometry correction brackets.

This rancho kit puts your nose up higher in the air them the rear, and not enough of lift in the back, like previous posters noted.. how would you call this a 2" lift, when there is .75 spacer in the rear? at any rate.. it works fine for now..

and no this didn't come with the spacers up front, or if it did it's lost somewhere as this is how my kit arrived at my door..


only 1 shock was in a bag in the box, the others were loose in the boxes, not wrapped up, one rear shock was installed on a previous rig, it was obvious by the bolt marks through the lower mounts. I mentioned this previously when you were apparently 'out' again.
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Did you call the people who shipped you the kit, by chance? We do not ship product this way, nor do we install a system before it goes out our door. We know that the system raises the nose often times, the reason is we assume people will add a bumper(winch) combo and that will level it out. Also as has been mentioned often in this thread there are various spring rates from the factory, so that will play a part in this system.... as it does for all other manufacturers as well. The .75" spacer in the rear "levels" it with the front.... we wouldn't include a 2" spacer it would have the opposite effect....

I am also lucky to travel a lot for this job and meet great people along the way.
Yes, I called, I could've shipped it back of course, but had a dilemma here where I had 35's that were going on and had someone waiting on my other wheels, therefor took the hit and scrounged for misc parts, and slapped her on. I'm really shocked that you took into account an offroad bumper and winch when I read on another forum where you suggested getting a differentd kit for any type of wheelin, so.. was this kit made for people that go to the mall with huge front bumpers and winches? Not trying to poke at you at you at all, just was kind of frustrated as I fell for the marketing, but it's actually a pretty pointless system. Unless of course, speed bumps are killing you on the way to starbucks or the local mall by the way, I weigh in at 190 lbs. about the same as a heavy bumper and winch, stepped on the front bumper and the front end is still too high up.. I have 58 springs in the rear, and now yours up front.

For me it serves a purpose, gets my 35's on my jeep, and gets me down the road until I can make a more educated choice in suspension components. Also the other added bonus is it is stupid simple to install took me and my 12 yo a few hours in my shop and we were done.

Again, this is totally friendly banter... I do appreciate your willingness to be on the forums, really. And more importantly you are very good and accepting the arrows dumb bastards like me throw at you..
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We know that the system raises the nose often times, the reason is we assume people will add a bumper(winch) combo and that will level it out. Also as has been mentioned often in this thread there are various spring rates from the factory, so that will play a part in this system.... as it does for all other manufacturers as well. The .75" spacer in the rear "levels" it with the front.... we wouldn't include a 2" spacer it would have the opposite effect....

Seems the me that in this case it should be called a leveling kit and not a lift kit.

As some Jeeps come without a rake, this would then be called a unleveling kit.

When accouning for arm geometry, you do get more lift from the 3/4" spacer. I am not sure if this is real life accurate, but looking at the 2dr install instrucitons, those spacers add 2.1" to the rear and the front springs add 2.4". Can anyone who has installed this lift verify those lift hights?

So basically the responce from Rancho is: if your not level, it is your issue, not the kits. I suppose that is the way it is using many of the kits on the market from other manufacturers that level using spacers and stock coils.

I wonder if these issues are why the TeraFlex "leveling kit" has two one inch spacers per side for the front and a single one inch spacer per side for the rear. Of course that also means that the TF leveling kit gives more lift then Rancho's lift?

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Not trying to poke at you at you at all, just was kind of frustrated as I fell for the marketing, but it's actually a pretty pointless system.
No, not pointless at all, for the price. If you are looking for a mild lift and some great shocks, it does just that, there are just some issues due to the method of getting the lift.

You see this issue with many of the spacer lifts, just take AEV for an example, their 2" lift uses a 2" front spacer and a 1.25" rear spacer, so those of with a level factory rig are also left with a reverse rake, no matter what bumper/winch combo is in the front. Here again, you get more lift out of this system over the Rancho too... Hummm....

Actually, I believe that almost all the lift kits (any lift/spring/spacer config) assume (A$$ out of U and Me) that every Jeeper that buys a lift is going to run a bumper and winch, as well as wanting/needing to level out the rake, which to me is a bad assumption really...
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Rancho ... I need your help.

This is on my soon-to-be delivered Rubicon 10A. I realize this thread is for the Sport model, however I want to get 33.9" x 11.3" under in the wheel wells using the stock wheels on my 10A. It comes with extra a .5" lift over the standard Rubicon so all I need is enough to go from 31.7's to 34's - two sizes taller than what is shipped from the factory.

I'm an old customer .. had Don-A-Vee install your 3" kit on my 1991 Cherokee way back in the 90's. I remember talking to your engineers and they were most helpful.

Go Rancho or go home!

Are you guys planning anything specific for the 10A?

Btw .. great customer service and engineering! I miss my old Rancho lift... but I still have RS9000's.

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Just to keep the wall of text down from what I wrote above, here is a Q for any Rancho:

Considering that the Poly spacer cost less than $5 per pair to produce, why not offer some type of no cost trade-in for people who have issues with what comes in the kit?

This would be great for the consumer and huge word of mouth advertisment for the MFR.

Otherwise we will feel like markwoodlief in that the kit is pointless or some poster on Amazon who said the kit is crap because of this very issue.
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Rancho ... I need your help.

This is on my soon-to-be delivered Rubicon 10A. I realize this thread is for the Sport model, however I want to get 33.9" x 11.3" under in the wheel wells using the stock wheels on my 10A. It comes with extra a .5" lift over the standard Rubicon so all I need is enough to go from 31.7's to 34's - two sizes taller than what is shipped from the factory.

I'm an old customer .. had Don-A-Vee install your 3" kit on my 1991 Cherokee way back in the 90's. I remember talking to your engineers and they were most helpful.

Go Rancho or go home!

Are you guys planning anything specific for the 10A?

Btw .. great customer service and engineering! I miss my old Rancho lift... but I still have RS9000's.

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The lift is called "sport", it isn't just for Sport models.
Ohh ... nevermind.

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Ordered the kit, have really been on the fence with this one, as I do want level, but have loved the previous 9k's shocks I had run on another vehicle.

I am thinking of buying an additional 1.75" rear coil spacer along with the kit, JUST IN CASE.

Any thoughts from the offroad community on this?
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Like many things in this world, this is a price point lift. There are many better lifts, but IMHO not for this price.

If you like the kit, but want more than the spacer supplied for the rear, I recommend the 1" poly performance progressive wound springs. Initial reports are they provide 1.5 to 2 inches of lift if you aren't running a heavy rear bumper.

As with any rear lift above the .75 spacer, you may need longer sway bar links and either a track bar correction bracket or an adjustable track bar to recenter the rear axle.

Most people that have this kit installed, including me, are very happy with the ride quality and either looking for or ok with the kit leveling the jeep.

Here is a great read for anyone still trying to decide how to piece together their own lift.

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I suggest you install the kit as shipped. If you decide you want more rear lift, look for a more in depth solution.

I had no problems with my front being too high when I installed it. I didn't install my winch until a month later.

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I installed the Rancho lift this weekend & am extremely happy with it so far. I also installed a Warn front bumper, winch, & Mopar rear bumper so the amount of lift was less than 2" which is what I was hoping for. I gained about 1-1/2" in the front & 1" in the rear which is exactly what I wanted. I got the RS9000XL shocks & love the adjustablility - I'm still experimenting with what setting for normal around town is best but it's great to have options.
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Keep in mind with this system we are leveling/lifting the JK.
Keep in mind we built this to a INCREDIBLY strong price point, while still being made in the USA.
We built this to accommodate 33" tires but you can fit 35" if you desire.
Most suspension systems will have more lift than stated as well, takes a bit to get the springs to settle.
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I installed the Rancho lift this weekend & am extremely happy with it so far. I also installed a Warn front bumper, winch, & Mopar rear bumper so the amount of lift was less than 2" which is what I was hoping for. I gained about 1-1/2" in the front & 1" in the rear which is exactly what I wanted. I got the RS9000XL shocks & love the adjustability - I'm still experimenting with what setting for normal around town is best but it's great to have options.
So based on the net lift, you grossed what 2" in front and 1.25 rear or so?
That seems to be less than what Rancho shows in the install instructions.
Do you know what spring rates you had in your Rig?
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The amount of lift you'll get really varies depending on the configuration of your vehicle, 2 vs 4 door, which stock springs, hard vs soft top, factory options, winch, aftermarket bumpers, bigger spare tires, etc.

On my stock 2013 4 door Sahara with the 16 series front and 59 series rear springs, I netted 2.25 inches of lift in the front and .75 inches for the rear. I had a noticeable rake stock, and it sat level after the lift. After adding a winch, the front dropped .25 inches to a net increase of 2 inches.

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Keep in mind with this system we are leveling/lifting the JK.
Keep in mind we built this to a INCREDIBLY strong price point, while still being made in the USA.
We built this to accommodate 33" tires but you can fit 35" if you desire.
Most suspension systems will have more lift than stated as well, takes a bit to get the springs to settle.
Thanks for all the PM's as well!
which is why im done with Rancho.. Please ask your product team to rename this lift to a leveling system. It is NOT a 2" lift kit by any means..

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which is why im done with Rancho.. Please ask your product team to rename this lift to a leveling system. It is NOT a 2" lift kit by any means..

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I got 2.25 inches from mine

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