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Old 04-03-2013, 02:41 PM   #331
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The amount of lift you'll get really varies depending on the configuration of your vehicle, 2 vs 4 door, which stock springs, hard vs soft top, factory options, winch, aftermarket bumpers, bigger spare tires, etc.

On my stock 2013 4 door Sahara with the 16 series front and 59 series rear springs, I netted 2.25 inches of lift in the front and .75 inches for the rear. I had a noticeable rake stock, and it sat level after the lift. After adding a winch, the front dropped .25 inches to a net increase of 2 inches.

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I got 2.25 inches from mine
Any bumper/winch combo yet?

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The amount of lift you'll get really varies depending on the configuration of your vehicle, 2 vs 4 door, which stock springs, hard vs soft top, factory options, winch, aftermarket bumpers, bigger spare tires, etc.

On my stock 2013 4 door Sahara with the 16 series front and 59 series rear springs, I netted 2.25 inches of lift in the front and .75 inches for the rear. I had a noticeable rake stock, and it sat level after the lift. After adding a winch, the front dropped .25 inches to a net increase of 2 inches.

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It does help, however, it is interesting that you grossed .75 in the rear.
Your rake pre lift was 1.5" lower in front - Wow...
Did you put in the 59 springs or was that factory?

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I got 2.25 inches from mine
So do you know your factory spring rate pre lift?
Was that was the actual lift front and rear, or did you get 2.25" all around?
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which is why im done with Rancho.. Please ask your product team to rename this lift to a leveling system. It is NOT a 2" lift kit by any means..

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Sadly this is what I was talking about Rancho...
I know that at this price point there are compromises, but...

Sadly, all this variance from the factory does put the aftermarket suppliers in a bind.

Overall it is not a bad kit compared to what is on the market, as everything else has compromises too, it is just sad that the onus is on the consumer to make things right.

I also don't believe that the suspension geometry will give 1.5" of rear lift with only a .75" spacer. So the lift is in effect only a about a 1" lift that takes out the rake (from what I have read the standard rake is about .5" to .75"), if your rig has one. If you don't have a rake, YMMV...

Oh, and back in the day Rancho was king for my CJ, and that is what everyone ran!
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So do you know your factory spring rate pre lift?
Was that was the actual lift front and rear, or did you get 2.25" all around?
17 front and 59 rear
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Rancho ... I need your help.

This is on my soon-to-be delivered Rubicon 10A. I realize this thread is for the Sport model, however I want to get 33.9" x 11.3" under in the wheel wells using the stock wheels on my 10A. It comes with extra a .5" lift over the standard Rubicon so all I need is enough to go from 31.7's to 34's - two sizes taller than what is shipped from the factory.

I'm an old customer .. had Don-A-Vee install your 3" kit on my 1991 Cherokee way back in the 90's. I remember talking to your engineers and they were most helpful.

Go Rancho or go home!

Are you guys planning anything specific for the 10A?

Btw .. great customer service and engineering! I miss my old Rancho lift... but I still have RS9000's.

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17 front and 59 rear
That is what came off my 2013 4DR SPORT as well....
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So based on the net lift, you grossed what 2" in front and 1.25 rear or so?
That seems to be less than what Rancho shows in the install instructions.
Do you know what spring rates you had in your Rig?
I have a '13 2 door Rubicon that came with 14/57 springs
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Rancho in this long thread i've seen you mention you take into consideration the weight of the front bumper and winch combo, so people have a reverse rake until they upgrade their bumper.

But did your engineers think about the weight of a 35" tire and a heavy rear bumper too? So a .75 inch spacer, nets you zero with that configuration.. and even if you were fully loaded front and rear this kit still gives you a reverse rake?
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Rancho in this long thread i've seen you mention you take into consideration the weight of the front bumper and winch combo, so people have a reverse rake until they upgrade their bumper.

But did your engineers think about the weight of a 35" tire and a heavy rear bumper too? So a .75 inch spacer, nets you zero with that configuration.. and even if you were fully loaded front and rear this kit still gives you a reverse rake?
Yes we did, one of the JK's we fit this on was our 4 door Rubicon with our tire carrier. Remember we suggest 33's with this kit, but people fit 35's on it.

35's and a rear bumper.

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Yes we did, one of the JK's we fit this on was our 4 door Rubicon with our tire carrier. Remember we suggest 33's with this kit, but people fit 35's on it.

35's and a rear bumper.

thanks for the reply... can you confirm the poly performance 1" rear springs would work well with this kit? May make this kit worthy actually..
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thanks for the reply... can you confirm the poly performance 1" rear springs would work well with this kit? May make this kit worthy actually..
Got a link? (to confirm) It should work with a 1" spacer in the rear since we use a spacer a tad bit taller on the 2 door.
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thanks for the reply... can you confirm the poly performance 1" rear springs would work well with this kit? May make this kit worthy actually..
I mentioned those Poly springs earlier in the thread and asked the same question. I honestly think they're your best bet for the rear if you add them to the rest of this kit -- especially if you trim your fenders or buy flat fenders -- but I don't know anyone who has tried (including Rancho).

In my opinion, though, this just isn't the right kit for 34-35" tires. The shocks are great, but the rest will leave you chasing inches (front and rear) in order to get it level and squeeze those tires in without worrying about ripping off your fenders...
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I mentioned those Poly springs earlier in the thread and asked the same question. I honestly think they're your best bet for the rear if you add them to the rest of this kit -- especially if you trim your fenders or buy flat fenders -- but I don't know anyone who has tried (including Rancho).

In my opinion, though, this just isn't the right kit for 34-35" tires. The shocks are great, but the rest will leave you chasing inches (front and rear) in order to get it level and squeeze those tires in without worrying about ripping off your fenders...

thanks paleh0rse, appreciate the advice..
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I mentioned those Poly springs earlier in the thread and asked the same question. I honestly think they're your best bet for the rear if you add them to the rest of this kit -- especially if you trim your fenders or buy flat fenders -- but I don't know anyone who has tried (including Rancho).

In my opinion, though, this just isn't the right kit for 34-35" tires. The shocks are great, but the rest will leave you chasing inches (front and rear) in order to get it level and squeeze those tires in without worrying about ripping off your fenders...
Again valid points. On our 3" SPORT system. you get all new coils, adjustable track bar, brake lines etc..... The price point is $1000-$1100ISH, take into account the rebate and it will drop it down by $300. Yes $700ISH is WAY more than this kit but a more complete kit.
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There are better deals than that on the 3" sport kit.

See post # 12

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There are better deals than that on the 3" sport kit.

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There are better deals than that on the 3" sport kit.

See post # 12

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thanks for the links mike.. I just watched the video, and came to a very harsh reality.. I wonder if anyone tested suspension components in WA, like Walker Valley for instance.. I just watched a ton of different suspension youtube vids, and realized they are all at places like moab, or in the desert.. hmm.. great.. more research to do, so I can confuse myself some more..

if any of you have ever been to Walker Valley in WA, you'll know what i'm talking about.. gnarly to say the very least..
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thanks for the links mike.. I just watched the video, and came to a very harsh reality.. I wonder if anyone tested suspension components in WA, like Walker Valley for instance.. I just watched a ton of different suspension youtube vids, and realized they are all at places like moab, or in the desert.. hmm.. great.. more research to do, so I can confuse myself some more..

if any of you have ever been to Walker Valley in WA, you'll know what i'm talking about.. gnarly to say the very least..
We have tested our suspensions all over the country.
From the Rubicon, to Big Bear, all over Moab and to the trails out East.

A little trail in Colorado called Billings Canyon...




Thankfully that tree was there...



PS that mud up there! Nasty!! Yuk!
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We have tested our suspensions all over the country.
From the Rubicon, to Big Bear, all over Moab and to the trails out East.

A little trail in Colorado called Billings Canyon...




Thankfully that tree was there...



PS that mud up there! Nasty!! Yuk!
that's what im talking about and yes.. Western WA loves MUD,
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Went ahead and spoke to Matt with Rancho, and ordered up the Sport lift 2" from Rancho, with the 9000XL's.

First, these shocks are fantastic! But everyone here already knows this!

Sadly, I did get a substantial opposite rake in the front. We toyed around with it a bit, adjusted the shock settings on the 9k's and let it set for the day, but it is still about 1/2" high in the front (from the pinch seem). We double checked everything, and it does appear the rear coil spacers are the 3/4" and not the 1 3/4" for the 2dr model. This seems to make sense as to why the front is a bit high. You guys can see for yourself and judge it for what it is.



Overall driving impressions. Under braking you have very little front dive. Cornering is drastically improved as well as comfort on the highway. These absorb the road in a much more linear and consistent manor in comparison to the factory sport springs/shocks. Really no comparison.



After playing around with the different settings, I found, "5" FR and "3" R to be the best balance of comfort and still gaining nice road handling characteristics. Overall, very happy, excluding the front rake. (trying to get matt to send me the correct 2dr 1.75" rear coil spacer).



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Honestly, I think it looks fine. Both my TF and RK springs put me higher in the front. Adding a bumper/winch combo will level it out.
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Went ahead and spoke to Matt with Rancho, and ordered up the Sport lift 2" from Rancho, with the 9000XL's.

First, these shocks are fantastic! But everyone here already knows this!

Sadly, I did get a substantial opposite rake in the front. We toyed around with it a bit, adjusted the shock settings on the 9k's and let it set for the day, but it is still about 1/2" high in the front (from the pinch seem). We double checked everything, and it does appear the rear coil spacers are the 3/4" and not the 1 3/4" for the 2dr model. This seems to make sense as to why the front is a bit high. You guys can see for yourself and judge it for what it is.



Overall driving impressions. Under braking you have very little front dive. Cornering is drastically improved as well as comfort on the highway. These absorb the road in a much more linear and consistent manor in comparison to the factory sport springs/shocks. Really no comparison.



After playing around with the different settings, I found, "5" FR and "3" R to be the best balance of comfort and still gaining nice road handling characteristics. Overall, very happy, excluding the front rake. (trying to get matt to send me the correct 2dr 1.75" rear coil spacer).



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Yep, on a 2DR you need the other 1.75" spacer. You probably got an older kit from inventory. PM Rancho here. They've been good about sending out the right spacer. Also, make sure you stacked the Rancho with the OEM one in the rear. If you just remove the OEM you lose .5".


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Yep, on a 2DR you need the other 1.75" spacer. .


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seems like the 4dr should come with that spacer too. If I had a 1.75 spacer in the rear on my JKU it would likely sit level, but instead got the .75 with my kit, which squats my rear end a bit. Rancho? Can i send you guys my .75 and get a 1.75? I'll do some googling but if you have a part no. I'll order up a set.
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I installed this lift yesterday on my 2012 JKU. It has a Warn Elite front bumper and a 12,000lb winch. This lift leveled the Jeep perfectly and gave me about 1" of total lift. I set the shocks on 4 and the ride is slightly stiffer than stock eliminating some of the the sponginess when cornering and hitting bumps in the road. I will also be towing a 3,000lb 19' camper so I felt the adjustable shocks were a necessity. I'll report with a comparison of stock vs Rancho as soon as I get to pull the camper.
For my setup and preference, this is the perfect lift for me and I would recommend it for anyone who has an aftermarket front bumper and wants to level with a slight lift.
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Big thanks to Rancho for getting me the correct rear spacers. Went on in less then an hr.

VERY HAPPY! . Nice and level, and the ride with the 9000xl's is awesome.


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