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Old 01-24-2013, 12:35 PM   #31
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I have an e-mail into our engineers on that right now. I will update this when I know the answer.

Here is a Facebook album (if you do Facebook) with our 2" SPORT on it.
Stock with 2"
2" with 33's (bumper/winch)
2" with 35's (bumper/winch)
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Rancho--what if someone wanted to run 3"-4" lift shocks. Can it be worked out somehow ?

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Old 01-24-2013, 12:56 PM   #32
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Rancho, looking into the shocks that are used in this kit, I have found some owners complaining about dampening loss over time. Which is to say, they would set it for a certain firmness but after some time it would lose its stiffness, comment?

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Rancho, is it ok to take off the .75 front leveling spacer? The shop wants to make sure. I think that will level out my Jeep.
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Old 01-24-2013, 01:44 PM   #34
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or do you guys have a 2" rear spacer that can be installed to level it out?
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Old 01-24-2013, 01:55 PM   #35
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Rancho, is it ok to take off the .75 front leveling spacer? The shop wants to make sure. I think that will level out my Jeep.
If you have a 2 door it shouldn't have been installed to begin with.
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Rancho--what if someone wanted to run 3"-4" lift shocks. Can it be worked out somehow ?
It could work, but you would buying 2 sets of shocks for a 2" system.
With the 2" SPORT the shocks are included in the cost.
When we get into our 3-4" systems we let the customer choose their shocks. It could be ours, or another company. Hope that makes sense. Basically if you never see yourself going over 2" this is a great system, if you want to grow get a 3 or 4" system IMO.

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Rancho, looking into the shocks that are used in this kit, I have found some owners complaining about dampening loss over time. Which is to say, they would set it for a certain firmness but after some time it would lose its stiffness, comment?

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So these shocks in this post from about 6 years ago were generation 1 of the 9000 series. We are now on the XL series, so changes have occurred over the years. If dampening loss does occur over time, keep that receipt!! We have a limited lifetime warranty. The limited part is if you say hit a rock on the trail kind of thing...

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Rancho, is it ok to take off the .75 front leveling spacer? The shop wants to make sure. I think that will level out my Jeep.
Yes you can! Keep it around just in case as well.
I think I got the questions!
JamesTMartin PM me if I haven't cleared it all up.
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Old 01-24-2013, 02:38 PM   #37
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So does RS66109BR9 still work for both 2 and 4 doors now that the optional front spacers were replaced with stiffer coils?

I've got a 2-door that I'm looking to level out after adding a winch and front bumper. If this kit works, it looks like an amazing deal with the shocks included.
So here is the info for the 2 door and 4 door:

2 door:
RS66108BR5 or RS66108BR9 - 2dr JK - 2" system - 2007-2013.

4 door:
RS66109BR5 / RS66109BR9 4dr JK 2007-2013


The difference in the kits:
RS66109 has a .75" spacer in the rear
RS66108 has a 1.75" spacer in the rear
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If you have a 2 door it shouldn't have been installed to begin with.
The instructions should say this....
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I was sent the 4 door kit. I ordered on Amazon and didn't have the option of selecting from the 2 door or 4 door kit! It just said it would fit my vehicle. What is the difference in the kits?
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I see now the 1.75" spacer! Can you mail me a pair Rancho?
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I'll mail you the .75's back when I change them out.
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I think Rancho would benefit letting the customer choose which shock. Not uncommon for people to run longer shocks with a small lift. You get the most out of the suspension.
That's the only thing that would hold me on that setup.
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I see now the 1.75" spacer! Can you mail me a pair Rancho?
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I think Rancho would benefit letting the customer choose which shock. Not uncommon for people to run longer shocks with a small lift. You get the most out of the suspension.
That's the only thing that would hold me on that setup.
I like to hear this feedback. I am meeting with engineers and some sales guys out at King of the Hammers and will pass it on.
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Just to clarify for everyone, here are the part numbers that correspond with the specific Jeep models and rancho shock

PART NUMBER RS66108BR5 (2 Door) - RS5000TM Shock Absorbers
PART NUMBER RS66109BR5 (4 Door) - RS5000TM Shock Absorbers

PART NUMBER RS66108BR9 (2 Door) - RS9000XLTM Shock Absorbers
PART NUMBER RS66109BR9 (4 Door) - RS9000XLTM Shock Absorber
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James, glad you were able to work this out. The front spacer has been a source of confusion in the past for others as well.

Rancho, glad you could join us. It's great to see more vendor support on this forum. I will say that I would have much rather had a 1.75 inch rear spacer for my four door if that is what was included in the two door kit. Also, the Amazon link I included in post #12 is for the four door kit. I had looked earlier and couldn't find the two door kit on Amazon.

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Thank you!!!
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James, glad you were able to work this out. The front spacer has been a source of confusion in the past for others as well.

Rancho, glad you could join us. It's great to see more vendor support on this forum. I will say that I would have much rather had a 1.75 inch rear spacer for my four door if that is what was included in the two door kit. Also, the Amazon link I included in post #12 is for the four door kit. I had looked earlier and couldn't find the two door kit on Amazon.

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Be careful ordering this kit from Amazon! Make sure you check the part numbers! I wish I would have researched more before I ordered...
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Be careful ordering this kit from Amazon! Make sure you check the part numbers! I wish I would have researched more before I ordered...
Got your PM and sent a e-mail to our guys!! FYI!
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Thanks! BTW, the shocks are awesome. Rides better than stock.
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Rancho >>
1. Did you guys take the varying stock coils into consideration when you came up with the spacers for the rear? The spacers will obviously work out much differently when used with #55 stock rear springs versus #59 or #60 rear springs, as there's an estimated 1" difference in those stock heights. (the numbers are the stock spring model numbers -- last two digits on the coil tags).

2. I have a friend with this kit who would REALLY like to replace your rear spacers with an actual set of coils. What rear coils would you recommend that pair well with the front end of your kit?
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1. Did you guys take the varying stock coils into consideration when you came up with the spacers for the rear? The spacers will obviously work out much differently when used with #55 stock rear springs versus #59 or #60 rear springs, as there's an estimated 1" difference in those stock heights. (the numbers are the stock spring model numbers -- last two digits on the coil tags).

2. I have a friend with this kit who would REALLY like to replace your rear spacers with an actual set of coils. What rear coils would you recommend that pair well with the front end of your kit?
1) Yes, we test fitted this system on various 2/4 models form the 2012/13 JK. I know I found a Sport 2/4dr (actually used Savvy Off Road's 2012 for a while) , and a Sahara and we already had a Rubicon on hand.

2) I am going to have to do some research on this... I don't know the answer off the top of my head.
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1) Yes, we test fitted this system on various 2/4 models form the 2012/13 JK. I know I found a Sport 2/4dr (actually used Savvy Off Road's 2012 for a while) , and a Sahara and we already had a Rubicon on hand.

2) I am going to have to do some research on this... I don't know the answer off the top of my head.
1. Ok, but how does your system account for that potential 1" difference in stock coil height?

2. Awesome! We're looking forward to what you can find out!

As you can probably guess, my friend has the shorter #55 stock rear coils -- which is why he wants to replace those, and your spacers, with some coils that work better with the rest of your kit.

I personally think it's a really bad idea to mix aftermarket and stock coils, and would suggest that Rancho consider offering a matching set of rear coils instead of rear spacers. The mixed system might work ok if all stock coils were the same size; but, unfortunately, they're not.

Throw in some good 'ole stock coil sag due to heavier 33" tires, wheels, and bumpers, and the whole thing becomes a rake-filled mess...
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I thought all coils were the same length and just the stiffness was the difference?
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I thought all coils were the same length and just the stiffness was the difference?
The only coil size measurement that really matters is their height when the Jeep is sitting still on a flat surface (ie. slightly compressed by the stationary body weight).

Ultimately, the difference between #55 and #60 amounts to about a 1" difference in height -- which is why so many Sport owners buy Rubi take-offs.

There is simply no way a 1.75" spacer, by itself, can account for that difference.

Matching rear coils, instead of spacers, would solve the problem completely.
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Rancho, is it possible to get us the 2" sport kit that amazon is selling but with the 29xl and 30xl shocks? If so this would be a great stepping stone for most of us that we can later use when building up our suspension.
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I like to hear this feedback. I am meeting with engineers and some sales guys out at King of the Hammers and will pass it on.
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I got the sizes. I was just wondering if he can work something out with hose longer shocks and the 2" sport kit for the price it's on amazon. I can't pick up the amazon kit because I have a 2 door and they only have the 4door kit
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I got the sizes. I was just wondering if he can work something out with hose longer shocks and the 2" sport kit for the price it's on amazon. I can't pick up the amazon kit because I have a 2 door and they only have the 4door kit
That's where I was going with my earlier post. The 0-2 are close to stock in length. A waste with 2"

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