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Old 04-16-2013, 04:10 PM   #61
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I might be reading the rebate wrong.....it says in my eyes
suspension kit with RS5000 shocks=30$ rebate
suspension kit with RS9000 shocks=100$ rebate
suspension kit and(meaning spate) 4 shocks totaling 500$-1499$=300$ rebate
suspension kit and 4 shocks totaling over 1500$=400$ rebate.
sounds like you need to buy the kit then the shocks to get the better rebate out of them???
Bingo. Nonetheless, its a steal. It would be better if it was instant rebate, then it would sell like hot cakes. At least Rancho gave us a pretty good amount of time to save up till the rebate expires.

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I might be reading the rebate wrong.....it says in my eyes
suspension kit with RS5000 shocks=30$ rebate
suspension kit with RS9000 shocks=100$ rebate
suspension kit and(meaning spate) 4 shocks totaling 500$-1499$=300$ rebate
suspension kit and 4 shocks totaling over 1500$=400$ rebate.
sounds like you need to buy the kit then the shocks to get the better rebate out of them???
So the low amounts are on our 2" SPORT system, FYI.
The others depend on what system you purchase with our shocks....


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What is your rear trackbar adjusted to?
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Edit: I saw post 35.... where you mentioned adjusting it.
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Rancho, I'm just curious as to which shocks I would choose for my '13 JKUR if I was to get your 3" lift? When I go on Amazon it says they won't fit my Jeep, which I'm sure isn't the case. Would I use the RS999329 or the RS999330? Thanks!
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Rancho, I'm just curious as to which shocks I would choose for my '13 JKUR if I was to get your 3" lift? When I go on Amazon it says they won't fit my Jeep, which I'm sure isn't the case. Would I use the RS999329 or the RS999330? Thanks!
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Ohhhh ok, thank you! I wasn't sure.
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Edit: I saw post 35.... where you mentioned adjusting it.
Ya, the manual says to adjust to 33.10" center to center. When I measured that out the adjustable end was unscrewed about half way out. That's how I originally mounted it. Then when I measured each side from outside tire to frame I found the front axle was almost an inch off to the left. The alignment is dead on now, but 33.1" is nowhere near close. I'm not sure what the actual measurement of the track bar is now but the adjustable end and nut are screwed all the way in as far as they can go (shortest possible). That seems to be good.
Also just like everyone has been saying, replace the stock track bar bolts with a 9/16-18 grade 8 sleeved bolts on the axle side and M14 on the frame side. I did this today and was shocked by the difference it made. Cost me around $13 from the local hardware store.
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So the low amounts are on our 2" SPORT system, FYI.
The others depend on what system you purchase with our shocks....

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Let me know when you hear back....
The support guy, Jack, received my pics and forwarded to his fitment engineer. Will send an update when I hear more. I'm starting to think its not the length but that my bar is just angled a tad too far forward. It's literally a millimeter or two too far forward that its hitting the frame bracket. If it was angled back a hair it would be fine. Right now on the road with everything aligned, new (correctly sized) bolts up front, tire pressure good, and shocks set to #2 up front, #3 in back, this baby handles awesome. Far better than stock. Just don't want to really test the suspension till the track bar is figured out. I absolutely love it and get a ton of compliments. The height is perfect. Now I'm just waiting for that $300 to show up
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Ok cool! Thanks for keeping us updated!
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The support guy, Jack, received my pics and forwarded to his fitment engineer. Will send an update when I hear more. I'm starting to think its not the length but that my bar is just angled a tad too far forward. It's literally a millimeter or two too far forward that its hitting the frame bracket. If it was angled back a hair it would be fine. Right now on the road with everything aligned, new (correctly sized) bolts up front, tire pressure good, and shocks set to #2 up front, #3 in back, this baby handles awesome. Far better than stock. Just don't want to really test the suspension till the track bar is figured out. I absolutely love it and get a ton of compliments. The height is perfect. Now I'm just waiting for that $300 to show up
Any updates on your track bar issue?
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Any updates on your track bar issue?
Just emailed him back for a status. I'll shoot Rancho a message on here also with the guys information to see if possibly he can reach out and apply some pressure.
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I have been re searching a lift for my 12 now. I think I have found a contender. One question though, you installed the aev brackets and said they hang down a little, would getting new lower adjustable arms do the same thing ??

thanks for the write up. Jeep looks great. I have been going back and forth between a 2.5 and a 3.5. I like the idea of a 3'' lift. Now the only question is 33 or 35. I am thinking 33 only because I dont want to re gear right away.

and with a 3'' lift, there is always room for 35's later.

Keep us posted on what you find out about the track bar.
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I have been re searching a lift for my 12 now. I think I have found a contender. One question though, you installed the aev brackets and said they hang down a little, would getting new lower adjustable arms do the same thing ??

thanks for the write up. Jeep looks great. I have been going back and forth between a 2.5 and a 3.5. I like the idea of a 3'' lift. Now the only question is 33 or 35. I am thinking 33 only because I dont want to re gear right away.

and with a 3'' lift, there is always room for 35's later.

Keep us posted on what you find out about the track bar.
No new control arms won't hang down any lower than the stock ones because they mount in the same locations. The brackets actually lower the mounting location on the frame side so that's why they hang lower. They're really not that bad and for the price compared to new control arms I think they're worth it, at least for me where my jeep is my daily driver. Eventually I'll go with new arms but not for a while. The front differential still hangs lower than the brackets so if you're going to hit anything, it'll be your front diff first.
As for tire size all I can say is if there's even a question in your mind, go 35s. It's a lot of money to spend and I guarantee you'll wish you went with the 35s if you go 33. Having had them on for a few weeks its amazing how even my 35s (34.75" actual mounted measurements) seem small now. If you have an automatic you may have no choice to regear but my 6sp with 321s is fine for a DD. I'll regear next spring at Bonus time but its more than acceptable as a DD as it is now. Now, don't get me wrong, a headwind really sucks nowadays, but even bone stock a 30mph headwind will have your pedal to the floor.
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Here's a few pics of the control arm (geometry correction) brackets. Total drop is 2" below the stock mount. The way they're built and mounted I think they could take a pretty decent hit and still hold up.
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Here's a few pics of the control arm (geometry correction) brackets. Total drop is 2" below the stock mount. The way they're built and mounted I think they could take a pretty decent hit and still hold up.
Did it make a huge improvement while on road?
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Thanks Jm,
I should have been a little more clear with my question, would having new adjustable control arms do the same job as the aev brackets you installed. But I can see from the picture they look like they move the upper and lower arms down to correct the lift angle.

As far as the tires, I think its going to be a while before I am able to re gear. I would love to go 35's up front, but I think, for me anyway. 33's will have to do for now. (maybe) lol

I can do the re gear myself, that will save money. But I am also puting money into the Tj too, so I have double the jeep projects. I want to give this a good head start for now until I get the tj where I want it..

The jeep looks good, keep up with the updates, looking forward to hearing about the completed results.
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Did it make a huge improvement while on road?
They honestly did. While correcting the caster and having some improvement on steering, the biggest noticeable difference is on bumps. It's a much softer ride over potholes, bridge gaps, etc.
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Thanks Jm,
I should have been a little more clear with my question, would having new adjustable control arms do the same job as the aev brackets you installed. But I can see from the picture they look like they move the upper and lower arms down to correct the lift angle.

As far as the tires, I think its going to be a while before I am able to re gear. I would love to go 35's up front, but I think, for me anyway. 33's will have to do for now. (maybe) lol

I can do the re gear myself, that will save money. But I am also puting money into the Tj too, so I have double the jeep projects. I want to give this a good head start for now until I get the tj where I want it..

The jeep looks good, keep up with the updates, looking forward to hearing about the completed results.
Right, they lower the angle of both, creating less shock over bumps. New control arms won't give you the same. Hey, for $99 they do what they're supposed to.
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Just ordered the 3'' sport and shocks. One question, how critical is the exhaust piece, can you get a pic of it ? Is this something I can fab in, or is it a custom fit piece.
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Just ordered the 3'' sport and shocks. One question, how critical is the exhaust piece, can you get a pic of it ? Is this something I can fab in, or is it a custom fit piece.
That's a great question. I went with the Rancho pipe. Honestly, you're gonna want to go with one of the various options, versus leaving it alone.
Now, to be brutally honest first, then give some awesome kudos to Rancho...
All honesty, I wasn't a fan of cutting a chunk out of my year old perfect condition exhaust just to gain what looks like .5 inch of drop. Seriously, .5" probably make the difference of you're driveshaft hitting or not. If I was to do it again, I'd probably try the spacer route like some of the other guys are selling. What these do is keep your exhaust in tact and just push the whole thing back a few inches which allows for enough extra drop that you won't rub. It's hard to say how much stress this may put on your hangers or issues you might run into over the rear axle, but you're not gonna have to remove the head pipe and cut a 20"+ section of pipe out.
Now, with the Rancho pipe, it fits good if you cut in the right spots, also keeps the rest of the exhaust where it should be.
All that said, I now am a true believer and supporter of Rancho. Since I started working with an engineer over my track bar issue, I'm confident I made the right choice with this lift over the other options I was considering. Yesterday he overnighted a new replacement bar with hardware to check if my bar was just bad. That bar was the same unfortunately. It turns out my rig may be "special" and I just require a shorter bar, so he's getting a custom one made up and sent out tomorrow. Rancho from the forum has been really helpful and supporting and engineering has been extremely responsive and accommodating. He even threw in a little gift for my troubles. He assures me he'll make it right and I don't have a doubt in my mind.

So congrats on your purchase! For the $60 I paid for the exhaust crossover pipe on amazon, I think it's worth the price vs trying to fabricate a new dip in the pipe with multiple bends and junctions. etc. This piece is mandrel bent and welded together to fit just right. Or try the spacers and return them or resell if they don't work out. But I think the piece of mind knowing you have something in place will give you comfort rather than being nervous that you might melt off the plastic boot on the stock exhaust with nothing

Send some pics when done.
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Thanks, I appreciate the info. I will probably get the spacer and be done with it.

As for the other issues you are having, I am glad to hear Rancho is stepping up to the plate to make things right. keep us posted on how you make out. I cant wait to get this in..
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Good to hear. Glad our guys were able to help.
One benefit of our cross over pipe (and it does take time to install as stated) is that with spacers (as mentioned) it pushes the system back. Which could get tricky if you do an after market exhaust system.

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That's a great question. I went with the Rancho pipe. Honestly, you're gonna want to go with one of the various options, versus leaving it alone.
Now, to be brutally honest first, then give some awesome kudos to Rancho...
All honesty, I wasn't a fan of cutting a chunk out of my year old perfect condition exhaust just to gain what looks like .5 inch of drop. Seriously, .5" probably make the difference of you're driveshaft hitting or not. If I was to do it again, I'd probably try the spacer route like some of the other guys are selling. What these do is keep your exhaust in tact and just push the whole thing back a few inches which allows for enough extra drop that you won't rub. It's hard to say how much stress this may put on your hangers or issues you might run into over the rear axle, but you're not gonna have to remove the head pipe and cut a 20"+ section of pipe out.
Now, with the Rancho pipe, it fits good if you cut in the right spots, also keeps the rest of the exhaust where it should be.
All that said, I now am a true believer and supporter of Rancho. Since I started working with an engineer over my track bar issue, I'm confident I made the right choice with this lift over the other options I was considering. Yesterday he overnighted a new replacement bar with hardware to check if my bar was just bad. That bar was the same unfortunately. It turns out my rig may be "special" and I just require a shorter bar, so he's getting a custom one made up and sent out tomorrow. Rancho from the forum has been really helpful and supporting and engineering has been extremely responsive and accommodating. He even threw in a little gift for my troubles. He assures me he'll make it right and I don't have a doubt in my mind.

So congrats on your purchase! For the $60 I paid for the exhaust crossover pipe on amazon, I think it's worth the price vs trying to fabricate a new dip in the pipe with multiple bends and junctions. etc. This piece is mandrel bent and welded together to fit just right. Or try the spacers and return them or resell if they don't work out. But I think the piece of mind knowing you have something in place will give you comfort rather than being nervous that you might melt off the plastic boot on the stock exhaust with nothing

Send some pics when done.
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One last update on the track bar issue from my 3" Sport lift. Rancho shipped me out a custom build, 5/8" shorter and this one works perfect. No rubbing, and axle is perfectly centered.
I was told he's having 30 more of this size built up just in case anyone else runs into this same issue. So if anyone is on the fence about this kit, don't be. It's an awesome kit, and Rancho will stand behind their product 100% and do whatever's needed till you're satisfied. Ive learned that first hand. They had the bar cut, welded, and powder coated same day, and even shipped out the new custom bar next day air, SATURDAY delivery (from CA to CT) so i could Install it today and drive for a few days before a long trip im taking next week. How freakin awesome is that? Amazing support for a lift that cost less than $600.
I also installed a Rancho 7000 steering stabilizer this morning. That's one strong shock! Much stronger than stock and bolts right onto the location. It keeps those heavy 35s from wandering and keeps the steering nice and tight. It also doesn't pull at all, unlike what others have reported about the Bilstein.

Feel free to PM me with questions.
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I LOVE it when a plan comes together!!!! :beer:
Just took the freedom panels off and throwing the kids in to run errands!!!
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Just took the freedom panels off and throwing the kids in to run errands!!!
Yup! This is definitely the weekend I'll be swapping the hard top for the soft top! It's Miller Time!
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The nice thing about having 2 jeeps is one is usually always topless and doorless.

Now on to more important things,
Just installed the rancho 3'' sport. Ordered it tuesday and came in friday, didnt pay extra for speedy shipping either.

First impression, kist looks good. Browsed through the manual and parts list. saw 4 springs and a bunchof other doo dads and said, yup, all here..

Wrong,
ranco guy they need to do some better qc at the packaging facility. Halfway into the rear install, I found there was no u bolt for the bracket. So off to the parts store to get one. Chilly in the Tj this morning.
So with that out of the way, the rear was finished pretty quick. I think thats why most of us get the rear done first.

So now onto the front. Everything went well, broke for lunch, getting everything buttoned up, saved the track bar for last. I ended up with an extra package of joints. And they doent fit into the track bar, so might end up building those adjustable control arms. cant let those joints go to waste.

All in all ground to fender before was 36 1/2 at the front and rear. When I finished, I ended up with 40 1/2 in the front and 39 1/2 in the rear. basically 4 inces in the front and 3 in the rear. I presume its to take out the rake ?? Josh did you measure yours before and after?

Installed the rs9000xl shocks, set them on 3. Took it out on the road, handled great. I couldnt tell from stock. And there are plenty of frost heaves still out and about.
then, to the dissapointment of the wife, we went wheeling. Gotta test the suspension I say.. She was not ammused. But off road handled great also. So far the look is good and handles great too. Have the duratrcks going on by next weekend. along with new wheels.

Now I need to install the flat flares. and send in the rebate info.

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Heres some pics. I also spoke with tech support today and sent in a bunch of pics to them also. Hoping i just received a tweaked bar or something. Will keep you updated. As an alternative i thought about notching out the frame bracket but shouldn't need to do that.
So after doing my install, and getting 2 days on it. My track bar is doing the same thing. Looks like I will need one of those bars too.
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The nice thing about having 2 jeeps is one is usually always topless and doorless.

Now on to more important things,
Just installed the rancho 3'' sport. Ordered it tuesday and came in friday, didnt pay extra for speedy shipping either.

First impression, kist looks good. Browsed through the manual and parts list. saw 4 springs and a bunchof other doo dads and said, yup, all here..

Wrong,
ranco guy they need to do some better qc at the packaging facility. Halfway into the rear install, I found there was no u bolt for the bracket. So off to the parts store to get one. Chilly in the Tj this morning.
So with that out of the way, the rear was finished pretty quick. I think thats why most of us get the rear done first.

So now onto the front. Everything went well, broke for lunch, getting everything buttoned up, saved the track bar for last. I ended up with an extra package of joints. And they doent fit into the track bar, so might end up building those adjustable control arms. cant let those joints go to waste.

All in all ground to fender before was 36 1/2 at the front and rear. When I finished, I ended up with 40 1/2 in the front and 39 1/2 in the rear. basically 4 inces in the front and 3 in the rear. I presume its to take out the rake ?? Josh did you measure yours before and after?

Installed the rs9000xl shocks, set them on 3. Took it out on the road, handled great. I couldnt tell from stock. And there are plenty of frost heaves still out and about.
then, to the dissapointment of the wife, we went wheeling. Gotta test the suspension I say.. She was not ammused. But off road handled great also. So far the look is good and handles great too. Have the duratrcks going on by next weekend. along with new wheels.

Now I need to install the flat flares. and send in the rebate info.

Brian
Sorry about the parts, that always sucks when youre deep into it and need to run out to the store. I wasn't short anything but did have a bunch of extras. I think that's because they probably use the same hardware kits for variety of lifts, like the 4" or Trail lift.
I didn't measure beforehand, but then again I swapped out a leveling kit at the same time. I'm currently at 41.5 up front and 40.5 in back. I also think the springs probably settled a bit over the past few weeks. Bumper and winch will soon be next which may drop it down a bit more... Not that I want it to, it's perfect how it sits!
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So after doing my install, and getting 2 days on it. My track bar is doing the same thing. Looks like I will need one of those bars too.
I wonder why some are different....

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