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Old 10-25-2013, 01:20 PM   #1
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Re-Geared? Results?

Have you re-geared? Post your results here. (All ratios).
Not sure anyone has noticed but "...gear?" appears on the JK forum as often as "twerk" does, well, everywhere. Make it stop! I suggest a gear thread with RESULTS from people who have actually re-geared. Only YOU can stop the same questions from appearing over and over.....
Please post your original set-up/ratio and new one (Ratio, year or engine, model, transmission, tires.) And as much as I am LOATHE to ask- your MPG. I only think about MPG when I am out of gas- but I guess its important to other people.
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Gear Calculator (thank you DERF, or Grimm?), gear chart and torque curve.
Let's try and keep it to the point- costs, parts, installs, rotational mass vs. the theory of relativity etc. can go on other threads.
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Old 10-25-2013, 02:37 PM   #2
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For me: 3.21s, 2012 3.6L, JK, auto, stock tires. Had 35" Toyos to put on with my lift; came across the 3.21 threads. Panicked at the weight and swapped them for much lighter 305/70/17 KM2s (about 33.5). Didn't do any good; engine lugged too much for me still. Lasted a couple of months this way...
Now: 4.56s, 35" BFG MTRs. Off-road performance is night and day. Awesome! Better than stock on the road- tons of pep. (No; I am not drag racing). Tranny now feels "right" and I've stopped staring at my RPMs. Yes- highway RPMs put you out of the green above 65 MPH with 4.56s- and your MPG will likely suffer as a result.
But to be clear- 2700 RPMs at 70 does NOT sound like a Honda, make you a "racer" or do terrible, horrible things to the engine. Please see the torque curve- flat as a pancake in this range. The Pentastar barely starts kicking up the extra power at this RPM. I don't recommend it - but if you were to close your eyes and stop looking at that green band- you wouldn't hear or feel any difference at 2500 or 2800. If its MPG you're concerned with I'd get 4.10s, (or) drive 65, or keep your Jeep stock. Otherwise get 4.56s and enjoy your Jeep again. IMO, or course.

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i have a 2012 six speed manual. 2.5" lift with 4.88 gears and 35x12.5x15 goodyear mtr's. i used an aev procal. i turn 2700 rpm's at 70 mph and average 15 - 15.5 mpg. oh yeah, did i mention i love this set up? i do!!!
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I'll also add this:
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2012 JK, 6 speed, 2.5" lift and 315/70R17 Duratracs, 4.56 gears and a Bully Dog programmer running the economy tune.

I did gears a week or so before getting the tires. The 4.56 gears were too much for the stock 255/75R17 tires. Once I stepped up to the Duratracs it was right about exactly where I wanted it to be. The computer likes 33.48" for the tire diameter with 4.56 gears to match the speedo to the GPS.

I live in the flatlands but we do have some mild rolling hills. With the original 3.21 gears and 255/75R17 tires I would have to downshift to 5th any time I went up even a slight grade or even on level ground with enough of a headwind. The combination of tires, gears and the programmer I'm able to hold 6th gear and even accelerate uphill when I'm on the freeway going 65-70+. 4.10's would probably still work and give me slightly better economy but since 4.56 gears are easier to find I'd highly recommend them for anyone going with a 35" tire.

As far as economy goes, I get in the 17's on most freeway runs. If I drive like a grandma on the back roads and keep it between 55-60 I can get that up into the 20's with no trouble at all. 6th gear isn't always the best gear at speeds that low but it's still better than the factory setup (3.21/32").
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When I first got it I had 32's and 3.73 gears. I got 21 MPG with it till I found out I had 47 psi in the tires.16 in town Then it dropped in the high teens at 28psi freeway. 75/80 was about 2500 rpm.
Then I got the 35 km2's at 28 psi. 14 around town but still in the mid to high teens on the freeway at 2200.
Now I have 4.56 on the KM2's Measured fillip with GPS backup. 81 miles of total freeway and used 3.84 gallons I got 21.1 at 2500 rpm and 65 mph. Around town Is 15. Not to bad. AEV pro cal and verified by gps and measured fill up mileage. The Trip computer said 21.1 and measured was 21.109 Pretty close.
Basically I am pretty much where I was stock and I'm happy with that with a 3.5 lift thrown in. I did slow down to 65 instead of 75 and does it drop when your not in the green. The wind and tune just like 65 and 2500 as a happy medium in mine.
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Happy to be of service.
I found it to be pretty accurate- and especially helpful since the chart only shows highway speeds.


(3.21/32").
Can you post the transmission & transfer case that should be used? Think I know but must ask the Grandmaster.
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(3.21/32").
Its very handy- the chart only shows highway speeds. And I've found it to be pretty accurate.
Can you please post the transmission and transfer case that should be used? I think I know but don't want to post incorrectly.
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2007-2011 auto = Dodge 42RLE

+2012 auto = Dodge NAG1

2007-2011 manual = NSG370 Close ratio

+2012 manual = NSG370 Close ratio....however...you must move the drop down box to "enter your own numbers" (after you have hit calculate), and change 6th gear from 0.84 to 0.79. Chrysler made a slight change to 6th gear on the manuals in 2012.
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I love that website...use it all the time.

2007-2011 auto = Dodge 42RLE

+2012 auto = Dodge NAG1

2007-2011 manual = NSG370 Close ratio

+2012 manual = NSG370 Close ratio....however...you must move the drop down box to "enter your own numbers" (after you have hit calculate), and change 6th gear from 0.84 to 0.79. Chrysler made a slight change to 6th gear on the manuals in 2012.
I was unaware of that. I'll add another entry this weekend.
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I was unaware of that. I'll add another entry this weekend.
Done. Now there's a 2012+ Jeep Wrangler entry for the NSG370
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Bumping my own thread because there are another 10 "what gear ratio?...." threads posted....and apparently no one knows how to use the Forum "search" feature.
Post your re-gear results Jeepers!
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Love love love it! Ran the new gears before the lift and bigger meats for a couple weeks. I wasn't liking the high RPM's and short shifts.

Everything evened out with the duratracs and all is right! I love it!

I'd do it over again exactly the same
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The 4.56 gears were too much for the stock 255/75R17 tires.
How so?
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How so?
First gear was basically useless. You'd be pushing way too many RPMs by the time you got halfway through the intersection. The couple of days I ran it like that I started off in 2nd gear and it worked great. Even with the 35's first gear does wrap out a lot sooner than I like but it's much better than with the stock tires.

Also, I was pushing too many RPMs on the freeway in 6th. Putting the 35's on dropped that down to a more reasonable level (roughly 2,500 at 70).
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quick question. will regearing also change the 4lo, 4hi for offroad duties? i love my 3.21's great gas mileage paired up with my 285/70/17 32's but thats about it. Offroad is horrible. i have to use 4lo to compensate for some steep climbs and i usually get left behind.
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quick question. will regearing also change the 4lo, 4hi for offroad duties? i love my 3.21's great gas mileage paired up with my 285/70/17 32's but thats about it. Offroad is horrible. i have to use 4lo to compensate for some steep climbs and i usually get left behind.
Absolutely... "Crawl ratio"
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Absolutely... "Crawl ratio"
hmm...front/rear bumper/tire carrier out the window. next big upgrade is front bumper and regear. thanks!
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quick question. will regearing also change the 4lo, 4hi for offroad duties? i love my 3.21's great gas mileage paired up with my 285/70/17 32's but thats about it. Offroad is horrible. i have to use 4lo to compensate for some steep climbs and i usually get left behind.
The gears in the transfer case operate independently from the axle gears.

Changing the axle gears won't change the difference between 4hi and 4lo. When you go to shorter gears (higher numerically) in the axle, it will affect both hi and low range the same. It's almost like having a permanent down shift in the transmission. Every gear feels lower when you swap in shorter gears.

Depending on how short you go with the gears it can significantly affect mileage.

If you like your 3.21s on the highway you may want to look into getting some kind of underdrive. It's a box that bolts between your transmission and transfer case and it gives you an extra hi/lo shifter. If you run both the t-case and underdrive in hi, it runs like normal hi. You can shift one or the other or both into low so you get 3 different combinations of low range.

I'm not sure if the Klune-V is still a good option but you can choose between 2.72:1 and 4:1 low range in their box. With a non-rubicon you can get the 4:1 and have a great combination of ratios. You can shift the transfer case into 4-lo with the Klune in hi and have the 2.72:1 of the stock case. You can run in 4-hi with the Klune in lo and have the 4:1. Or you can shift both into lo and get a 10.88:1 for really slow crawling.

Trouble is, I think it won't work with an automatic transmission because there's no way to tell the computer which low range you're in and it will mess up the shift points. But if you have a manual it would work just fine.

Swapping in a 4 speed Atlas transfer case would do the same thing. I'm putting one of those in my CJ project and running fairly tall gears in the axles considering the tires I'm running. I'll be able to run in combination low and crawl slower than just about anyone else while at the same time being able to get some great wheel speed in high range when I need it.
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hmm...front/rear bumper/tire carrier out the window. next big upgrade is front bumper and regear. thanks!
You an auto? If so, at the next SoCal meet n greet we'll introduce Dracula to Elvira. Drive Elvira with 4.56s and you'll forget all about MPG.
I am so much happier wheeling with 4.56s in SoCal. Rock crawling is the obvious benefit (still can't beat a Rubi transfer case though) but mountain climbs and descents are so much better. So nice to let the Jeep do the work. If all you're doing is fire roads then it's not much different; but everything else is better. Just depends on your priorities.
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Manual. Yes, I've been struggling through steep inclines and a regear would be a significant upgrade.
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Manual and the 3.8 here(4dr) running 33's, looking at regearing from 3.21 to 4.56.
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First gear was basically useless. You'd be pushing way too many RPMs by the time you got halfway through the intersection.
Gotcha. Would you say that it would be fine if you didn't have the 6-speed, though? I've got a '12 slushbox on 33's and thinking about 4.56's down the line. Assuming I'm not hard on the throttle when taking off, would it be shifting at the same RPM as it does now but just getting there sooner?
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Gotcha. Would you say that it would be fine if you didn't have the 6-speed, though? I've got a '12 slushbox on 33's and thinking about 4.56's down the line. Assuming I'm not hard on the throttle when taking off, would it be shifting at the same RPM as it does now but just getting there sooner?
Yep. The automatic makes everything easier. You'll be running high RPMs on the freeway but it's not outrageous. Something like 27-2800 at around 70 if I remember right.

You will like how you get a lot more of a feeling of power off the line that the shorter gears give you.

Just make absolutely sure you tell the computer about the gears and tires. It needs to know so it knows when to shift. If you don't you'll end up in limp home mode all the time.
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Yea, that's not a big deal, I'm almost never on the freeway. My daily commute is all 0-50mph. The Procal is what I assume I'll need to get a hold of to change the parameters in the ECU.
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Anyone running 35s and 4.88 gears with an automatic on the 3.6L?

I'm at a quandry whether to go with 4.56 or 4.88 gears. I do a lot of highway driving.

Currently have 35" MTRs (measure 34") with 4.10s. I'm really not thrilled with the performance of the 4.10/35" tire combo. Jeep is kinda sluggish (to me anyway).
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i am just going to go completely by feel. i have '13 jkur 6 speed (4.10) and if the 35s feel sluggish and i notice a difference off road and rock crawling then i will most likely go to 4.56 but i don't see myself going to 4.88.
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Anyone running 35s and 4.88 gears with an automatic on the 3.6L? I'm at a quandry whether to go with 4.56 or 4.88 gears. I do a lot of highway driving. Currently have 35" MTRs (measure 34") with 4.10s. I'm really not thrilled with the performance of the 4.10/35" tire combo. Jeep is kinda sluggish (to me anyway).
I guess I will be really disappointed if I go with 35" on my 2013 Sahara 2door (3:21 gears)
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I guess I will be really disappointed if I go with 35" on my 2013 Sahara 2door (3:21 gears)
Well, I have a 4 door and my personal feeling is that the 4.10/35 combo is okay for the short term, but not for the long term. Your results may vary.

I don't live in a flat area and find myself really putting my foot into the accelerator pedal when I need to move quickly. I also have an automatic, so maybe its better with a manual.
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Yea, that's not a big deal, I'm almost never on the freeway. My daily commute is all 0-50mph. The Procal is what I assume I'll need to get a hold of to change the parameters in the ECU.
That would work. There's other options too. I don't remember but I think there's a direct competitor to the ProCal. I used a BullyDog tuner to tweak the engine and a bunch of other things and it can set gear ratios and tire sizes just like the ProCal.
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2008 - 3.8L Automatic - 35" tires - stock 3.73 - geared to 5.13

In my opinion necessary for bigger tires. Highway cruising at 75MPH at 2300RPM, gained OD back and my "crawl" ratio. People who question it or say "I am running 3.73 with 35's fine" have no idea the benefit, night and day.

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