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Old 10-15-2011, 09:20 PM   #31
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There is a slight similarity, but


QUOTE=FOUR FLUSHER;1661331]First Picture[/QUOTE]



Mines "Yellow"

I thought you had to wait till tuesday ?

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Old 10-15-2011, 09:28 PM   #32
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Mines "Yellow"

I thought you had to wait till tuesday ?

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Dealer's delivering on Tuesday, pic taken in Roseville, looks like we're the same vintage, like the yellow

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Old 10-16-2011, 12:34 AM   #33
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I live in Toledo,OH where the jeep is made. In the Summer they hire kids to replace the normal employees that take vacation or layoffs. So yes, If you have one made in the summer it's probably gonna have more problems.

Are those "normal employees" the ones that Smoke Dope and get Sh!t faced on their lunch breaks and come back to work??

I'd probably be ok with the kids, given the option....
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That's the biggest issue....people who come out of Honda Accords and Toyota Camry's, etc. into a Jeep Wrangler are going to complain about everything. They drive bad, quality is bad, reliability is bad, fuel mileage is bad, and dealer service is bad. There is a reason the Honda Civic and Toyota Camry sell so well and are rated so highly in consumer reports, car & driver etc., it is because they are built right.

I have driven Wranglers since 1998 and have had numerous people ask me if they should buy one.....my first question EVERY time is...What are you driving now? Followed by, will you take the top and doors off? If they are driving a BMW or Honda I tell them NO!!! You will not be happy with a Jeep, or if they are the type who won't take the top AND doors off, I tell them NO!! You won't be happy with a Jeep.

They say one good day in a Jeep with the top and doors off makes up for the rest of the crap you put up with the rest of the year!!!!





I came from a 4runner (most recently)and many European cars and have to disagree. My jku Rubi is one of the first vehicles I have purchased with no rattles, gremlins, etc... And mine was built in the summer when all of the pothead losers were building them
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Well, it's time to share all that I've learned with the crew here on WF. I ordered my Wrangler way back the first week the order banks opened and got exactly what I wanted...or so I thought. Lets get right to the point: with 2300 miles on the clock, here are the problems.

* Roof leaked onto center console and into stereo

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Hardtop? Those 'freedom' tops must be installed in the proper sequence, thumbwheels snugged up and latches flipped. Unless there's a missing gasket, there shouldn't be any way to leak.

Your other items were relatively minor fit and QC problems that should have at least been caught by your dealer during PDI.
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I'm new to all this, and I don't have a place to even set the hard top down anywhere, not to mention putting the top back on is a pain; even the dealership couldn't put it back on correctly without their "hard top specialist" - my right door deal was ripped up, and the dealer replaced the seal and reattached the hard top at their cost (because the PO had NEVER removed the soft top from inside).
Our older Jeep YJ has a soft top, so we don't have any experience with the older hardtops. The JK has a factory rail that makes removal/reinstallation of the hardtop very easy. I'm not sure if the Freedom Top with the removable front panels has always been on the JK, but I think it's the standard hardtop now. The panels must be removed/reinstalled in the proper sequence, which just leaves a relatively light and easy to handle rear section. You and a friend can handle it, unless you have an aftermarket tire carrier to maneuver around. Three screws (2dr model) on each side, unsnap the wiper/washer connections, and lift the top off. To reinstall, there are locator studs to guide the top into place, insert the six screws into their captive nuts (don't overtighten), snap the washer/wiper connections back together, and then put the front panels back in.

We just set the hardtop on a pair of padded sawhorses, so the seals are a couple inches off the ground. For long-term storage, you might look at racks made specifically for hardtop storage.
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I came from a 4runner (most recently)and many European cars and have to disagree. My jku Rubi is one of the first vehicles I have purchased with no rattles, gremlins, etc... And mine was built in the summer when all of the pothead losers were building them
My god sir, run down and buy a lottery ticket!!! :-).
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Our older Jeep YJ has a soft top, so we don't have any experience with the older hardtops. The JK has a factory rail that makes removal/reinstallation of the hardtop very easy. I'm not sure if the Freedom Top with the removable front panels has always been on the JK, but I think it's the standard hardtop now. The panels must be removed/reinstalled in the proper sequence, which just leaves a relatively light and easy to handle rear section. You and a friend can handle it, unless you have an aftermarket tire carrier to maneuver around. Three screws (2dr model) on each side, unsnap the wiper/washer connections, and lift the top off. To reinstall, there are locator studs to guide the top into place, insert the six screws into their captive nuts (don't overtighten), snap the washer/wiper connections back together, and then put the front panels back in.

We just set the hardtop on a pair of padded sawhorses, so the seals are a couple inches off the ground. For long-term storage, you might look at racks made specifically for hardtop storage.
The Yj or Tj tops are less likely to leak. With the addition of the panels there is more vulnerable areas. Also the was they designed the top IMO is poor. Unlike earlier models the seals are exposed, if something is not aligned right or a seal is messed up--your possibly going to get some leaking.

Been lucky so far, then again I bought a 07 where all the kinks have been worked out
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thats the exact same thing I ordered back in June... most dealers down here just do not get that combination together..
Or are you just taking a pic with my jeep there.
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I live in Toledo,OH where the jeep is made. In the Summer they hire kids to replace the normal employees that take vacation or layoffs. So yes, If you have one made in the summer it's probably gonna have more problems.
and you just say this?
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My 2011's passenger seat was not bolted in and I had leaks from day one.
The dealer made the leaks worse, instead of one leak I ended up with five.
My paint in certain areas is like braille in areas, I tried reading it hoping for a secret Jeep message.

After 5 attempts and 25 days with the dealer I am getting a replacement.
Had I read this forum before I probably could have fixed the leaks myself.
The dealer made the problem worse and scratched my Jeep up in numerous areas while trying to "fix" the problem.
Seems that the standard "protocol" is to have a third party contractor who is the "leak specialist" come in three times a week and "fix" leaks.

Do yourself a favor and just read the forums and fix your leaks yourself.
Most people do not have leaks, so it seems correct adjustments will rectify a leaky top.
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I just spit up some morning coffee while reading this...lol
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My 2012 JKU Rubicon has been solid so far. No flaws and everything feels rock solid. No leaks, creaks, tings, etc....Have 600 miles on it so far and flawless. Hope it continues.
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You're probably right. I am on my way to get one now.
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sounds like this one fell off the truck. It happens.
I don't think you're too far off base. Between the bumpy paint and overspray on the fenders, it sounds like this jeep was repaired before it ever made it to the dealership. Or maybe it was the dealership that made the repairs.
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Hardtop? Those 'freedom' tops must be installed in the proper sequence, thumbwheels snugged up and latches flipped. Unless there's a missing gasket, there shouldn't be any way to leak.

Your other items were relatively minor fit and QC problems that should have at least been caught by your dealer during PDI.
Yes, it's a hardtop, but your statement couldn't be further from the truth. They are known to leak so bad, they have a comprehensive leak manual from jeep- i'd post the link but I'm on my phone and it's on my pc. Also, i was there when it rolled off the carrier- no repairs at dealer, this was 100 percent factory.
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Wranglers are built in the factory at about 80 vehicles per hour.
The workers get paid no matter what they do right or wrong.
They simply dont care that much.
I love my Jeep but the quality is horrible.

Thats just the way things r now......
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Wranglers are built in the factory at about 80 vehicles per hour.
The workers get paid no matter what they do right or wrong.
They simply dont care that much.
I love my Jeep but the quality is horrible.

Thats just the way things r now......
A testimony to the fine UAW labor agreements that lazy management has agreed to over the decades because of the hostage situation that they have over our struggling and handicapped auto industry. It's not just a factor of wages/benefits because there auto worker here costs less than the auto workers anywhere in Europe yet those companies are making money (and good products) and in some cases have made enough to buy our companies (e.g. - Chrysler).

Personally I don't understand the need for the union as it exists today. Management provides and would without a union, fair wages and benefits and the companies performance would provide job security. Everyone would have a stake in the success or failure and suffer or enjoy from the results. That is not the case today unless you have a worker that doesn't hide behind the protection of the union rules. The people I talk to say that the union only serves to protect the "bad" workers... And to pad its own pockets. Have you seen the newish UAW HQ on the water with a multimillion dollar campus in Detroit?? Gimme a break!
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Hey guys,

Thanks for the words and support (though I wish one of you was Mike Manly from Jeep).

The only issues I realized on the dealer lot after looking at it for over 40 minutes were the paint; they're response was, "No problem, leave it here. Our guy (fill in jabroni name) will grind those spots off and repaint them; you'll hardly notice it was even there". I said no thanks, I could live with them, but still not happy it's f'd from the factory.

All the other items didn't happen until I had about 100 miles on it (as it was perfect until then). Then the tranny noise, the leaks, the rattles. I noticed the door gasket seal after it started leaking, as it's not very noticeable unless your searching for leaks.

The dealer's response was basically; "It's a Jeep, they all do this, but we can take a look'.

I just posted this so that someone who expects a 'new level' of quality for Chrysler, with all their flashy new commercials and great ads, should know it's the same old crap for their true flagship icon, the Wrangler (which, like a red-headed step-child, I still love).
Jeep, like all the big 3, still have a lot of legacy garbage still in the pipeline as far as process problems go. Under new leadership this issues will get resolved in time but it won't happen overnight and at a pace that would make the consumers happy who get a bad one. Keep writing and calling until you get the level of attention you want to deal with an issue that should not have left the factory.

Clearly this bad vehicle was built at a time like a Friday afternoon with new processes and/or people that opened the door for these issues to happen. It can happen in any business and any good business will make this right up to including offering replacement.

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Hey guys,

Thanks for the words and support (though I wish one of you was Mike Manly from Jeep).

The only issues I realized on the dealer lot after looking at it for over 40 minutes were the paint; they're response was, "No problem, leave it here. Our guy (fill in jabroni name) will grind those spots off and repaint them; you'll hardly notice it was even there". I said no thanks, I could live with them, but still not happy it's f'd from the factory.

All the other items didn't happen until I had about 100 miles on it (as it was perfect until then). Then the tranny noise, the leaks, the rattles. I noticed the door gasket seal after it started leaking, as it's not very noticeable unless your searching for leaks.

The dealer's response was basically; "It's a Jeep, they all do this, but we can take a look'.

I just posted this so that someone who expects a 'new level' of quality for Chrysler, with all their flashy new commercials and great ads, should know it's the same old crap for their true flagship icon, the Wrangler (which, like a red-headed step-child, I still love).
Jeep, like all the big 3, still have a lot of legacy garbage still in the pipeline as far as process problems go. Under new leadership these issues will get resolved in time but it won't happen overnight and at a pace that would make the consumers happy who get a bad one. Keep writing and calling until you get the level of attention you want to deal with an issue that should not have left the factory.

Clearly this bad vehicle was built at a time like a Friday afternoon with new processes and/or people that opened the door for these issues to happen. It can happen in any business and any good business will make this right up to including offering replacement.

I have several calls, emails and web filed request for customer service have gone unanswered. I get the "we will get back to you" response and weeks later still nothing. Chrysler is still broken but trying to make strides in the right direction.


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I have a 2012 JKU that was built in July. So far, only two issues. Driver door panel armrest has large bubble and the driver seat creaks with every bump. Dealer has order parts so hopefully this will be taken care of. Other than that its been great !
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Well, it's time to share all that I've learned with the crew here on WF. I ordered my Wrangler way back the first week the order banks opened and got exactly what I wanted...or so I thought. Lets get right to the point: with 2300 miles on the clock, here are the problems.

* Roof leaked onto center console and into stereo
Yep! Happens!

* Rolled off semi with chunks under the paint (aka junk in the paint) on
several spots; makes paint sharp and pointy (added security?)
Tree Branches will remove that for you

* Over-spray on fenders
See above

* Loud bearing sounds come from auto tranny when cold (between
1200-1400 rpm) sounds as if something internally is loose.
Get that checked

* Recovery hooks scratched-up from factory.
Gonna be worse when you use them

* Driver door barely closes (needs to be man-handled)
Adjust the hinges

* Windshield/door gasket installed incorrectly at factory (misformed, sticks
out of the door jamb)
You can fix that

* Rear head-rest on passenger side won't fold down
PB Blaster or push harder

* Vibrating noise comes from dash.
It's real easy to take off and check it out. Chrysler guys like to smoke pot and drink beer at lunch. There is a video out there somewhere.

* Underbody pre-rusted (thanks, no charge)
Get used to that. The whole thing will be rusted in a few years.
Alot of your complaints are fixable by you. Get the tranny looked at though.

It has been said. It's a jeep. Even 40 whatever thousand dollar rubi's do it too.
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Well let me say I'm new to Jeep and Ive only had mine for a month but Im loving it and have had only one problem... actually more of a nuisance.

"When I turn the jeep off I hear a squeaky noise I assume it normal as if the belt turns a time or two more after its shut off. If not that's why I have the extended warranty they'll fix it."

I still love this Jeep a big change from my Volvo.

If your not going to get it muddy, or wet inside and out or take it off roading or take the top off then dont buy a Jeep. I live in New Mexico lots of roads that are not up to snuff for honda civics and such.

All one color TAN 2012 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Sahara 4 door.

I paid extra but I also got the under body rust protection (black rubbery stuff under carriage), if it rusts before 100,000 they'll fix it !! I have that in writing.
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Alot of your complaints are fixable by you. Get the tranny looked at though.

It has been said. It's a jeep. Even 40 whatever thousand dollar rubi's do it too.
Agreed but why would anyone have to fix blunders from the factory?? This isn't the 70's and the old saying of "let the dealer fix it" are mostly extinct. Chrysler needs to know of the issues so they can presumably attempt to get to the root cause.
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Yeah I get it, but scratches on the tow hooks? Really? Door Hinges are easy, Paint, meh, I'd be upset.

And all they got are 3/36 on them. If you bought the extended warranty, it doesn't cover anything. Gonna have to get used to a little rust, especially on the frame (Black spray paint works just fine), and how to do little things to keep it going. Hell I broke my 4wd trans case cable this weekend. 38 cent part and the dealer wants 600 bucks to put it in. I am going to do it myself and make it stronger. Got to learn these things, or at least try them.

That stupid plastic clip by the way. What a waste.
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Well, it's time to share all that I've learned with the crew here on WF. I ordered my Wrangler way back the first week the order banks opened and got exactly what I wanted...or so I thought. Lets get right to the point: with 2300 miles on the clock, here are the problems.

* Roof leaked onto center console and into stereo

* Rolled off semi with chunks under the paint (aka junk in the paint) on
several spots; makes paint sharp and pointy (added security?)

* Over-spray on fenders

* Loud bearing sounds come from auto tranny when cold (between
1200-1400 rpm) sounds as if something internally is loose.

* Recovery hooks scratched-up from factory.

* Driver door barely closes (needs to be man-handled)

* Windshield/door gasket installed incorrectly at factory (misformed, sticks
out of the door jamb)

* Rear head-rest on passenger side won't fold down

* Vibrating noise comes from dash.

* Underbody pre-rusted (thanks, no charge)

Let me say that I understand there are going to be 'Jeep things' (this is my 2nd Jeep), such as grinding noises when you shift into 4L and greater wind noise, etc. There are also things that you can't let pass by, after shelling out over $31,000. If I had just laid out $3000 for an old beater, no problem, but not a Jeep with 2 miles on it. The best part is that Jeep/Fiat has a slogan printed on the top of the build sheet that says something like, "Our goal is to deliver the highest quality vehicles in the world". I completed the Jeep survey and gave my email and phone (several weeks ago); no reply as they stated. The other awesome part is that all the problems, were already on multiple choice boxes; thanks for knowing about all these problems, but refusing to fix them. After waiting forever for my Jeep to get through VASC and all the other supposed quality control checks along the build, it still came off the line with all these problems. My girlfriend's Compass was flawless, why skimp on the icon?
Maybe she was built by one of those dope smokers after thier lunch break.
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I'm new to all this, and I don't have a place to even set the hard top down anywhere, not to mention putting the top back on is a pain; even the dealership couldn't put it back on correctly without their "hard top specialist" - my right door deal was ripped up, and the dealer replaced the seal and reattached the hard top at their cost (because the PO had NEVER removed the soft top from inside).
WOW, sounds like my JKU, PO never even opened the boxes that the rest of the soft top kit used. I did pop the top off and lifted it high enough (With the help of my wife friend) to get the soft top out. No damage to any parts and the top sat right back in place. No leaks or anything. Can't wait to have spring come back and take the hard top all the way off and use the soft top.
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If it makes anyone feel better, I'm not having any of these problems, or absolutely any other problem with my 2012 wrangler.

I do notice the soft top on the drivers side doesn't fold into the door seal exactly like it ought to without help, I'll probably have a separate post on that...but it's hardly a QC issue, more just a slight form issue of one soft top window.

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