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Old 08-26-2014, 09:55 AM   #1
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I'm new here but not new to forums. I am a complete newbie to jeeps. I need some help on buying a new toy.

I currently own a Rhino. Time for something new. I was thinking about buying a new RZR. A 4 seat XP1000. But I have started thinking. I am getting older and I don't go out as much due to the weather. It's either too hot, too cold or raining. So a jeep popped into my head. I could take it out anytime.

I am thinking I want a 4 door jeep. I have a family of 6 and would like the extra space. It will be a toy and not a daily driver. But I don't want to get carried away. I am thinking a 2010 to 2014 jeep. Then add a lift kit and larger tires. My buddy said get a Rubicon because it has lockers and a few other upgrades. Is this true? I want an automatic. I have been reading on here for a few hours and I will continue to do so. But I wanted to get some advice as to what I should look for when buying. I will be doing dirt roads and trails. Not much rock crawling or anything like that. Thank you.

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If you are not crawling rocks or more than mid-moderate level trails, the offroad toys on a Rubicon may not get much use. A Sport or Sahara with 3.73 LSD is a truly capable rig and would be a great match for some 33s - bonus is you wouldnt even need a lift, but some folks do a level or small body boost.

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If you have the option, I'd say ya, get a Rubicon. All the Wrangler models are very capable but the Rubicon has extras installed from the factory that makes things easier. I'd also recommend you get a 2013 or newer, with the Pentastar engine. I'm sure there will be lots of people chiming in with their opinions so good luck in your search for info.

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Old 08-26-2014, 10:10 AM   #4
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Thank you for the responses. I think I want to get the Rubicon. Who knows what I might end up doing with it. I would rather have the options than regret it later. Does that make sense?
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Hopefully I can't find a good off-road shop here in So. Cal. That can do all the work for me. I like turnkey. I'm not a do it yourself type guy. Lol.
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You can put the same options a rubicon has aftermarket for cheaper if you really feel you need them. I say save your cash unless you really want your electronic doo dads.
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I was mainly worried about lockers. Doesn't the Rubicon come with Lockers? Also lower gears, skid plates and the disconnecting sway bar?
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After a few hours looking at pics here in the build threads. I am thinking 33 or 35 inch tires.
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I was mainly worried about lockers. Doesn't the Rubicon come with Lockers? Also lower gears, skid plates and the disconnecting sway bar?
The rubicon comes with lockers, but if you add bigger tires you may want to regear. Then you could add lockers when you regear.

If you regear and add lockers to a sport, the main difference between your rig and a Rubi would be the transfer case and the front axle.
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The rubicon comes with lockers, but if you add bigger tires you may want to regear. Then you could add lockers when you regear.

If you regear and add lockers to a sport, the main difference between your rig and a Rubi would be the transfer case and the front axle.
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If you want a Rubicon, get it. Period. You haven't indicated that cost is a big deal so get a Rubi. I didn't because I knew exactly what I wanted and chose the Willys Wheeler because it had the Rubicon bits I wanted and did not have the Rubi bits I didn't want (specifically: 4.0:1 transfer case and 4.10 rear end.) For what I do with my Jeep, a 2.72 tc and 3.73 rear end are perfect for first gear crawling with 32s or 33s; every time I borrow a friends Rubi I am reminded that I'm glad I have the 4Lo gearing I have.

But, sounds like you don't really know that much about what you want yet, and want to get the performance top dog just in case, so do it. No harm in that at all. You might find out later that you overspent for what you need, but you can get more back on resale for a Rubi also, so no harm there.

Another option: wait. Read. Read some more. Test drive (including at least taking them off-road in 4Hi and 4Lo, even if you're not "off-roading.") The more you educate yourself with a variety of opinions from a number of sources, the more likely you are to have a better idea of what you really want out of your Wrangler. Then you may find that it IS a Rubicon, or not. But you'll get answers on this forum that basically boil down to:

1) I bought a Rubicon, and you need one because it has Features A-thru-Z and you want to have those.

2) I bought a Sport or Sahara, and you DON'T need a Rubicon because they're a waste of money and you're just going to replace all that Rubicon stuff if you get serious anyway, and if you don't get serious you're not going to need it so why pay for it.

Hard to wade through all of it.

FWIW, my friend with the Rubicon is the original owner of a 2006 LJ with 35" MT tires, a 3" lift with 1.5" body lift, a nice shiny red HiLift on the aftermarket rear bumper, a very expensive 12,000# Warn winch on the aftermarket front bumper. The first time we went out together this spring he didn't know what the Lockers did, nor what the E-Discos did, nor why you would use either one. And I'm cool with that -- he wanted it to look a certain way, and he wanted to feel the reassurance that he "could do anything" with that Jeep if he needed to. And he has the money to not care one bit about the cost to get what he wanted. But he actually "needed" a Rubicon like he needed a Gulfstream G5.
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Money is not a big issue for me. But if I find a good deal on a sport I will get it and add the lockers later when I do the lift and regear. But I am going to look for a Rubicon.

Any options I should look for? I know I want an automatic.
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Might I suggest that a new Sport S or Willys for 3-year-old Rubicon money shouldn't be ignored either. Leaves lots of warranty, which many people report needing every bit of during their Wrangler ownership.

* Hasn't been the case with any of my 4 Jeeps so far -- but I'm only 3200 miles into the Wrangler experience.
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I will look at the new Sport S.
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Just get the rubicon, you say money is no issue, it's just a toy as you say, your not a do it yourselfer, as you state. So a man who's buying a toy generally wants the most expensive toy. So get the JKU With every option you can. Have the dealer add a stage 3 lift and swap out the tires, that way when you pick it up you can drive it the way you want it to look.
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If you want a Rubicon, get it. Period. You haven't indicated that cost is a big deal so get a Rubi. I didn't because I knew exactly what I wanted and chose the Willys Wheeler because it had the Rubicon bits I wanted and did not have the Rubi bits I didn't want (specifically: 4.0:1 transfer case and 4.10 rear end.) For what I do with my Jeep, a 2.72 tc and 3.73 rear end are perfect for first gear crawling with 32s or 33s; every time I borrow a friends Rubi I am reminded that I'm glad I have the 4Lo gearing I have.

But, sounds like you don't really know that much about what you want yet, and want to get the performance top dog just in case, so do it. No harm in that at all. You might find out later that you overspent for what you need, but you can get more back on resale for a Rubi also, so no harm there.

Another option: wait. Read. Read some more. Test drive (including at least taking them off-road in 4Hi and 4Lo, even if you're not "off-roading.") The more you educate yourself with a variety of opinions from a number of sources, the more likely you are to have a better idea of what you really want out of your Wrangler. Then you may find that it IS a Rubicon, or not. But you'll get answers on this forum that basically boil down to:

1) I bought a Rubicon, and you need one because it has Features A-thru-Z and you want to have those.

2) I bought a Sport or Sahara, and you DON'T need a Rubicon because they're a waste of money and you're just going to replace all that Rubicon stuff if you get serious anyway, and if you don't get serious you're not going to need it so why pay for it.

Hard to wade through all of it.

FWIW, my friend with the Rubicon is the original owner of a 2006 LJ with 35" MT tires, a 3" lift with 1.5" body lift, a nice shiny red HiLift on the aftermarket rear bumper, a very expensive 12,000# Warn winch on the aftermarket front bumper. The first time we went out together this spring he didn't know what the Lockers did, nor what the E-Discos did, nor why you would use either one. And I'm cool with that -- he wanted it to look a certain way, and he wanted to feel the reassurance that he "could do anything" with that Jeep if he needed to. And he has the money to not care one bit about the cost to get what he wanted. But he actually "needed" a Rubicon like he needed a Gulfstream G5.
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If you're going to get a Rubicon, then get the Hard Rock Rubicon. Otherwise, get the Willys Wheeler.
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I'm a little confused on the Willy. What is this? Is there a website that states the difference between each model?
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You should be able to go to jeep.com and look at the differences there. There were no changes between the 14 and 15 Willys, just the audio changes that are on every 2015.
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Also after looking at pics here. I think I want to add a lift with 35" tires. Will I need to regear with the Rubicon? I know I will have to regear with the sport.
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Regear will just depend on whether or not YOU like it and where you live. Lots of people think the 4.10 you can get with a Rubi are fine. Others think you HAVE to change them. If you live in flats, you might be happy. If you live in hills/mountains, you may feel like it has to change.
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Being that this is a TOY, and money isn't an issue. Get the Rubicion....especially if you are looking at bigger wheels (get 4.10's up front). A possible re-gear will indeed depend on where you live, how heavy your wheels/tires are, and how you drive the vehicle.

If money IS an issue...and/or you know you probably won't get into a lot of hard-core stuff....get a Willys off the lot....or a Sport S.

BTW, a Willys is a Sport with Rubi wheels, Rails rails, springs (and a few pre-selected options like LSD, Connectivity, and 3.73's).
Or you could get a Sport and add that stuff from craigslist, but the Willys puts it all together for you.
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I went to the jeep website. I think I understand the different models.

The Rubicon will get me lockers, lower gears, heavy duty transfer case, upgraded axles and electronic sway bar release.

I know I want lockers. If I get a sport I will need to regear for sure with 35" tires. I could also do the lockers.

How important are the upgraded axles, transfer case and electronic release sway bar?

Like I said money isn't a big issue but I don't like to waste it. But I don't mind spending it to get what I need or want.

Thanks again everyone.
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The upgraded axles will be better for the larger tires. Also on Lockers I understand it is not the best thing to lock a D30 on the other models. Oh and biggest difference....THE RUBICON STICKER!

The TC will be useful if playing in rocks.
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If you really want the lockers, get the Rubicon with 4.10's.

Only the front axle is upgraded, and it has the same weak spot as the D30....so not a "huge" deal..but nice to have if you are going with larger wheels. The transfer case however is a big deal if you are doing serious off-roading. The ediscos are very convenient.

People here get by with 3.73's and 35's. It may not be perfect, but it is possible. Hell, dealers sell Jeeps off the lot with 35's and 3.21's to unsuspecting buyers.

Again, if money isn't an issue, and this is more of a toy, I can't see any reason why you would not get a Rubi unless you planned on stripping everything out and going to 37's on D60's with an Atlas or something.
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I purchased the rubi because I liked the looks of it better. Didn't really care about the off road capabilities as I won't be off road much. This could change in the future and having all the options is better than not having them if money isn't an issue.
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I purchased the rubi because I liked the looks of it better. Didn't really care about the off road capabilities as I won't be off road much. This could change in the future and having all the options is better than not having them if money isn't an issue.
The Rubicon "looks" just like every other Jeep other than the sticker and whčels/tires? I could change those out and put a Sport sticker on it and 99.99999% of the people in the universe would have no idea it was a Rubicon underneath.
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Just get a sport and truck it out. You'll save a ton of money versus going the rubicon route
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This is a easy one to answer, just buy the Rubicon, and never look back....

See how easy it is to spend somebody else s money.........

There are many that have purchased a Wrangler model, other than a Rubicon. Many of them have stated after the purchase, that they were sorry that they didn't spend the extra money, and get the Rubicon up front!

But there are very few that have said, that they were sorry that they purchased the Rubicon, the first time around!

Ask yourself this question. If I purchase a non-Rubicon model, and pull up to a stop light, and look over at a Rubicon parked next to me, am I then going to say, WOW, did I ever make a big mistake..........

Only you can answer that question......
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I was mainly worried about lockers. Doesn't the Rubicon come with Lockers? Also lower gears, skid plates and the disconnecting sway bar?
The e-disco is rubbish. Submerge the assembly, and it will likely be inoperative within no time. It's a good concept, just bad implementation of the design.

But, the Rubicon does have the better transfer case (4:1 crawl ratio) and the lockers aren't bad. However, there have been quite a few people on this board complain that the lockers malfunction (won't disengage).

I bought a Rubicon first. Traded it in; now I have a Sport. If I had to do it over again, I would gone with the Sport first and built it up with aftermarket. 4.88 Yukon R&P, Eaton e-Lockers or Detroit Truetracs (not sure on which I would want more), and manual swaybar discos. I guess it wouldn't have been so bad if the Rubicon was a 4-door. I probably would have kept it, although I don't know if I needed it.

You could always install the transfer case some time down the road if you really, really need it (you only do if you rock crawl). It's about $2g for the part, plus labor. You would probably need to take it to dealer to reflash ECU.

My advice: get the Sport. Take her off-roading. If you encounter a limitation, then upgrade a part or parts. Isn't that really one of the best parts of having a Jeep --- wrenching on her, then taking her back out to conquer an obstacle?

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