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Old 08-24-2014, 11:01 AM   #1
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Recovery Gear: Minimum acceptable limits

I'm putting together a Recovery Bag. I see a wide variety on "limits" when looking at straps, chains, D Rings, shackles, snatch blocks, hooks, etc.

What should I be using as a "minimum limit" when purchasing? I assume a recovery system is only as strong as its "weakest link" so to speak.

So what good is a strap rated for 10,000pounds if the shackle it's connected to is only rated for 5,000, I guess is what I'm trying to ask.

As usual, any and all advice is greatly appreciated.

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For example, I use these Green Spansets as tree anchors for repelling, rock climbing, slacklining, etc.

Rated at 5,500 lbf, would this be an acceptable tree protector for winch recovery using a snatch block?

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Also, when using shackles is it better to pull "in line" with the pin? Or perpendicular to the pin in the rounded section only?
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I purchased a tow strap. 30ft

3,300 lb "work load" , 10,000 lb break strength. Is this acceptable for a jeep, or more for an ATV?
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I purchased a tow strap. 30ft

3,300 lb "work load" , 10,000 lb break strength. Is this acceptable for a jeep, or more for an ATV?
Well given that mine weighs 3400 lb stock... I would say no.
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The number Ive heard is 1.5 x they weight of your rig. If your JKU tips the scales at 4k ( a guess) you would need 6k lb recovery equipment as a minimum. I generally try and double the weight for straps and recovery stuff for my off road adventures.
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Sounds like I need to upgrade my Trimax hitch pin? Only rates to 5,800
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The number Ive heard is 1.5 x they weight of your rig. If your JKU tips the scales at 4k ( a guess) you would need 6k lb recovery equipment as a minimum. I generally try and double the weight for straps and recovery stuff for my off road adventures.
It depends how bad you're stuck. If you're 'stuck' up to your rim, 0.5 x rig weight. If your stuck up to axles, 2x rig weight. If you're stuck on your frame, 3x rig weight.

Get a 3/4 or 7/8 nylon 'bubba' rope or similar with 20k+ lbs breaking strength and you should be fine. Get the best shackles you can afford...

Disclaimer: I have no clue what I'm talking about...
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Well given that mine weighs 3400 lb stock... I would say no.
Obviously I understand that 3,400 is more than 3,300, but I believe more goes into it than just that.

I'm not planning to lift the vehicle straight into the air with the tow strap. Pulling a rolling vehicle is different than lifting an object.

I guess I am trying to figure out what that equation is, barring outside variables. Mud Vs concrete etc.
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Just go over kill.

I bought a 12000 lb warn winch. A 24000 snatch, and 12000 tree saver and strap. Aside from the winch, I didn't pay much extra for the equipment and I feel much more safe
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Yeah, as an engineer, I like to err on the side of caution. The cost difference between 3,300 and 6,000 isn't much.
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Yeah, as an engineer, I like to err on the side of caution. The cost difference between 3,300 and 6,000 isn't much.
Erring on the side of caution definitely sounds like the best idea and I do appreciate the feedback. This is why I'm asking before purchasing. I want to make sure I'm not overlooking any common "weak points" in recovery scenarios. Ie hitch pins, d links, straps etc
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I haven't bought any of this stuff yet either. I'm hoping some experienced jeepers chime in.
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Yeah, as an engineer, I like to err on the side of caution. The cost difference between 3,300 and 6,000 isn't much.
Following this advice, I just bought a Recovery strap with 10,000lb work load and 30,000lb break strength.
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Obviously I understand that 3,400 is more than 3,300, but I believe more goes into it than just that.

I'm not planning to lift the vehicle straight into the air with the tow strap. Pulling a rolling vehicle is different than lifting an object.

I guess I am trying to figure out what that equation is, barring outside variables. Mud Vs concrete etc.
In winching your vehicle from a stuck position, it is possible to exert more force pulling than the weight of the vehicle itself. Plus, the ratings that have been mentioned are for static forces. Dynamic forces, as in shock loads, can be substantially higher than a steady state pulling load.

The working load vs. breaking strength mentioned above (3,300 lbs. vs. 10,000 lbs.), implies a factor of safety of three. That sounds good, but is only a moderate factor of safety when taking into account dynamic or shock loads. If the different components have a breaking strength of 10,000 and the winch can pull that hard, there is some chance of breaking things under certain conditions. Murphy''s Law would say this conditions will occur sooner or later. I think you were right to go with higher ratings for your components.
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Buy from a reputable place like Viking or Bubba Rope where their business is recovery gear and you shouldnt have to worry about anything. Buy shit from Walmart or Autozone and I wouldnt trust it necessarily. You cant be to safe with recovery equipment and the loads that are put on both the rope/straps and the shackles and other metal connections.

I have shackles from Poison Spyder. they are 3/4", 4.75 ton working load. these are the only size they sell which tells me they are MORE than adequate for our Jeeps and also probably the min size you would want. The same size shackle from Bubba Rope also has the 4.75t ton working limit with a 28,600lb break strength.

The original Bubba rope is a 7/8 with a 28,600lb break strength. Again, I believe these were originally designed for Jeeps. Viking doesnt show a 7/8" rope on their website, but I know they have had them in the past(when products there are out of stock they generally are taken down).

Bubba's tree straps are rated to 58,000 lbs.

Notice a trend on that 28,600lb break strength and products from a few of the, IMO, biggest recovery equipment manufacturers for jeeps? That, to me, should be a clue on what ratings you want on recovery equipment.

Winches: double the weight of your rig and select your winch. Most JKU's are recommended for a 10k lb winch.


Ive had to be pulled from a mud hole in my TJ that I got up to the doors in. It took a HARD pull(I think the jeep pulling me made a 20' run) to get me out. I dont know what kind of shock loads that puts on a rope. We were using a 2"+ diameter tug boat line(probably had a 50k lb break limit). It took 5-6 yanks to get me out. I wouldnt have trusted a 10k lbs strap or rope to get me out.

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