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Old 11-02-2015, 11:29 AM   #1
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Removing premium soft top to put hard top on

It's that time of year to get my hard top on, and since it's my first time, I was wondering if you guys had any videos/pictures on what I need to remove as far as hardware and what I take off to get my hardtop on as easily as possible.

Any help is greatly appreciated in advance!
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Remove the door surrounds and the top itself. The two brackets that bolt on to the roll bar in the back can stay as they wont be in the way of the hardtop. In terms of storing, I hang it on the wall of my garage with two ladder hooks and velcro it shut.

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Remove the door surrounds and the top itself. The two brackets that bolt on to the roll bar in the back can stay as they wont be in the way of the hardtop. In terms of storing, I hang it on the wall of my garage with two ladder hooks and velcro it shut.
So the brackets stay on? Does the main part of the top bolt on to the brackets? I bought my jeep used and the soft top was connected under the hard top. Will I need to take the hard top off? Sorry for the questions?

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So the brackets stay on? Does the main part of the top bolt on to the brackets? I bought my jeep used and the soft top was connected under the hard top. Will I need to take the hard top off? Sorry for the questions?

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No, the brackets have to come off if you have a later model soft top with the spring assist, don't mess with the other connection of the frame. Unscrew the 4 hex head bolts that go into the rollbars and the entire top and frame lift off. Here are the steps I do, in fact I just did this Saturday.

1. Remove all the windows of the soft top and tailgate bar
2. Fold down the soft top all the way and unhook the sail panels
3. Unbolt the 4 roll bar bolts and remove.
4. Remove the entire frame and top, use the factory spring assist straps and loops to help hold the top together from unfolding
5. Remove all the soft top accessories. Door surrounds and rear sail panel retainer clips
6. Install hard top
7. Store soft top somewhere clean and safe

I think that pretty much covers it. Did I forget anything?

Just found this thread. Spring assist loop pics.

2013 Spring assist Soft top storage..those straps!
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No, the brackets have to come off if you have a later model soft top with the spring assist, don't mess with the other connection of the frame. Unscrew the 4 hex head bolts that go into the rollbars and the entire top and frame lift off. Here are the steps I do, in fact I just did this Saturday.

1. Remove all the windows of the soft top and tailgate bar
2. Fold down the soft top all the way and unhook the sail panels
3. Unbolt the 4 roll bar bolts and remove.
4. Remove the entire frame and top, use the factory spring assist straps and loops to help hold the top together from unfolding
5. Remove all the soft top accessories. Door surrounds and rear sail panel retainer clips
6. Install hard top
7. Store soft top somewhere clean and safe

I think that pretty much covers it. Did I forget anything?

Just found this thread. Spring assist loop pics.

2013 Spring assist Soft top storage..those straps!
The 4 roll bar bolts being two on each side underneath the roll bar padding, right?
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The 4 roll bar bolts being two on each side underneath the roll bar padding, right?
Yup.
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Yup.
youre the man...i was just about to do this tomorrow and was a little nervous id F something up
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youre the man...i was just about to do this tomorrow and was a little nervous id F something up
Haha, thanks. It's really pretty easy. The hardest part is cleaning it all before you take it off and then storing all the pieces. I have a bag on order that keeps it all together in a nice packet.

Just an FYI, after you unbolted the brackets, allow the left side of the frame/top to slide down towards the floor while you lift the right side up towards the sky. This puts the top at an angle which allows it to clear the rollbars to pull it out. Be careful, the right rollbar has an electrical wire that runs up the inside of the padding, don't pinch it.
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Which bag did you end up getting? And how much? I've already taken my soft top off 3 different times "for the last time of the season" before we had more nice weather and I put it back on. I just put it back on again this weekend, and in fact, I drove it top down last night and this morning. In November. In Michigan!

But, I really do think the next time I take it off will be the last, and the other times I've taken it off, I've just temporarily stored it on top of my door carts, but that's not a great option for the entire winter. Though, I may just grab a couple of 2x4's and store it using my hard top hoist. Trying to decide if I want a bag or not.
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Which bag did you end up getting? And how much? I've already taken my soft top off 3 different times "for the last time of the season" before we had more nice weather and I put it back on. I just put it back on again this weekend, and in fact, I drove it top down last night and this morning. In November. In Michigan!

But, I really do think the next time I take it off will be the last, and the other times I've taken it off, I've just temporarily stored it on top of my door carts, but that's not a great option for the entire winter. Though, I may just grab a couple of 2x4's and store it using my hard top hoist. Trying to decide if I want a bag or not.
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I'm going to do what you said. Put all the top pieces in the bag, then use my hard top hoist to ratchet it up to the ceiling for winter storage.

PS: It's going to be 70 here all week too, but I'm not putting my soft top back on, I'm just removing the Freedom panels for the week.
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Haha, thanks. It's really pretty easy. The hardest part is cleaning it all before you take it off and then storing all the pieces. I have a bag on order that keeps it all together in a nice packet.

Just an FYI, after you unbolted the brackets, allow the left side of the frame/top to slide down towards the floor while you lift the right side up towards the sky. This puts the top at an angle which allows it to clear the rollbars to pull it out. Be careful, the right rollbar has an electrical wire that runs up the inside of the padding, don't pinch it.
i cant believe the dealer charged 200 to install it....they said it was a 2 hr job. I learned my lesson on procrastination....i was going on a trip and wanted to have the soft top on
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i cant believe the dealer charged 200 to install it....they said it was a 2 hr job. I learned my lesson on procrastination....i was going on a trip and wanted to have the soft top on
In all fairness, to unbox from new, prep and install I bet it took me 2 hours the first time. Hell, it took me over an hour to uninstall it from soup to nuts.
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In all fairness, to unbox from new, prep and install I bet it took me 2 hours the first time. Hell, it took me over an hour to uninstall it from soup to nuts.
that makes me feel better.....so if its just door surrounds,windows, and unbolting whats the most time consuming ? my jeep is garaged so the top still looks new and clean
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that makes me feel better.....so if its just door surrounds,windows, and unbolting whats the most time consuming ? my jeep is garaged so the top still looks new and clean
Unbolting and actually wonkying it to get it out from the rollbars is the most work. That plus putting it all away so you know where everything is when you bring it back out for the Spring. Keep everything together or you'll forget where parts are!
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The first time I "put it away for the season" and then put it back on, I forgot that I had my back window bar stored on top of the whole folded-up fabric. I put everything back on, then couldn't find it. I had even closed the top, all the way to the front latches. Of course, it was night when I was doing this. I finally on a whim reached up near the top of the inside, and there it was. Thankfully, it didn't rip anything or bend the bar.

It took me longer the first time too, but it was mainly from not understanding well how it connected with the brackets. Once I knew which side it went on and how the little hook thing on the top of the mechanism slides into the top of the bracket, it's been cake.
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Just removed my premium soft top from '16 jku for first time.
Wondering if I messed up.

I unscrewed the torx screws and took the brackets off the roll bar frame. The spring assist mechanism tilted everything as they loosened which put tension in the screwed threads.

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What say you all? Can easily separate brackets and remount those next spring before mounting rest of top if that's how it's supposed to be done.
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Just removed my premium soft top from '16 jku for first time.
Wondering if I messed up.

I unscrewed the torx screws and took the brackets off the roll bar frame. The spring assist mechanism tilted everything as they loosened which put tension in the screwed threads.

Pic of what I have removed:

Revisiting manual I'm now thinking I was supposed to leave the bracket and unscrew the hex bolts seen above.

What say you all? Can easily separate brackets and remount those next spring before mounting rest of top if that's how it's supposed to be done.
Don't remove the brackets. Just undo the bow knuckles and take the soft top off.
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Just removed my premium soft top from '16 jku for first time.
Wondering if I messed up.

I unscrewed the torx screws and took the brackets off the roll bar frame. The spring assist mechanism tilted everything as they loosened which put tension in the screwed threads.

Pic of what I have removed:

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Revisiting manual I'm now thinking I was supposed to leave the bracket and unscrew the hex bolts seen above.

Attachment 2633625

What say you all? Can easily separate brackets and remount those next spring before mounting rest of top if that's how it's supposed to be done.
Just took my soft off a couple days ago. As you said, instead of removing the Torx bolts from the roll cage, you should have removed the hex bolts from the brackets that attach to the frame. The thick piece of sewed webbing with a piece of plastic off of it, is used to 'capture the spring' so that the spring stays in the proper position while storing. If that makes sense...

I can take pictures when I get home from work, my soft top is in my garage.

Hope this helped, let me know if you have any other questions.
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Don't remove the brackets. Just undo the bow knuckles and take the soft top off.
Are we talking same newer generation soft top with the spring assist?. If so I have no idea what "bow knuckles" are.
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Just took my soft off a couple days ago. As you said, instead of removing the Torx bolts from the roll cage, you should have removed the hex bolts from the brackets that attach to the frame. The thick piece of sewed webbing with a piece of plastic off of it, is used to 'capture the spring' so that the spring stays in the proper position while storing. If that makes sense... I can take pictures when I get home from work, my soft top is in my garage. Hope this helped, let me know if you have any other questions.
Thanks. Makes sense.
I've got the straps on the hooks properly to take up the spring tension but by taking off the wrong bolts possibly just weight of the top made everything drop. I'll remount just the brackets first in the spring I guess.
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still would like to see the pictures. Dealer just took my soft top off to install a hard top, and it looks like they removed the "knuckles." Its a premium soft top for JKU
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Just removed my premium soft top from '16 jku for first time.
Wondering if I messed up.

I unscrewed the torx screws and took the brackets off the roll bar frame. The spring assist mechanism tilted everything as they loosened which put tension in the screwed threads.

Pic of what I have removed:

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Revisiting manual I'm now thinking I was supposed to leave the bracket and unscrew the hex bolts seen above.

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What say you all? Can easily separate brackets and remount those next spring before mounting rest of top if that's how it's supposed to be done.


so thats the piece that attaches behind the driver side correct?
left is driver side?
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so thats the piece that attaches behind the driver side correct?
left is driver side?
Yes, LH/drivers side. Two torx screws mount that piece to under side of roll bar. Don't undo those like I did!!

I've now realized that weight of the whole thing pulls on these screws as they are removed. If putting back that way would be major risk of cross threading.

As stated above, you're supposed to remove the two hex bolts seen in image. Weight of everything along with the metal tab will work to help hold together until you're ready to lift it out.

Oh and as also stated above, connect the little straps to the brackets first to take up spring tension.
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So when installing it back on, go ahead and screw the 2 LH and RH brackets backets on the rolls bars first?

do you have any pictures of the little straps and the brackets/location you are talking about to relieve the tension?
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So when installing it back on, go ahead and screw the 2 LH and RH brackets backets on the rolls bars first?
Yes, that's my plan.

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do you have any pictures of the little straps and the brackets/location you are talking about to relieve the tension?
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I don't think I have those straps, are those just the standard buckle straps that come withe the softop for the rear window?
(2 are velcro and 2 are the buckle straps for the rear window??)
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Yikes! I just ordered my 2016 with dual/premium tops. This is the first I've heard of the "spring assist" thang. My 2012 JK didn't have it. Is it a pain to install/remove. I always just disconnected the bow knuckles. Sounds like you need to remove those entire brackets from the roll bars? This came up when Iwas getting ready to order the quick disconnect knuckles from QTec. They had a note that don't work for the spring assist tops.
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So the brackets stay on? Does the main part of the top bolt on to the brackets? I bought my jeep used and the soft top was connected under the hard top. Will I need to take the hard top off? Sorry for the questions?

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The soft top should not be left connected under the hard top as it will chafe and you could wear a hole in it from touching the hardtop. It is inside for shipping purposes only. And yes, unfortunately, the hardtop has to come off in order to remove the soft top.
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I must be missing something. I just took delivery of my new 2016 JK WW 2DR (woot!) and as instructed by the dealer and the manual, I proceeded to remove the soft top which was installed "for delivery only". After reading this thread an expecting a new process due to some new"spring assist" brackets etc, I was surprised to see the exact same bracket and bow knuckle set up as my 2012 JK. I never had to remove the brackets on that. So, all I did was release the bow knuckles and remove the top for storage. I see no need whatsoever to remove the pivot brackets - am I missing something? Is the spring assist thingy only 4DRs maybe?
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I think 2dr and 4dr are different now. Manual has separate section with different instructions for each

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