Replace Alpine subwoofer in trunk of 2013 sport - Jeep Wrangler Forum
Jeep Wrangler Forum

Go Back   Jeep Wrangler Forum > JK Jeep Wrangler Forum > JK General Discussion Forum

Join Wrangler Forum Today


Reply
 
Thread Tools

Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on WranglerForum.com
Old 08-13-2014, 12:57 PM   #1
Jeeper
 
loud's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 46
Replace Alpine subwoofer in trunk of 2013 sport

Want to replace the sub of my 2013 sport s, not the happiest with the alpine one that it came with, any suggestions?

loud is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 08-13-2014, 01:58 PM   #2
Jeeper
 
Candyman8019's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Regina, Saskatchewan
Posts: 62
I would suggest a new amp with the sub. The easiest way to connect that is to get an amp with high level inputs and use the existing sub wires as input since they're already run to the back of the vehicle. As for sub brand...don't cheap out. If you buy the bargain $100 pioneer sub it won't produce much.

Candyman8019 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 08-13-2014, 02:04 PM   #3
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 37
I have the same type question. I have a 13 Sahara that came with premium sound package. I threw in a pioneer 8500 head unit I think and used the PAC so I would retain steering wheel controls. I have replaced the 6 factory speakers and I still have the factory amp. I want to add an amp and replace the sub in the enclosure. Would the easiest way to do this is just cut the sub speaker wires, run rca cables from the subwoofer outputs on the back of the pioneer to the amp, then try and tap into the power on the power outlet next to the sub? Any tips/thoughts/install pics would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for any help!!!!
yandawg is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 08-13-2014, 03:51 PM   #4
Jeeper
 
Greyhoundman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Ofallon, Mo
Posts: 34
Quote:
Originally Posted by yandawg View Post
I have the same type question. I have a 13 Sahara that came with premium sound package. I threw in a pioneer 8500 head unit I think and used the PAC so I would retain steering wheel controls. I have replaced the 6 factory speakers and I still have the factory amp. I want to add an amp and replace the sub in the enclosure. Would the easiest way to do this is just cut the sub speaker wires, run rca cables from the subwoofer outputs on the back of the pioneer to the amp, then try and tap into the power on the power outlet next to the sub? Any tips/thoughts/install pics would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for any help!!!!
You will need a dedicated power wire from the battery for any aftermarket amplifier, you will also need an amp turn on signal from the head unit. The stock subwoofer enclosure is very small, and many aftermarket 8" subs are too deep to fit in the enclosure you will need a shallow mount 8 to retain the factory enclosure.
Greyhoundman is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 08-13-2014, 08:45 PM   #5
Jeeper
 
TexMedic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 246
Quote:
Originally Posted by yandawg View Post
I have the same type question. I have a 13 Sahara that came with premium sound package. I threw in a pioneer 8500 head unit I think and used the PAC so I would retain steering wheel controls. I have replaced the 6 factory speakers and I still have the factory amp. I want to add an amp and replace the sub in the enclosure. Would the easiest way to do this is just cut the sub speaker wires, run rca cables from the subwoofer outputs on the back of the pioneer to the amp, then try and tap into the power on the power outlet next to the sub? Any tips/thoughts/install pics would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for any help!!!!
You need a fused power wire from the battery to the new amp. IMO, easiest way to do it with what it sounds like you have going on would be HU RCA ->Amp then
Battery -> fuse -> amp
Amp -> new 12/14 AWG wires running to the sub.
It's easy to run new wires to the sub and I personally wouldn't bother to use the factory wires with anything drawing more power than the stock sub. Those stock wires are pretty small.
I'd also get a remote volume for the sub amp so you can control its volume that way.

FWIW,
You do not need a shallow mount sub. With a .75 or 1" spacer you can fit most 8" subs in there. The Alpine Type R 8" fits just fine with a 3/4 inch spacer and the .3 cubic feet of volume inside the enclosure is just about perfect for most 8" subs.
TexMedic is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 08-14-2014, 09:12 AM   #6
JKS
Jeeper
 
JKS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Sunrise, FL
Posts: 74
Whoaaa this thread got jacked really quickly. I, too, would like to know what options I have for switching out the stock alpine subwoofer in the back. What has the WF community done to keep the same enclosure and replacing the paper cone Alpine with some quality? Pics welcome
__________________
2013 Sport Wrangler // 3.73 // 6-Speed
Rubicon Express 2.5" Suspension System // Bilstein 5100 Shocks // 16" Level 8 Trackers // Fierce Attitude M/T's 315/75/16 // Rampage Products Recovery Stubby Front Bumper // Engo 9000
JKS is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 08-14-2014, 09:12 PM   #7
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Lawrence, KS
Posts: 41
Images: 3
Quote:
Originally Posted by JKS View Post
Whoaaa this thread got jacked really quickly. I, too, would like to know what options I have for switching out the stock alpine subwoofer in the back. What has the WF community done to keep the same enclosure and replacing the paper cone Alpine with some quality? Pics welcome
I am taking my 14 JKUR in Tuesday for all new speakers and I am replacing the sub with a 10" sub, new enclosure and a new amp. I am keeping the factory head unit (430) and the factory amp.

I am going with alpine type S speakers and a kicker sub based on the recommendations of my local car audio store. I was originally going to just replace the 8" sub but he said I wouldn't notice any difference.

I will let everyone know how it turns out.
Thaddh is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 08-14-2014, 10:14 PM   #8
Jeeper
 
Jstraw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Mercer county
Posts: 265
Images: 7
So, in a stock sense, what is the one thing you need to replace to get berrer sound?
__________________
~ neep neep
Jstraw is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 08-14-2014, 11:34 PM   #9
Jeeper
 
Tseg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Michigan
Posts: 55
Maybe I'm not an audiophile, but my '12 Rubi with stock Infinity system sounds pretty darn good to me. Is it comparable or better than the Alpine? How may years was the Infinity audio used?
Tseg is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 08-15-2014, 08:11 AM   #10
Jeeper
 
Pressurized's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Chandler, AZ
Posts: 829
I am only going to make a suggestion, since I haven't done the swap yet myself. I have been studying and modifying the stock "premium" system now for about a year... You can find a lot of info on my Stock Tweeter Mod thread. It's a good read and a fantastic audio mod.

I researched many subs to come up with the following assessment:

I haven't really found an easy way to test the efficiency (output) of the factory subwoofer. It would really tell us on paper what to expect, so I might just have to go for it and use an spl meter before and after installing a replacement sub that I do know the measurements on. The delta will give a percentage of increase or, god forbid, decline in output. Also, we have about 4" maximum depth and even that is subject to the diameter of the motor assembly (magnet).

I am determined to match the system impedance to maximize amplifier output. Just like the 6.5" replacements, you can't just look past this... Also efficiency is critical, since every improvement of 3db is like DOUBLING your amplifier output.

I came up with the 5 candidates listed below. I presorted by my current ranking at the top based on compatibility and efficiency. There are other choices, but most require much more amplifier than we have to work with.

Driver: Cadence S1W8-D2
Imp: 2 ohm DVC
Eff @1w1m: 90
Mount D: 3.7

Driver: Audiobahn AMW80H
Imp: 4 ohm DVC
Eff @1w1m: 90
Mount D: 3.2

Driver: Polk MM840DVC
Imp: 4 ohm DVC
Eff @1w1m: 90
Mount D: 4.25

Driver: Kicker Comp S8
Imp: 2 ohm DVC
Eff @1w1m: 85.6
Mount D: 3.8

Driver: Alpine SWR8D2
Imp: 2 ohm DVC
Eff @1w1m: 83.5
Mount D: 4.5

Beginning with the Cadence, the mounting is good and the VC is a match and the efficiency is great. It would be a no-brainer, but the desirable enclosure size is a little bigger than we have. That means the low frequency cutoff would be a little higher than if it was in a larger enclosure.

On the Audiobahn, the mounting is good but the VC is 4 ohm which is like cutting our amp output in half. The efficiency is great and depending on the delta between the factory sub efficiency and this one, it might play notably louder... Also, it is a good match for our enclosure.

The Polk is similar to the Audiobahn on paper, but it has an issue with fitting in the enclosure and would require a mounting spacer.

The Kicker is good all around except for the efficiency. It would take an amp 3 times more powerful to be as loud as the Cadence based on efficiency. It could still be louder than the factory sub, also depending on efficiency.

The Alpine is not efficient and doesn't fit the enclosure without a spacer. It just looks on paper like it would be the worst choice.


For me, it's down to the Cadence or the Audiobahn and since additional output was my first goal, the Cadence seems to be the logical choice. Considering that the factory Infinity/Alpine drivers haven't shown to be all that efficient, and I have no reason to believe the sub isn't the same way.

If we picked up 6db (entirely possible), it would be like quadrupling the size of the amplifier. The sub would play noticeably louder. As for sound quality? There is no way to know what we will get by looking at specs.

There is still likely to be some work involved in mounting the driver and putting the grill back on. It's not as plug and play as it could be.

Hopefully I will be able to complete this swap next month and I can report back.
__________________
2012 JKU Sahara - COSMOS BLUE - Teraflex Pucks - Hella ECE H4 conv

Stock Tweeter Mod - Infinity 6.5's - RedRock 4x4 Spacers - Rubi Shocks

Spending my kids inheritance, one Jeep part at a time.
Pressurized is online now   Quote Quick Reply
Old 08-15-2014, 08:46 AM   #11
JKS
Jeeper
 
JKS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Sunrise, FL
Posts: 74
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pressurized View Post
Hopefully I will be able to complete this swap next month and I can report back.


You've peaked my interest in the Cadence. Does look much better on paper. And your estimating you can get another 6dB from the factory amp with the same power output?

What about putting on a 1/2" mounting ring to push out the sub and increase the enclosure space by *(math here)* that much more? Would that negate the low frequency cut off since the enclosure space is not adequate?
__________________
2013 Sport Wrangler // 3.73 // 6-Speed
Rubicon Express 2.5" Suspension System // Bilstein 5100 Shocks // 16" Level 8 Trackers // Fierce Attitude M/T's 315/75/16 // Rampage Products Recovery Stubby Front Bumper // Engo 9000
JKS is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 08-15-2014, 08:56 AM   #12
Aussie in Exile

WF Supporting Member
 
tomba's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: PWC, NOVA
Posts: 469
Images: 3
Very interested in this thread! Want better sub sound myself.
__________________
Current Jeeps:
1998 Jeep XJ- SOLD!
2014 Granite JKU Rubicon X 730n/ Dual Top/ 6SP Manual
tomba is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 08-15-2014, 09:03 AM   #13
Photographer and Jeeper

WF Supporting Member
 
Argent's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Michigan
Posts: 1,423
Images: 1
Send a message via AIM to Argent Send a message via Yahoo to Argent
Too bad the Cadence seems hard to find online from any retailers I know...
Argent is online now   Quote Quick Reply
Old 08-15-2014, 10:35 AM   #14
Jeeper
 
Pressurized's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Chandler, AZ
Posts: 829
Quote:
Originally Posted by JKS View Post


You've peaked my interest in the Cadence. Does look much better on paper. And your estimating you can get another 6dB from the factory amp with the same power output?

What about putting on a 1/2" mounting ring to push out the sub and increase the enclosure space by *(math here)* that much more? Would that negate the low frequency cut off since the enclosure space is not adequate?
I would say guesstimating, since I don't truly know the efficiency of the stock sub. That's the testing I need to do and I'll need a baseline to do it, like a new sub that we do know the efficiency on. It's not 100% scientific, but it should be repeatable. I'll run pink noise through the system with an SPL meter at say 1 ft from the sub and set the volume at 85db spl. Then switch to the new sub and measure the output with all other things being equal. That output SPL will be converted to equal the 90db spec and the same math applied to the stock sub will give me a ballpark of it's efficiency.

As for the spacer, I hadn't thought of that. They are easy enough to make or even buy... I'll do some math and see how much volume we pick up with an inch. It calculated that we were about .5 cubic ft short. And the -3db point was around 42hz so it wasn't a game breaker for me.
__________________
2012 JKU Sahara - COSMOS BLUE - Teraflex Pucks - Hella ECE H4 conv

Stock Tweeter Mod - Infinity 6.5's - RedRock 4x4 Spacers - Rubi Shocks

Spending my kids inheritance, one Jeep part at a time.
Pressurized is online now   Quote Quick Reply
Old 08-15-2014, 02:34 PM   #15
JKS
Jeeper
 
JKS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Sunrise, FL
Posts: 74
I look forward to your testing. I'll check back in every now and then to see how its materializing. Glad I could throw an idea your way!
__________________
2013 Sport Wrangler // 3.73 // 6-Speed
Rubicon Express 2.5" Suspension System // Bilstein 5100 Shocks // 16" Level 8 Trackers // Fierce Attitude M/T's 315/75/16 // Rampage Products Recovery Stubby Front Bumper // Engo 9000
JKS is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 08-15-2014, 02:44 PM   #16
Photographer and Jeeper

WF Supporting Member
 
Argent's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Michigan
Posts: 1,423
Images: 1
Send a message via AIM to Argent Send a message via Yahoo to Argent
curious as to why you picked the Cadence D2 vs the D4 I thought that if you wire a dual 4 ohm sub with both voice coils in parallel, you get 2 ohms....

though maybe the amp only supports 1 voice coil?
Argent is online now   Quote Quick Reply
Old 08-15-2014, 03:20 PM   #17
Jeeper
 
Pressurized's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Chandler, AZ
Posts: 829
Quote:
Originally Posted by Argent View Post
curious as to why you picked the Cadence D2 vs the D4 I thought that if you wire a dual 4 ohm sub with both voice coils in parallel, you get 2 ohms.... though maybe the amp only supports 1 voice coil?
The factory amp does support dual voice coils. The factory sub is 2 each of 2 ohm voice coils, so I wanted to match that to maximize amplifier output. If I chose the 4 ohm sub woofer voice coils I would end up cutting the amplifier power in half.
__________________
2012 JKU Sahara - COSMOS BLUE - Teraflex Pucks - Hella ECE H4 conv

Stock Tweeter Mod - Infinity 6.5's - RedRock 4x4 Spacers - Rubi Shocks

Spending my kids inheritance, one Jeep part at a time.
Pressurized is online now   Quote Quick Reply
Old 08-16-2014, 03:45 PM   #18
Jeeper
 
loud's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 46
What about this kicker 8 in sub? also if i am not going to get a new amp should i get 2ohm or 4ohm? http://kicker.shptron.com/p/cws82?pp=12
loud is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 08-16-2014, 06:44 PM   #19
Jeeper
 
Pressurized's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Chandler, AZ
Posts: 829
Quote:
Originally Posted by loud View Post
What about this kicker 8 in sub? also if i am not going to get a new amp should i get 2ohm or 4ohm? http://kicker.shptron.com/p/cws82?pp=12
That is an SVC (single voice coil) driver and we have a 2 channel amp driving our sub so you need a DVC (dual voice coil) driver. Also, the Kickers haven't looked to be very efficient which means you need more power from the amp then we have.
__________________
2012 JKU Sahara - COSMOS BLUE - Teraflex Pucks - Hella ECE H4 conv

Stock Tweeter Mod - Infinity 6.5's - RedRock 4x4 Spacers - Rubi Shocks

Spending my kids inheritance, one Jeep part at a time.
Pressurized is online now   Quote Quick Reply
Old 08-16-2014, 09:33 PM   #20
Jeeper
 
loud's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 46
I think I might go with this amp http://www.bestbuy.com/site/alpine-power-pack-180w-class-d-bridgeable-multichannel-amplifier-with-high-pass-filter/4769803.p?id=1218524495173&skuId=4769803&st=catego ryid$abcat0302001&cp=1&lp=7

with this sub Sundown Audio SD-2 8" 500 Watt SD Series Subwoofer - 1800woofers.com
and probable have best buy install

thoughts?
loud is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 08-19-2014, 04:33 PM   #21
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Lawrence, KS
Posts: 41
Images: 3
I am picking up my jeep from the audio install place tonight. I will report back tomorrow on the result as well as what I installed.
Thaddh is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 08-19-2014, 07:23 PM   #22
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Lawrence, KS
Posts: 41
Images: 3
Just picked up the jeep.

I added alpine type s component speakers to the front.

Alpine type s 2 way speakers in the sound bar.

10" kicker sub with new enclosure and 300 watt kicker amp to power the sub that was placed under the driver seat.

I kept the head unit and factory amp and it has made a HUGE difference.

I would guess that if you didn't want the bass just replacing the speakers would be a huge upgrade as well.

I sold my stock speakers and sub enclosure to another member for cash and his flat panel to replace my sub panel.

All in all it was a great day!

Click image for larger version

Name:	image-2022674988.jpg
Views:	193
Size:	186.0 KB
ID:	1408026



Click image for larger version

Name:	image-3181641800.jpg
Views:	168
Size:	161.9 KB
ID:	1408034
Thaddh is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 09-25-2014, 10:23 AM   #23
Supporting Member

WF Supporting Member
 
SteedGun's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Utah - A Jeep Friendly Place
Posts: 1,137
Pressurized,

Did you ever get the Cadence sub installed?

I am not interested in using a separate enclosure. Been there, done that. I am looking to find a better option that will fit in the stock enclosure.
__________________
Molon Labe - Carry on!
SteedGun is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 09-25-2014, 11:26 AM   #24
Jeeper
 
Pressurized's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Chandler, AZ
Posts: 829
Quote:
Originally Posted by SteedGun View Post
Pressurized,

Did you ever get the Cadence sub installed?

I am not interested in using a separate enclosure. Been there, done that. I am looking to find a better option that will fit in the stock enclosure.
Right before I ordered, I found that KG32a had already bought one and was going to install and report back. Unfortunately, you can see from his response below, we don't appear to have the desired results. Whether its the enclosure or the amp, it's hard to say. The black magic and juju didn't seem to align...

Cadence sub

Now I need to decide if going to the Audiobahn makes sense. It's 4 ohm, but matches our enclosure better and is high efficiency. If anything, it's cheap so not too much lost if I don't like it.
__________________
2012 JKU Sahara - COSMOS BLUE - Teraflex Pucks - Hella ECE H4 conv

Stock Tweeter Mod - Infinity 6.5's - RedRock 4x4 Spacers - Rubi Shocks

Spending my kids inheritance, one Jeep part at a time.
Pressurized is online now   Quote Quick Reply
Old 09-25-2014, 01:17 PM   #25
Supporting Member

WF Supporting Member
 
SteedGun's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Utah - A Jeep Friendly Place
Posts: 1,137
OK.

I think I will try the Cadence sub anyway. I don't like the idea of putting a 4 ohm woofer on my 2 ohm system. Back with results after I get the woofer installed. I have a 730N so let's see if the Cadence works for me. Let us know how the Audiobahn works out.
__________________
Molon Labe - Carry on!
SteedGun is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 09-25-2014, 01:42 PM   #26
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 679
Quote:
Originally Posted by SteedGun View Post
OK.

I think I will try the Cadence sub anyway. I don't like the idea of putting a 4 ohm woofer on my 2 ohm system. Back with results after I get the woofer installed. I have a 730N so let's see if the Cadence works for me. Let us know how the Audiobahn works out.
Well it certainly looks good spec wise.... 8" /DVC -2 ohm / 90db sensitivity but.... as has been discussed. More to audio than just Math.

Who knows.... certainly more opinions are better than less - look forward to reading about your hearing.
RubiconSS is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 09-25-2014, 03:15 PM   #27
Supporting Member

WF Supporting Member
 
SteedGun's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Utah - A Jeep Friendly Place
Posts: 1,137
Quote:
Originally Posted by SteedGun View Post
OK.

I think I will try the Cadence sub anyway. I don't like the idea of putting a 4 ohm woofer on my 2 ohm system. Back with results after I get the woofer installed. I have a 730N so let's see if the Cadence works for me. Let us know how the Audiobahn works out.
I just put the Cadence on hold as it appears there is a wiring connector issue and a grill fit issue. I am not sure I want to deal with both of those extra issues yet. Sorry, hold for now. I will wait on the next post from Pressurized.
__________________
Molon Labe - Carry on!
SteedGun is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 09-25-2014, 04:38 PM   #28
Supporting Member

WF Supporting Member
 
SteedGun's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Utah - A Jeep Friendly Place
Posts: 1,137
__________________
Molon Labe - Carry on!
SteedGun is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 09-25-2014, 06:04 PM   #29
Supporting Member

WF Supporting Member
 
SteedGun's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Utah - A Jeep Friendly Place
Posts: 1,137
I found more specs on it here. Watts look low and the 82db might kill the deal but it looks like it will fit our space very well.


Rockford Fosgate P3SD2-8 8" Punch P3 Shallow Mount Subwoofer
__________________
Molon Labe - Carry on!
SteedGun is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 09-25-2014, 06:17 PM   #30
Jeeper
 
Pressurized's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Chandler, AZ
Posts: 829
As you noted, the efficiency on that one is very low:

SPL (dB @ 1w/1m): 82

I don't think we have enough power to run it properly.

Also, I do believe there will be some amount of fabrication on any sub replacement we do. It may not be much, like trimming tabs on the grill, but I think there will be some no matter what. I intend to mount the driver without the grill and test before I modify it.

I'll measure output on the stock subwoofer first by supplying white noise and using an SPL meter to get a set level, like 90db. I'll hang a curtain to minimize bleed from the soundbar. Then swap the sub and run the test with the exact settings and measure the output. That will give me a delta to use for efficiency comparison. I will also measure how low the stock woofer plays and then after the swap, see how low the new woofer plays. Then of course, the important part... how does it sound?

The other 2 ohm is the Kicker Comp D8... it's 85.6db. I need to check depth and see if it will work. A simple spacer would fix that though.

__________________
2012 JKU Sahara - COSMOS BLUE - Teraflex Pucks - Hella ECE H4 conv

Stock Tweeter Mod - Infinity 6.5's - RedRock 4x4 Spacers - Rubi Shocks

Spending my kids inheritance, one Jeep part at a time.
Pressurized is online now   Quote Quick Reply
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Jeep Wrangler Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off




» Featured Product

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:53 AM.



Jeep®, Wrangler, Liberty, Wagoneer, Cherokee, and Grand Cherokee are copyrighted and trademarked to Chrysler Motors LLC.
Wranglerforum.com is not in any way associated with the Chrysler Motors LLC