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Old 01-19-2013, 01:28 PM   #1
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Replacement Bulbs

Looking to upgrade the stock headlights. Little dim on low dark nights could use a little help.

What would everyone recommend. Strong light and can handle the rough ride a jeep gives it.

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Lots and lots of threads on the subject already: Headlights

If you don't want to spend hundreds of dollars on complete lighting kits, and possible warranty issues with the service department on other electronic components that may fail in your Jeep for an unrelated reason, you might try just replacing the bulbs.

Two popular bulb upgrades that I've been reading about are Sylvania and Philips. I just ordered a set of Philips bulbs off Amazon. For around $31 on sale (normally over $66) and free shipping I figured I'd give them a try.

Philips H13 9008 X-treme Power Headlight Bulbs

I plan on posting before and after pics next week.

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Lots and lots of threads on the subject already: Headlights

If you don't want to spend hundreds of dollars on complete lighting kits, and possible warranty issues with the service department on other electronic components that may fail in your Jeep for an unrelated reason, you might try just replacing the bulbs.

Two popular bulb upgrades that I've been reading about are Sylvania and Philips. I just ordered a set of Philips bulbs off Amazon. For around $31 on sale (normally over $66) and free shipping I figured I'd give them a try.

Philips H13 9008 X-treme Power Headlight Bulbs

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Hey did you do the upgrade yet? If so what are your thoughts?

I plan on posting before and after pics next week
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Hey did you do the upgrade yet? If so what are your thoughts?

I plan on posting before and after pics next week
Check for other threads, but yes, the upgrade is worth it. It's not amazing, but the best upgrade for the price.
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Old 01-29-2013, 10:11 PM   #5
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Check out ddm tuning. I paid $70 and got life time warrenty for head and fog lights.

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I'll have to check them out. Sounds like a good deal.
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Old 01-29-2013, 11:41 PM   #7
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Hey did you do the upgrade yet? If so what are your thoughts?

I plan on posting before and after pics next week
Yes, I installed them about a week ago. I haven't taken any "after" pics yet. While I was driving to take some photos I had a near run-in with a deer. I missed the deer but my digital camera that was on the passenger seat didn't do so well. The good thing is now I know that the ABS in our new Jeep works well.

As far as the lights, I'd say I notice a little improvement. For $31 off Amazon I think they were worth the price. Probably not as much as an expensive lighting kit but I didn't want to get into a hassle with the dealer over warranty problems if I went ripping out the factory wiring harness and messing with the electronics. Replacement bulbs that are the same wattage as the factory originals aren't going to raise any red flags.
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Check out ddm tuning. I paid $70 and got life time warrenty for head and fog lights.

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I'm curious about this too. I'd like to upgrade, but I really don't want to lay down $500 for Truck-Lite LED's (and then have them flicker ... lol)
When I could have the PIAA's for about $75-80.

I 'think" the PIAA's would be a noticeable improvement over stock, and probably not much difference when compared to the LED's. Except the $400 delta.

Anyone have any thoughts?... experience between the 2?
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Also looking forward to get the PIAAs Xtreme White... they are under $100 here in Canada, $40 more than the best Sylvanias, are they worth the price?
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I'm curious about this too. I'd like to upgrade, but I really don't want to lay down $500 for Truck-Lite LED's (and then have them flicker ... lol)
When I could have the PIAA's for about $75-80.

I 'think" the PIAA's would be a noticeable improvement over stock, and probably not much difference when compared to the LED's. Except the $400 delta.

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Also looking forward to get the PIAAs Xtreme White... they are under $100 here in Canada, $40 more than the best Sylvanias, are they worth the price?

Read this post by Hilldweller before trying PIAAs: http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/hid...ml#post1712836

Hilldweller is the WF expert on JK lighting, IMHO. Heed his advice if you don't want to waste your money on junk.....
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Old 02-06-2013, 11:47 AM   #12
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I've used Philips Xtreme Power +80s and Silvania Silverstar Ultras...and in my opinion the Silvania bulbs were slightly better. The Philips give a better pattern, but the Sylvania is brighter.
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Also looking forward to get the PIAAs Xtreme White... they are under $100 here in Canada, $40 more than the best Sylvanias, are they worth the price?
Depends what you expect. The PIAA bulbs are way better then stock and also better then Silverstar Ultras. Headlight adjustment is also crucial if you stay with the stock housings as they have a very sharp cutoff and narrow beam on low beam.
I have had the PIAA bulbs for a year now and they do just fine. I also have LED spots and LightForce 170 if I need more distance when no one else is around. I will buy PIAA bulbs again AAMOF I will also be replacing my factory fog bulbs with PIAA Extreme white H10 bulbs.
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I've used Philips Xtreme Power +80s and Silvania Silverstar Ultras...and in my opinion the Silvania bulbs were slightly better. The Philips give a better pattern, but the Sylvania is brighter.
I think the jury is out on this one. Lots of other people who have used both like the Philips. Either way, they are both an ok improvement over stock.
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I installed the rallylights.com H4 conversion kit and love it. You could do a simliar install without the wiring harness for less money.

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Here's great info on lighting upgrades.

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... The PIAA bulbs are way better then stock ...
Or, maybe not!

Actual testing suggests that PIAAs have a lower light output (and shorter lifespan) than stock, it's just the light "color" that fools the eye into thinking there is more light .... I'm very far from an expert on this, but Hilldweller and especially Daniel Stern are!

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I went with 5K 35W for headlights and 3K 35W for the fogs. I needed to get the error eliminators as well but only found out after. You could order the high and low but im not sure what else you would need. Also I ordered wire harnesses from amazon for like $5
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Or, maybe not!

Actual testing suggests that PIAAs have a lower light output (and shorter lifespan) than stock, it's just the light "color" that fools the eye into thinking there is more light .... I'm very far from an expert on this, but Hilldweller and especially Daniel Stern are!

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Interesting, but to me thats just numbers. i want to see photographic comparisons between bulbs like i did when comparing headlights vs LED spots vs halogen spots.

None the less, Thanks to Hilldweller on an excellent job and for taking the time to do his testing.

See, now this is where I have an advantage over others. we have 3 Jeep JKs and over the past couple years I have had the opportunity to park our Jeeps side by side with different bulbs and prove to myself and family members what bulbs are better before wasting more money on replacements.
Bottom line, the PIAA bulbs do work much better then stock. Is it the color? I care not, they just work better and I can see the road better. We don't spend our time on lit streets. We drive unlit back highways littered with moose and deer so lighting is critical.

I am really beginning to wonder about the validity of all this discussion. All this talk is boggling the minds of the poor folks just trying to find some better light. It seems the only real option, they say, is either expensive LED conversion or H4. Is it really required, I don't think so. Too bright and you could be blinding others. Our eyes adjust to light levels as they do to colors. Just because the output is more doesn't necessarily mean you can see more.
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Bottom line, the PIAA bulbs do work much better then stock.
Whatever floats your boat. At 90+$ a pair for bulbs, I'd rather get a set of good Cibié headlamps and H4 bulbs.

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Whatever floats your boat. At 90+$ a pair for bulbs, I'd rather get a set of good Cibié headlamps and H4 bulbs.

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The PIAA bulbs are only $31 with free shipping on Amazon. I just bought a pair the other week.

Wait, scratch that. I thought he was talking about the Philips H13 9008 X-treme bulbs that I bought.
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Whatever floats your boat. At 90+$ a pair for bulbs, I'd rather get a set of good Cibié headlamps and H4 bulbs.

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I wish it was so easy as only $90 a pair for Cibie but thats just the housings. You still need the H4 bulbs, wiring harness, diodes, and the H13 adapter plug.

Check out this link for the details http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/201...ew-150644.html

Note: First image set with PIAA bulbs the Lightforce lights have a crystal blue hybrid diffusion cover so they are not as hot as they are in the second set where they have the factory clear spot cover.. Notice camera settings the same on manual for all images..
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I don't like the factory beam pattern. So to me, changing bulbs is not going to do it. I must be spoiled having owned European vehicles with Cibié headlamps...

Check a few comparisons here.

And the Cibié below. Much better IMO.

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I went with 5K 35W for headlights and 3K 35W for the fogs. I needed to get the error eliminators as well but only found out after. You could order the high and low but im not sure what else you would need. Also I ordered wire harnesses from amazon for like $5
i assume you have an HID kit and purchased 5K HID bulbs and not a simple bulb replacement?
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I clicked on that link and looked it over pretty good.. and in my opinion the Rebel Offroad light kit is the best bang for the buck. I know some won't agree. But if I was going to do an upgrade, THAT kit is what I'd buy.
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I just installed the Truck-Lite LEDs and I'm glad I did. Much better lighting and I don't see any flicker so all is good
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i assume you have an HID kit and purchased 5K HID bulbs and not a simple bulb replacement?
Yes I have a plug and play HID kit. Just as easy as a replacement bulb but with a lifetime of free bulbs if and when they blow. I wasn't sure if I would like them but they kick a$$. I did my install while is was freezing outside and a little drizzle. Way easy.
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Can the stock fog light wiring handle a 35w bulb?
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Check a few comparisons here.


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that's a good read.
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Can the stock fog light wiring handle a 35w bulb?
Anyone?
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based on the recommendations in this thread, i checked out Amazon and just as RoadiJeff said, the bulbs are ~$31 from $66. I had some giftcards so I picked 'em up. I'll post some pics when I get them installed.

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