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Old 03-07-2014, 08:08 AM   #1
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Researching problems has lead me to believe

...Chrysler has made the Wrangler something it was never meant to be; a plush poseur mobile. (I'm NOT calling any one here a poseur, just to be clear)

Yes, this is my first post but, I'm not trolling or flaming, I'm simply getting a feel for the environment when an opinion is expressed that isn't mainstream.

I'm hoping by next year to be able to order mine and avoid the problems you guys are having through ordering 1/2 doors and if possible, a radio/excess electronics delete. (is this possible anymore?)

Why? Because I plan on using it like a Jeep (fond memories of old Scramblers) and going around with nothing more than a small Bimini top all year long.
That's not as crazy as it sounds, since I currently ride a motorcycle all year long. (yes! even in the snow)

I'm wondering who else around here is a hard core Jeeper and how the interiors are holding up to weather, when it's exposed all the time?

I look at it this way...
With all the leaks I see people having issues with, why not simply accept it and use these things like Jeeps?
If I can stay warm and dry on a Motorcycle all year long, a new Jeep should make my open air experiences even more of a pleasure.

W.T.H. do they offer a Rubicon package (for semi-serious off roading) without an electronics delete option?
I have a feeling deep water crossings and electronics don't mix very well. (pwr. windows, locks, nav, etc.)
Or, are these units completely sealed these days?

I'm sure many of my questions will be answered as I scroll through these pages but, figured it wouldn't hurt to get a feel for what Jeep Guys/Gals are like these days and how the product holds up when being used as a Jeep.


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Welcome to WF. There was some talk several years ago about Jeep offering a bare bones Rubicon. Obviously it never happened.

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they do. when i ordered my rubicon it came with manual windows and no exlectronic bullshit.

you get the standard 130 radio with sat radio as the only upgrade.
but this is on a 2 door.

if your talking 4 door then quit bitching that thing was from the get go designed to be comfy cruiser for the masses.
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You can research the current Wrangler and the options right on Jeep.com
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they do. when i ordered my rubicon it came with manual windows and no exlectronic bullshit.

you get the standard 130 radio with sat radio as the only upgrade.
but this is on a 2 door.

if your talking 4 door then quit bitching that thing was from the get go designed to be comfy cruiser for the masses.
I hear you!
I am looking at the 4 door for Camping/Fishing gear storage/Dog space.

What I really want, that I'm hoping Jeep makes while I get my funds together...is the Jeep Gladiator. (I have an absolute love for Scramblers)
I have this habit of researching the crap out of things before making a purchase = why I'm here!
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well if you want a 4 door you can get it sans electric crap if you order the half doors.

but honestly its alot easier to roll all the windows down with the electric. and ive sank mine to where i was sitting in water and never had any electirc problems. I did relocate my breathers and hit every connector with dielectric grease.

I go camping with my two big dogs in my 2 door all the time. i never have issues with room. i do have a hitch carrier and tend to travel light tho
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You're going to love whatever Jeep you decide upon; they are a welcome extension and augmentation of the motorcycle experience.

And given the desire to remain 'basic', consider an older Jeep; most of that stuff you dislike either isn't operational or was never installed. The Scrambler was a basic Jeep with many fine points.

My own preference is the 1954 Willys Overland configuration but with modern running gear, if they'd every build it. Yes I'd take a/c and automatic 5 speed, but little else needed for my idea of Jeep Paradise.

Oh, and set up to tow the bike of course.
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I have this habit of researching the crap out of things before making a purchase = why I'm here!
It took me 10 years to pull the trigger on one...LOL That's due more to wanting to see improvements first, the 2014 impressed me the most.
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Hmm, I don't quite understand the mentality that JK's are built for posers, yet you want a 4-door. It's like you pick and choose what you feel is watering down the Jeep experience, yet are ok to accept the model that was only introduced to satisfy the mall crowd.
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re: "If at first you don't succeed, get it unstuck and try again. "

Marvelous!!!

And welcome to the Forum....
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I bought my '07 JKU used and it came as bare boned as you could ask for. Half doors, manual locks, no heated seats, you get the picture. For me, it's perfect but Chrysler is trying to straddle the fence between the Rock Crawlers and the Soccer Moms. The Jeep for you is out there, good luck with your search.

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they do. when i ordered my rubicon it came with manual windows and no exlectronic bullshit.

you get the standard 130 radio with sat radio as the only upgrade.
but this is on a 2 door.

if your talking 4 door then quit bitching that thing was from the get go designed to be comfy cruiser for the masses.
Your jeep with no electronics is just as susceptible to water damage as mine which is full of all available electronics. The computers are still in the same location and are not water resistant.

I personally don't understand why someone wouldn't want to wheel in comfort.
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...W.T.H. do they offer a Rubicon package (for semi-serious off roading) without an electronics delete option?
I have a feeling deep water crossings and electronics don't mix very well. (pwr. windows, locks, nav, etc.)

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So you delete these, you have not got rid of electronics by any means. There is no throttle cable, it is electronic, in fact the entire vehicle is run by a computer.

I don't know how water proof today's Jeep really is, but the additions of power windows, lock, nav's etc are the least of your concerns when talking about deep water crossings. In fact before said electronics get touched by water your throttle sensor will already be under water. By the time you touch the radio you will have already hydrolocked the engine unless you are running a snorkle.

What I find great about today's vehicles is you can have your cake and eat it to. My CJ was great, my JK is better.
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to the forum. Why not just buy an old CJ8 scrambler and run it exactly like you want? Or an LJ? I would love to have a scrambler as well. I am going to make that happen one day.
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I'm not exactly sure what problems you hope to avoid be getting half doors, and nope...you can't get a radio delete option.

The biggest benefit of a JK is that you can order it and use it to your own liking.
If you want it bare bones, order a base Sport....or order a Sport S/Rubi with half doors and nothing else.

If you wanted leathered and loaded, order a Sahara or Rubi with every option checked.

Not sure if you have seen the latest sales numbers...but Jeep has done a fantastic job of doing what they need to do...which is sell Jeeps.
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Your jeep with no electronics is just as susceptible to water damage as mine which is full of all available electronics. The computers are still in the same location and are not water resistant.

I personally don't understand why someone wouldn't want to wheel in comfort.
Just cause i ordered it doesnt mean thats what i drive.

they had one with more options come in on the truck and wanted to hit their numbers that month so on the 30th i bought a loaded one for the price on the barebones
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Yup, the days of a cable gas pedal, cap and rotor ignition, manual chokes, and lack of electronic nanny devices are over. Welcome to the digital age!

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So you delete these, you have not got rid of electronics by any means. There is no throttle cable, it is electronic, in fact the entire vehicle is run by a computer.

I don't know how water proof today's Jeep really is, but the additions of power windows, lock, nav's etc are the least of your concerns when talking about deep water crossings. In fact before said electronics get touched by water your throttle sensor will already be under water. By the time you touch the radio you will have already hydrolocked the engine unless you are running a snorkle.

What I find great about today's vehicles is you can have your cake and eat it to. My CJ was great, my JK is better.
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If you fill your radio with water, it'll be just like not having one in the first place, so go for it!!!
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If you want the bare-bones, primitive Jeep, why not just buy an old CJ. It'd save you a ton of money and give you everything you're looking for.
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...Chrysler has made the Wrangler something it was never meant to be; a plush poseur mobile. (I'm NOT calling any one here a poseur, just to be clear)

Yes, this is my first post but, I'm not trolling or flaming, I'm simply getting a feel for the environment when an opinion is expressed that isn't mainstream.

I'm hoping by next year to be able to order mine and avoid the problems you guys are having through ordering 1/2 doors and if possible, a radio/excess electronics delete. (is this possible anymore?)

Why? Because I plan on using it like a Jeep (fond memories of old Scramblers) and going around with nothing more than a small Bimini top all year long.
That's not as crazy as it sounds, since I currently ride a motorcycle all year long. (yes! even in the snow)

I'm wondering who else around here is a hard core Jeeper and how the interiors are holding up to weather, when it's exposed all the time?

I look at it this way...
With all the leaks I see people having issues with, why not simply accept it and use these things like Jeeps?
If I can stay warm and dry on a Motorcycle all year long, a new Jeep should make my open air experiences even more of a pleasure.

W.T.H. do they offer a Rubicon package (for semi-serious off roading) without an electronics delete option?
I have a feeling deep water crossings and electronics don't mix very well. (pwr. windows, locks, nav, etc.)
Or, are these units completely sealed these days?

I'm sure many of my questions will be answered as I scroll through these pages but, figured it wouldn't hurt to get a feel for what Jeep Guys/Gals are like these days and how the product holds up when being used as a Jeep.


Thanks!
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Why is any of this an issue? Just buy the damn jeep and use it as you see fit.

I mean how many people own Rubicons and do water crossings every weekend with no issues?

If you get water deep enough to get your NAV(or power locks)...the NAV is the least of your problems.

Sheesh....

Chicken little...

Even Harley offers BlueTooth and leather seats all exposed to the elements.
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"Even Harley offers BlueTooth and leather seats all exposed to the elements. "....yes....but there's no factory snorkle option.....
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"Even Harley offers BlueTooth and leather seats all exposed to the elements. "....yes....but there's no factory snorkle option.....
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There are plenty of folks on here who wheel the hell out of their JKUs. Not sure why you would introduce yourself to the group by insulting them and calling their rigs "poseurs". Just because it's not what you prefer doesn't make it any less of a Jeep.
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Rivercreep is right.
I feel like such a sellout in my comfy 4 door Wrangler.
I mean it has doors not a optional chain. It has seats I might want to sit in. It will go over 45 mph. It has a hood prop. It has power steering. and brakes that will stop it most of the time. What is with the roll bars on these new things?? It will just get caught in trees if you go on a trail.
I really miss my cj2a.
It is really a shame these new wranglers can't go off road and get dirty. Somebody should make aftermarket parts to make them more capable. I bet there might be a couple people who might try to go down a dirt road or something.

Gotta go there is a sale at the mall!!
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they do. when i ordered my rubicon it came with manual windows and no exlectronic bullshit.

you get the standard 130 radio with sat radio as the only upgrade.
but this is on a 2 door.

if your talking 4 door then quit bitching that thing was from the get go designed to be comfy cruiser for the masses.

That's my Jeep. They only option that came on it was tinted soft top windows. Old school CJ style.

My wife has all the power stuff on her Unlimited.
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If you want the bare-bones, primitive Jeep, why not just buy an old CJ. It'd save you a ton of money and give you everything you're looking for.

Save money? Those I know with a CJ are spending significant money replacing/rebuilding components. Old vehicles are often money pits.
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Save money? Those I know with a CJ are spending significant money replacing/rebuilding components. Old vehicles are often money pits.
Even new Jeeps are money pits!
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I came from a CJ to a JK, so I get where the original poster is coming from. If it rained overnight in the summertime with my CJ, I simply threw a towel on the seat before driving to work.

The thing is, there is no standard production vehicle made without a steering wheel & dashboard full airbags and electronics. By your own definition, you're not going to have any luck finding a non-poser vehicle less than 20 years old.

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I had a base jk, only option was ac, which was only used when others were in it. I left the doors and sides off for 3 months, only putting the top up part up when it rained. Nothing on it broke. Now I have a base jku with a hard top on order and the doors will be off most of the time as well. As long as the dash doesn't get completely soaked, as in heavy rain with it uncovered, it will be fine. They are plenty water resistant.
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"Plush poseur mobile?" Comfy? You guys crack me up.

There's nothing comfy about a JKU or a JKUR. The vehicle has "leather" seats which probably aren't any different than other vehicles that have leather seating surfaces with matching fake leather on the rest of the seats.

And the electronics are basic nothingness compared to most vehicles these days.

If you don't like what they offer then get a used one with a steel seat and nothing else.

By the way OP, considering it's your first I give you this pot stirrer award.


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