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Old 02-03-2012, 02:26 PM   #1
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RHB-430 defaults to Sirius even when last playing iPod

So odd thing I've noticed with my infotainment system. When I am listing to the iPod, like I usually always do, then I shut off the car, when I get back in the car and start it again, it defaults to Sirius.Then I have to press aux, select iPod, and it picks up where it left off.

How can I get it to stay on the last medium it was playing?

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Old 02-05-2012, 02:58 PM   #2
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Any ideas? Or is anyone else having thie isssue? Perhaps it's just how it is designed, although that would seem very odd.

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Mine does it too. I've noticed that if I turn the Jeep on and push the MEDIA button right away to go to the AUX setting for streamed music or to directly play my ipod, it sometimes doesn't recognize the device (iphone or ipod) for about 15-20 seconds.

I'm guessing it's some kind of lag in recognizing outside devices.

Someone who could answer your question more definitively would be a member named xsdbs. He's all over the various Jeep media centers and their little quirks. Also knows a ton about the different types of mp3 players, phone setups, Uconnect, etc.
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This is not a "problem" but more of a "dislike" instead. I will explain more in just a minute, but first a question.
Was Sirius the last radio band that you listened to (AM, FM, Sirius)?

Chrysler decided that they wanted the system to default to be the last media that was listened to before you started to play the iPod. The reason for this has to do with an issue that people were complaining about who had the factory remote start in the vehicle.
When a vehicle is started with the remote start, Uconnect is not alive but the radio is. The reason why Uconnect is not alive is because:
EX: If the vehicle was in your driveway and was remote started:
1) The vehicle is in the BT range (roughly about 30 - 35 feet), Uconnect would now also connect up to your phone.
2) If you received a phone call, you wouldn't be able to answer the call and the caller would hear basically silence while saying "hello", "hello". "why, wouldn't I be able to answer it?" Well because the call went to Uconnect and is ready to be picked up inside the vehicle. Now if you were quick to think when you heard the phone ringing, you may be fast enough to quickly transfer the call from Uconnect to the phone using the handset. But you would have to be thinking fast instead of saying "hello", "hello" followed by possibly a couple of unfriendly words.
3) If you picked the phone up to make a call, you would enter the number, press send and then expect to hear the phone on the other side ring. You don't hear it. Why? Because the call is going thru Uconnect in the car and the person on the other side is saying "hello", "hello". Possibly now hanging up to call you back only to be sent to voice mail or silence because you picked the phone up. But you never hear each other.

OK, so in order to use your phone when remote started and the vehicle within the BT range, Chrysler and the Uconnect supplier agreed to have Uconnect not powered up until the customer got inside the vehicle and turned the key to the "on" position. Now here's where the "default to " came into play.
When the vehicle is remote started, the radio is also powered up as well as the amp (if the system has an amp) and in "AUX" mode (also being basically silent at this point because there is no audio going thru yet). So when you would get into the vehicle, and turn the key on, Uconnect would need to power up then start iPod play while the radio would already be on and in "AUX" mode with no audio signal.
What happens now? There is an audio "pop" thru the speakers.

Some of you that were around before Car audio amps started having delayed turn on, may remember the "thump" that some of the less expensive amps would get when you turned your radio on. This was caused by a similar issue. The amp would turn on before the radio would power up and send audio signal to it. Then timer circuits were designed to turn the amp on after the radio was on and sending audio signal.






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Mine does it too. I've noticed that if I turn the Jeep on and push the MEDIA button right away to go to the AUX setting for streamed music or to directly play my ipod, it sometimes doesn't recognize the device (iphone or ipod) for about 15-20 seconds.

I'm guessing it's some kind of lag in recognizing outside devices.

Someone who could answer your question more definitively would be a member named xsdbs. He's all over the various Jeep media centers and their little quirks. Also knows a ton about the different types of mp3 players, phone setups, Uconnect, etc.
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mine does it too, kinda sucks, my wife's '09 scion has ipod functonality too, but it has a factory cable instead of a usb port, so hers retains the playing functionality. I really hate when audio and car folks claim "ipod integration" and all it is is an aux in. Might as well claim turn table integration. oh well, at least I can use u-connect to tell it what to play
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1) In your wife's scion, where is the ipod controlled? Thru the iPod itself or the radio?
2) the difference between your "factory cable" and the USB connector is that the "factory cable" is limited to only play an iPod. Where the USB cable will allow you to play from a thumb drive or other players that support USB audio output.
3) Uconnect is not just an "aux in". It charges the iPod, controls the iPod and gives you voice commands to control the iPod. An "Aux in" will only play the audio what is coming out of the headphone jack and o pick up the also takes you out of the Hands Free environment, forcing you to pick up the iPod, look down at it to make changes, causing you now be distracted from traffic.
4) Scion vehicles with factory remote starters would not run across the same issue that I described above. The reason is because with the Scion factory remote start, the vehicle is shutdown when you press the unlock button to enter the vehicle. Then you have to restart the vehicle once you are in. The Chrysler vehicles continue to run after pressing the unlock button to enter them.



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mine does it too, kinda sucks, my wife's '09 scion has ipod functonality too, but it has a factory cable instead of a usb port, so hers retains the playing functionality. I really hate when audio and car folks claim "ipod integration" and all it is is an aux in. Might as well claim turn table integration. oh well, at least I can use u-connect to tell it what to play
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The radio control the ipod on her scion. the difference i'm assuming is I believe the scion keep the ipod in a low power mode. If you unplug it, you lose the saved play spot. I guess that could also be seen as a bad thing, if you left you car off for a few months, it might drain the battery?
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The difference is the strategy that the radio needs to perform to keep the "pop" out of the speakers when the vehicle is remote started.




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The radio control the ipod on her scion. the difference i'm assuming is I believe the scion keep the ipod in a low power mode. If you unplug it, you lose the saved play spot. I guess that could also be seen as a bad thing, if you left you car off for a few months, it might drain the battery?
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This is not a "problem" but more of a "dislike" instead. I will explain more in just a minute, but first a question.
Was Sirius the last radio band that you listened to (AM, FM, Sirius)?

Chrysler decided that they wanted the system to default to be the last media that was listened to before you started to play the iPod. The reason for this has to do with an issue that people were complaining about who had the factory remote start in the vehicle.
When a vehicle is started with the remote start, Uconnect is not alive but the radio is. The reason why Uconnect is not alive is because:
EX: If the vehicle was in your driveway and was remote started:
1) The vehicle is in the BT range (roughly about 30 - 35 feet), Uconnect would now also connect up to your phone.
2) If you received a phone call, you wouldn't be able to answer the call and the caller would hear basically silence while saying "hello", "hello". "why, wouldn't I be able to answer it?" Well because the call went to Uconnect and is ready to be picked up inside the vehicle. Now if you were quick to think when you heard the phone ringing, you may be fast enough to quickly transfer the call from Uconnect to the phone using the handset. But you would have to be thinking fast instead of saying "hello", "hello" followed by possibly a couple of unfriendly words.
3) If you picked the phone up to make a call, you would enter the number, press send and then expect to hear the phone on the other side ring. You don't hear it. Why? Because the call is going thru Uconnect in the car and the person on the other side is saying "hello", "hello". Possibly now hanging up to call you back only to be sent to voice mail or silence because you picked the phone up. But you never hear each other.

OK, so in order to use your phone when remote started and the vehicle within the BT range, Chrysler and the Uconnect supplier agreed to have Uconnect not powered up until the customer got inside the vehicle and turned the key to the "on" position. Now here's where the "default to " came into play.
When the vehicle is remote started, the radio is also powered up as well as the amp (if the system has an amp) and in "AUX" mode (also being basically silent at this point because there is no audio going thru yet). So when you would get into the vehicle, and turn the key on, Uconnect would need to power up then start iPod play while the radio would already be on and in "AUX" mode with no audio signal.
What happens now? There is an audio "pop" thru the speakers.

Some of you that were around before Car audio amps started having delayed turn on, may remember the "thump" that some of the less expensive amps would get when you turned your radio on. This was caused by a similar issue. The amp would turn on before the radio would power up and send audio signal to it. Then timer circuits were designed to turn the amp on after the radio was on and sending audio signal.
I'm good with it. Thanks for the explanation, xsdbs.
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The difference is the strategy that the radio needs to perform to keep the "pop" out of the speakers when the vehicle is remote started.
well mine is stick, so no factory remote start for me. hers is an auto, but she doesnt have it either. either way, seems like something lame to skimp on. Again, its not really ipod connectivity if its just some tacky plug in. sure, you can voice control it, but even the jeep can download my address book off my phone, would it kill them to have some civilized control over the ipod? its been out for damn near a decade
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I don't understand why you keep calling it a "tacky plug in" or just an Aux input. If it was either of these then you would only have audio output from the headphone jack.
Uconnect takes control of the iPod and all functions go thru the radio, browsing of artist, albums, tracks, playlists, audiobooks, genres, podcast etc. As well as next and previous track and charge the battery.None of this can be controlled by an Aux input or a simple plug in.
What is "skimped on", just the way that it doesn't automatically resume from where it was when you parked without you pressing a button. So then when it was able to resume on early 2011 model vehicles and customers complained about the "pop" thru the speakers as well as customers that thought there was a short in the audio system because of the "pop" and took the vehicle to service where now a warranty claim was charged.
The amount of $$ that were charged to warranty claims for the "pop" were much greater than warranty claims $$$ for not resuming where the iPod was when the customer parked the vehicle.
I have explained to you why it's the way it is. So tell me from a business point of view, which way would have gone if you were Chrysler?
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well mine is stick, so no factory remote start for me. hers is an auto, but she doesnt have it either. either way, seems like something lame to skimp on. Again, its not really ipod connectivity if its just some tacky plug in. sure, you can voice control it, but even the jeep can download my address book off my phone, would it kill them to have some civilized control over the ipod? its been out for damn near a decade
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You're welcome kbwwolf. I did my best to explain it but......


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I'm good with it. Thanks for the explanation, xsdbs.
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I have explained to you why it's the way it is. So tell me from a business point of view, which way would have gone if you were Chrysler?
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but it appears most other car manufactures are able to. I understand there is a cost and complaint issue with making it so the ipod works well with how jeep designed the wrangler. Personally, as a user, I wish they had fixed the issue, instead of removing a problem. I understand what you are you saying from a design standpoint, I think my complaint is that is a crappy fix. I love my wrangler, the only problem I have with it is with some of the "luxury" items they add. things like not being able to put the clock on the dash while the jeep is running, or the ipod not being able to stay on when the jeep is started, or not having auto up on the windows even though I have auto down. Does it matter for enjoying the jeep? not at all. but you know if i'm gonna have a feature, I might as well get the whole feature, and not just the cheap parts! In terms of calling it a cheap aux, it's because it makes it seem like the designers of the system said "I have a usb port. a hard drive will plug into it. I need to be able to pull items from that hard drive, figure out which items are music, and play them, either through the screen of the radio unit or through voice. and that is all" That's not ipod integration, thats mp3 compatibility. huge difference
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Interesting explanation regarding the remote start and uconnect delay. It makes perfect sense. Only problem is I have a manual trans so remote start is a non-issue for me.

Yes, Sirius was the last "radio" band I was listening to, so it reverted back to that. It is quite a bother that I then have to wait about 20 seconds for Uconnect to renitialize the iPod and then press Aux to pick up where I left off.

Is there any way to reprogram the settings for Uconnect so that I can have it forget about the remote start delay and just pick up where it left off?

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And regarding the "pop" through the speakers on the early 2011 models when it resumed right away, this is quite odd, as I have driven numerous other cars that I have iPod integration and immediately resume where left off without any noises.
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Fixed the issue??? Simple just have the remote start do like everybody else, let everything be powered up and then shutdown when you press the unlock button.
Suppliers build to suit. That means that even if a supplier can think of another way to do something, you suggest it and if the customer (being Chrysler) says "no, we want this", then that's what you build. There is a reason for the UConnect not to be powered up during remote start. (and I explained that). Which means that you can't have an audio signal on without audio on it, if you do then there is a "pop" when the signal is turned on. What is hard to understand here? Nothing was removed, it was fixed.

I understand that you have several other complaints of which I can't give you any insight on. So obviously you're going to complain no matter what I say.





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but it appears most other car manufactures are able to. I understand there is a cost and complaint issue with making it so the ipod works well with how jeep designed the wrangler. Personally, as a user, I wish they had fixed the issue, instead of removing a problem. I understand what you are you saying from a design standpoint, I think my complaint is that is a crappy fix. I love my wrangler, the only problem I have with it is with some of the "luxury" items they add. things like not being able to put the clock on the dash while the jeep is running, or the ipod not being able to stay on when the jeep is started, or not having auto up on the windows even though I have auto down. Does it matter for enjoying the jeep? not at all. but you know if i'm gonna have a feature, I might as well get the whole feature, and not just the cheap parts! In terms of calling it a cheap aux, it's because it makes it seem like the designers of the system said "I have a usb port. a hard drive will plug into it. I need to be able to pull items from that hard drive, figure out which items are music, and play them, either through the screen of the radio unit or through voice. and that is all" That's not ipod integration, thats mp3 compatibility. huge difference
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see the post above. why are you even arguing this? are you a jeep engineer? no body is questioning the mechanics of why it was disabled, its more the annoyance of a $30k vehicle that can't utilize an ipod properly. most other manufactures have it. integrated bluetooth/the ability to speak to a car while being able to use an ipod is not some technology of the future that is still being tested; bwm and mercedes have had it for years. even fords have it these days. but you're right, with no fix, I am just posting to complain. so I'll leave it at that.
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The "POP" is not heard in the early 2011 Chrysler vehicles that don't have the factory remote start systems. It is heard in the vehicles that do have the factory remote start.



Have you driven any of the vehicles with a factory remote start that does not shut down when the unlock button is pressed. This is the difference.
Most of the vehicles out that have a factory remote start shut down when the unlock button is pressed on the remote or the door is opened.
Looking online about factory remote starter systems and the biggest complaint that people have is that the vehicle shuts down when unlocking it and or opening the door. Chrysler's system doesn't shutdown like the others.
Uconnect is not the only supplier that is involved in this, you have Chrysler, the suppliers of Uconnect (which there are 3) and the radio suppliers (which there are 3). Chrysler customers created warranty claims due to the "pop", The radio companies say their strategy is not to have a live input with nothing on the audio line, Uconnect says "ok" then have the radio resume playback on the last listen to media before the customer started playing the Ipod and we'll turn off "resume".



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And regarding the "pop" through the speakers on the early 2011 models when it resumed right away, this is quite odd, as I have driven numerous other cars that I have iPod integration and immediately resume where left off without any noises.
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No, I'm not a Chrysler engineer.

The thread started off with the asking about this and if anyone else is experiencing it. I'm not arguing, but merely explaining why it is the way it is. You don't want to accept that information. So you should have the resume play, the customers that have factory remote should have the "pop" and Chrysler should have warranty claims because of it.
Anyway, the question of why has the iPod doesn't resume play has been given. Like it or not, unfortunately, that's the way it is. I can't change it and you can't change it.




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see the post above. why are you even arguing this? are you a jeep engineer? no body is questioning the mechanics of why it was disabled, its more the annoyance of a $30k vehicle that can't utilize an ipod properly. most other manufactures have it. integrated bluetooth/the ability to speak to a car while being able to use an ipod is not some technology of the future that is still being tested; bwm and mercedes have had it for years. even fords have it these days. but you're right, with no fix, I am just posting to complain. so I'll leave it at that.
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So the other day I got in the car and sure enough, it stayed on the iPod screen and said "initializing" and then picked up playing where it left off. It only has done that ones though, and never again. Odd.
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My 2013 sometimes goes back to my USB inputand sometimes doesn't. It always turns the shuffle off however, a "feature" I don't appreciate.

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