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Old 09-12-2012, 12:49 PM   #271
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Great info and nice jeep

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FYI... You will have to replace the rear lowers as well. The rear LCA's RK uses in the Max travel kit are shorter.
The RK site list 2 different part #'s. one set is to use with stock uppers and one to use along with their Uca's to move the axle back.
Well SOB! I didn't realize that. I wish I had known that before hand. I may see if I can return the two rear LCAs and get the 2 longer LCAs and 2 UCAs.

Would that switch work or would I also need the adjustable rear track bar too? Or would stock work for now? And would the front UCAs be okay stock for now?

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Really, the stock uppers work well with the 2.5" heights. They have more flex than you would think. Personally, I run the 2.5" Max Travel and it is a GREAT kit. There is really no limitations to it. Yes, of course the RK arms is better and the ends are nicer but once you get to this point, most people will not see much of a differance from going from the Max Travel to the X-Factor. Now, I am not saying you can't go that route and upgrade from the Max Travel to the X-Factor because you can. RK has all their kits where you can change and grow the kit as you see fit.

Also, you can run the stock rear track bar with this kit. There again is it as nice as the RK one? No but you still can us the track bar. I would not really worry to much about it unless you start to go higher than the 2.5" or there is a issue with the stocker.

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Okay, that allays some worries I had. I was mostly concerned about moving my rear axle back slightly. I guess I won't have that ability with my 2.5 Max Travel Kit. You think I should not worry about that and stay with the rear stock UCAs and RK LCAs?

I know I'll need to trim my Rubi rails and pinch seem. I'm not worried about doing that. I just didn't want my rear 35s to look goofy and uncentered.

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Really, the stock uppers work well with the 2.5" heights. They have more flex than you would think. Personally, I run the 2.5" Max Travel and it is a GREAT kit. There is really no limitations to it. Yes, of course the RK arms is better and the ends are nicer but once you get to this point, most people will not see much of a differance from going from the Max Travel to the X-Factor. Now, I am not saying you can't go that route and upgrade from the Max Travel to the X-Factor because you can. RK has all their kits where you can change and grow the kit as you see fit.

Also, you can run the stock rear track bar with this kit. There again is it as nice as the RK one? No but you still can us the track bar. I would not really worry to much about it unless you start to go higher than the 2.5" or there is a issue with the stocker.

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Well SOB! I didn't realize that. I wish I had known that before hand. I may see if I can return the two rear LCAs and get the 2 longer LCAs and 2 UCAs.

Would that switch work or would I also need the adjustable rear track bar too? Or would stock work for now? And would the front UCAs be okay stock for now?
I would but then again, I want to adjust for pinion angle as well. I guess it depends on 2door/4 door or new driveshafts or not.
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I would but then again, I want to adjust for pinion angle as well. I guess it depends on 2door/4 door or new driveshafts or not.
I'm 4-door and will be on stock driveshaft until they fail. I was mostly concerned about centering the rear axle. Guess I won't be getting that feature. Oh well...
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Okay, that allays some worries I had. I was mostly concerned about moving my rear axle back slightly. I guess I won't have that ability with my 2.5 Max Travel Kit. You think I should not worry about that and stay with the rear stock UCAs and RK LCAs?

I know I'll need to trim my Rubi rails and pinch seem. I'm not worried about doing that. I just didn't want my rear 35s to look goofy and uncentered.

No, you will be fine. The more lift (higher the JK) the more it "pulls" the axles in closer under the JK. That is one reason RK runs a 1" longer arms on the 3.5" and up kits and also offers a stretch. You will be fine. Heck, some guys dont even trim the pinch seem.

Here is a picture of our JK. RK 2.5" Max Travel (no upper arms or longer rear) on 35's:





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I'm 4-door and will be on stock driveshaft until they fail. I was mostly concerned about centering the rear axle. Guess I won't be getting that feature. Oh well...
You concerned about centering the axle or wheelbase ?
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No, you will be fine. The more lift (higher the JK) the more it "pulls" the axles in closer under the JK. That is one reason RK runs a 1" longer arms on the 3.5" and up kits and also offers a stretch. You will be fine. Heck, some guys dont even trim the pinch seem.

Here is a picture of our JK. RK 2.5" Max Travel (no upper arms or longer rear) on 35's:

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What if I want to get lowers along with the uppers you sold me?
They still would be the longer RK arms correct ?
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You concerned about centering the axle or wheelbase ?
Sorry, the wheelbase in this case.
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What if I want to get lowers along with the uppers you sold me?
They still would be the longer RK arms correct ?
Correct!

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OK guys. I still have to make it look like I am working once in a while, so sorry about taking so long to respond!!
Pics taken from front driver side. Passenger side just a mirror image of D.S.
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Hope this helps. I also made sure to position it inboard far enough so as not to be any kind of problem while flexing and turning
Thats genius! I had little straps on mine and they both tore off. One of them while i was turning. I herd a loud "snap" and then a really loud "ping". I almost shat myself but i was way to puckered for anything to come out! Thought i broke something expensive. Ended up my disco slapped my spring pretty hard. No damage.
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Videos finally!!

Hey Everyone,

Here they are as promised. They took a little longer than expected. Here's the first one, it us talking to Justin Z from Rock Krawler.

Justin worked on the install for us, but before the parts went into the truck we made him explain them. Tell me what you think.

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Here's another one,

We are comparing the 2.5 x-factor's ride to stock in this one.

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I can appreciate that this might be your first crack at video production so I'll try to be as constructive as possible. The royalty-free music used in both videos wasn't very good. It over-powered the production and made it seem like borderline MTV produced pieces instead of good informational videos. Overall you had some good shots to work with like the under-body angles or the full articulation shots that should have been used more often. The "inclinometer" inlet shot was useless due to the camera shaking, I probably would have left that out and would have opted with simple type overlay.

Overall its a great first crack at video production, I think if your "Ross Allen" you have the basics for a good interviewer. Your clear and articulate when you speak and you can tell that some of your questions are scripted but your follow ups are just as strong.
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I can appreciate that this might be your first crack at video production so I'll try to be as constructive as possible. The royalty-free music used in both videos wasn't very good. It over-powered the production and made it seem like borderline MTV produced pieces instead of good informational videos. Overall you had some good shots to work with like the under-body angles or the full articulation shots that should have been used more often. The "inclinometer" inlet shot was useless due to the camera shaking, I probably would have left that out and would have opted with simple type overlay.

Overall its a great first crack at video production, I think if your "Ross Allen" you have the basics for a good interviewer. Your clear and articulate when you speak and you can tell that some of your questions are scripted but your follow ups are just as strong.
Now theres some feedback I can use. I didnt add the music or edit, but was involved. Nothing I say is scripted, it may seem that way because im not totally comfortable in front of the camera. If you've seen my other vids, Its always me holding the cam.

Also, when you tape something when your off road, it always looks CRAZY when your driving through it, Then you see the tape later and it may as well have been a driveway. Video completely tames the terrain.

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Now theres some feedback I can use. I didnt add the music or edit, but was involved. Nothing I say is scripted, it may seem that way because im not totally comfortable in front of the camera. If you've seen my other vids, Its always me holding the cam.

Also, when you tape something when your off road, it always looks CRAZY when your driving through it, Then you see the tape later and it may as well have been a driveway. Video completely tames the terrain.

Thanks Matador.
Not a problem brother, you did a great job doing the the interviews. It came off natural and your follow up questions were on-point. I really liked the parts break-down and the explanation of the seals and your follow up questions, they were exactly what I was thinking. The rest of the stuff is minor and could be worked out through editing. The basis for the video, your interviews and unique shots are there. Now, its just a matter of pulling it all together.

In regards to the music, I understand the need to use royalty-free stuff but there are much better options available and I would limit its use anyway. The intro could be a quick couple of seconds and you should get right into it. Again, I would use your unique under-body and full articulation shots as your off-roading examples. They are different and interesting. But, I would keep the bulk of the videos informational and your interviews. I understand the need to keep them loose and unscripted but I would run down the general topic with the person your interviewing first, then start recording.
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We broke the Axle cam on that trip.

I had just climbed through the most incredible black section at rausch creek. Pulled the camera out, and I could see mud under the lens.

I still have the file, but its corrupted.
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Ive been driving this lifted JK for the past few days, and I have to say, I love it more every day. I was really concerned before hand about MPG loss and power loss but my 12's punch is still there and I havent figured out my MPG yet. It felt a little odd being higher up, and the the larger tires make the whole truck feel bigger. Now I wouldnt change a thing.

The 4.10 gears are just fine with the 34.4" Duratracs, The gearing feels almost better. I didnt like cruising at 80mph before with my tach needle out of the green zone. About 2800-2900 rpm with the stock wheels and 4.10 gears, now Im under 2500 RPM at 80 MPH and although there isnt much pick up in 6th gear now, that is what I wanted from the beginning.

The best car I owned before my jeep was a 2001 corvette. I totally had a love affair with it, and its 6th gear was not for accellerating, it was a cruising gear.

What I mean is, if you want to get good highway mileage, lower RPM in 6th gear is the way to get it. So you crank through the gears to get up to speed and then drop it in 6th to cruise at 75 or 80. Its a more comfortable vs. the way it was before with me pressing harder on gas to cruise at the speed I wanted.

I have a set of 4.88s in the garage but Im not going to change the gearing, That would put me over 3100 RPM at 80 MPH. When you have to drive 3 hours to rausch creek to wheel it, You want to be able to cruise at a higher speed.

I haven't taken it wheeling, but I will this weekend and Ill let you know how the 4.10s hold up in the rocks.

Side note- Im running the tires at 38psi and I like it better than the lower PSI (29psi) that it left rock krawler with. If you feel like your ride is squishy, make your tires a little harder with higher PSI.

I am looking to do the exact same build with my 2012 rubi, the RK kit with the almost 35" duratracs. Thanks for the post.
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Looks great! I was thinking of getting the 2.5 max lift, but after reading this I might step up to the X-factor. Moving the rear axle back scares me a little bit though.
Originally I wanted a 3.5" lift, but after talking with people about having to replace the drive shafts and other problems that come with going over 2.5" I figured I would save the hassle and money. Is this going to be a problem with this lift?
I know everyone recommends wheels with a 4.5 BS, was wondering if a 4.75 BS would work with this kit. I am also looking at the Rancho rs9000xls, any comments of these shocks with this lift? I assume I will also need to buy bump stops with this, is that the only extra purchase I will need?
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Good grief....I just read this entire thread in one sitting as I had been researching the RK lifts today. The lift looks great Pie!

Jason's last few comments aligned w/ what I was already thinking.....start w/ the 2.5 flex system and build from there.

Very interested that you found the stock gearing to be adequate. I'm a lead foot like you and I tend to drive my Jeep like i'm still in a sports car. When I do upgrade, I'll give the stock gears a shot, but I'll make sure to hae some funds set aside to regear, just in case.

Great thread, write-up, review.

I definately need to stay off here if I'm drinking in the near future else I'll end up placing an order /w RK.
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Brian,

It may not be a bad thing! LOL once you get your RK kit on there, you will wish you had done it sooner!

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It may not be a bad thing! LOL once you get your RK kit on there, you will wish you had done it sooner!

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I agree I love mine!
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Good grief....I just read this entire thread in one sitting as I had been researching the RK lifts today. The lift looks great Pie!

Jason's last few comments aligned w/ what I was already thinking.....start w/ the 2.5 flex system and build from there.

Very interested that you found the stock gearing to be adequate. I'm a lead foot like you and I tend to drive my Jeep like i'm still in a sports car. When I do upgrade, I'll give the stock gears a shot, but I'll make sure to hae some funds set aside to regear, just in case.

Great thread, write-up, review.

I definately need to stay off here if I'm drinking in the near future else I'll end up placing an order /w RK.
Thanks bud! you wont be disappointed. I LOVE mine. (just climbed all over moab with it)
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Thanks bud! you wont be disappointed. I LOVE mine. (just climbed all over moab with it)
Glad you're enjoying it.

If I go w/ RK, and that's still an "if" at this point, I'll certainly start w/ the 2.5 flex and go from there.

I've been reading a few other threads and I've tradieda few msgs w/ Jason. My biggest concern at this point is that I've read the 2.5, when installed on a 2-door, adds more than 2.5....closer to 3 or 3.5.

At this time, I'm trying to stay away from the inherent "issues" of a taller lift that would require things like full adjustablitiy, alteration of pinion angle, new drive shaft, etc.

I don't want to overcomplicate things right out of the gate. I just want to run 35s with no rub and go from there.

Feel free to educate/correct me on my statements.
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We have been running our 2.5" Max Travel (same height as the X Factor) on 35's for a while now without any issues! You will not have any issues with the 2.5" height. It does not get you in "issues" height.

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We have been running our 2.5" Max Travel (same height as the X Factor) on 35's for a while now without any issues! You will not have any issues with the 2.5" height. It does not get you in "issues" height.

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Yea Jason! cat like reflexes.

I think people are overly concerned about drive shafts. (with the 2.5 inch lift)

I know the angle is worse on the 2 door, but my expirience is that you will be fine.
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Yea Jason! cat like reflexes.

I think people are overly concerned about drive shafts. (with the 2.5 inch lift)

I know the angle is worse on the 2 door, but my expirience is that you will be fine.
Jason is either a damnable temptress or, in the words of Chef: "He's a succubus chidren."

I'm getting more comfortable w/ the idea of going w/ the RK, just need to do some more reading to put my mind at ease. Still need to get my aftermarket bumpers first, which will help to alleviate some of my concerns regarding the achieved lift height.
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LOL thanks guys! I try to do what I can when I can. I think sometimes that my fingers are going to catch fire!

Now, to be honest, I am not running the stock front DS on our 2dr but it is NOT because of the 2.5" RK lift. We did it to test the prototype of our new KrawlOff-Road line of drive shafts. Like I said, we do a lot of the RK 2.5's and you will be fine...

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