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Old 08-09-2012, 06:54 PM   #91
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Never, just makes me want to get mine even more. when can we expect some video?
Its coming. There is so much coming. We have pieces on the components of the kit itself, the shocks, the tools we used, the install, the measurements, tire and wheel, and Im taking it offroad this weekend to get some more.

My producer is making intros and stuff and he promised me he'd have it done in 2 weeks. But once I started posting in the thread Ive realized that 2 weeks is an eternity. Im trying to get it out as fast as I can. The clips are going to come one at a time as I cattle prod the editor to give them to me.

The guy's got a day job that is screwing with my hobby that I dont pay him to help with. lol

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Yep.... Looks just a little badass. Just a little. Shocks would work/look better on my Jk anyways

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On that note

How much actual lift the 2.5 coils gotcha on your 4 door ?
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On that note

How much actual lift the 2.5 coils gotcha on your 4 door ?

Like a fool, I didnt write down the measurements when we were filming them. So we do have the figures, but I dont know what they are until I get the video.

Im going to go to a jeep dealer tomorrow and Ill park my truck next to a stock rubi with a trailer tow package 18/59 springs and measure them side by side. It was a Rookie mistake but I know everyone is wondering what i actually got. I suspect its slightly more than 2.5.

Although, the 2.5 rating that Rock Krawler gives is vs. Rubi Spring numbers. I asked that as I was trying to figure if it would fit in the garage, and know that 2.5 over a sport vs. 2.5 over a rubi are two different measurements.
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Like a fool, I didnt write down the measurements when we were filming them. So we do have the figures, but I dont know what they are until I get the video.

Im going to go to a jeep dealer tomorrow and Ill park my truck next to a stock rubi with a trailer tow package 18/59 springs and measure them side by side. It was a Rookie mistake but I know everyone is wondering what i actually got. I suspect its slightly more than 2.5.

Although, the 2.5 rating that Rock Krawler gives is vs. Rubi Spring numbers. I asked that as I was trying to figure if it would fit in the garage, and know that 2.5 over a sport vs. 2.5 over a rubi are two different measurements.
I did the same

These numbers are good. I measured another stocker and got the same.

Sport/Rubi should not matter. The jeep with the softer springs will see more but end up the same as the jeep with stiffer springs, if that makes sense.
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I just bought RK 2.5 springs.

Curious as to why RK uses the same coils 4 door/2 door ?
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Oh so you ended up gettin em. Nice
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Oh so you ended up gettin em. Nice
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Old 08-09-2012, 08:19 PM   #99
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It never feels hard to control or leans in a way that I find disagreeable. When I really corner hard I can feel the truck lean a little, but when Im not driving like an idiot it really does feel firm and very good.
thanks for the input. to me lifted jeep=roll overs but was figuring/hopin technology had cured all that
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there is no chance of my truck rolling, It feels totally connected to the ground. Yes my jeep is taller, but its also got a wider center of gravity with the tires pushed out at the corners.

If I was to roll it it would happen on a rock at 1 Mph. The misalignment of the arms in my kit in particular would keep the tires on the ground if the cabin was to lean at high speed.

The feeling of "hey better be careful i might roll it", has not entered my head at any moment, and me and the guys here have been driving it super hard to feel the limits of the suspension, and trying to make the shocks fade.

We have not found the limits, and the shocks have not faded.
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good deal! your stance is the look we'll be goin for
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More thoughts

In case you guys havent noticed, this whole thread is my review of the suspension. I'm letting you know how I feel as I continue to drive the truck. So there is no section coming entitled "the review" Im giving my review in pieces as parts come to mind after driving the Jeep.

in this piece, I want you to know a little about me personally. Im not a mechanic, and im super concervative. When I ordered my '12 I thought to myself, this is the last truck I will ever own. I planned to keep it stock. Dont laugh, I really did.

I was one of those people who thought no one could make a better suspension than chrysler and everyone who said their aftermarket lift was better than stock was kidding themselves.

I was also deathly afraid of power loss and worse MPG. I never got better than 15 and that figure dropping or the truck being slow would make me like it less. So this was a nervous experience adding the lift and tires. I did want a winch however on my stock Rubi, as I wanted it to be absolutley offroad capable.

The winch was what pushed me into the lift. The stock springs couldnt handle the weight in the nose of my truck. I felt it when I accellerated, I felt it when I turned, I felt it when I braked. (braked?) The suspension was not designed to deal with 85 lbs on its bumper, and I was reminded everytime I drove the truck.

Now its been almost a week, and I will say that my truck felt like it lost power the first day but has gained it back. Maybe Im getting better at driving it and operating in lower gear? Regardless, I do not care for new gears. I feel like my gearing is better than it was before. Im not just saying that. I dont have any experience with the 3.8, but with the pentastar with 4.10s, do not be afraid of big tires, your gears are fine.

Ride quality- Every time I drive it I like it better. I know I keep saying that but it really is true. Does it drive better than stock? I will say the RK lift is on par with stock if you have no extra weight on the stock Rubi. Once you put some weight on the Stock suspension, The RK suspension is superior and its not close. Its because the springs are more robust and the RK RRD 2.0 shocks have no equal. The truck is heavier but it somehow feels lighter with regard to the way it carries its own weight.

Maybe a better way to say it is that the components of the RK lift are designed to make the extra weight we lay on our trucks, weightless. I have forgotten the winch is there. Before the lift, I ordered synthetic line to make the winch lighter, but now I dont care if I put it in. Thats how significant the difference with these springs and shocks handling the extra weight is.

Im ordering bumpers next.
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Here's the truck as god intended. Topless with the safari straps, it dosent get any hotter than that.
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I like your build and the reviews, but please - it is a Jeep, not a truck.

Just saying, don't burn me.......
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Good stuff PieFace.

I wonder how much of a difference the Pro version (with aluminum pieces) would make in handling and driving. I'm planning to cough up the extra dough and go with the Pro version.
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Noticed the fairlead on the bumper - how did you mount the winch?

Also, how do the control arms compare to the factory arms with respect to end/hole alignment. Metal cloak has a pic of their arms, factory, and several others but RK are not shown.

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Good stuff PieFace.

I wonder how much of a difference the Pro version (with aluminum pieces) would make in handling and driving. I'm planning to cough up the extra dough and go with the Pro version.

I was wondering that exact same thing. The steel parts only add 49 total pounds to the Jeep, and you wont feel them.

Maybe the pro aluminum parts will feel lighter. but im not sure the difference would be noticable enough if a buyer is in a position where they concerned about weight and goes with a different company vs. RK, because they cannot afford the Pro kit.

So to weight concious jeepers on a budget- dont fear the steel parts. The parts that get replaced from the factory are also steel. When they come out you will be surprised at how heavy they are.

The next question is..... Do you go with the 2.5 Max Travel Pro ($1900) or 2.5 X-Factor Steel ($1900) Is the weight savings enough to not get the upper control arms and rear trackbar?

I wrestled with this very question, and once I understood what was going on under my "Jeep", and the level of tuning that the RK parts do, I wanted to take everything out, and I wanted everything they had installed. I didnt want all new lower control arms and the old non-adjustable rear track bar and non-adjustable upper control arms under there.

When you realize the level of thought and tuning that goes into an RK kit, you want to get the most out of their research and development. I wanted all the parts to be installed with the same goal in mind. Do you have to change the rear trackbar? no. But if you want as much of their tuning as you can get, you want their adjustable trackbar.

What im trying to say is, if there is plenty of doe to go around and you can afford the kit you want in aluminum, great. On a budget, I wouldnt get a lesser kit in aluminum rather than a more complete kit in steel.
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Noticed the fairlead on the bumper - how did you mount the winch?

Also, how do the control arms compare to the factory arms with respect to end/hole alignment. Metal cloak has a pic of their arms, factory, and several others but RK are not shown.

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Fairlead in the bumper- Thats the inverted Engo 9000 in there. I just didnt connect the hook to the outside because i was going to change the steel rope due to me freaking out over its weight.

its on a harbor freight winch plate upside down. I have a write up coming for it, Im trying to figure out where to put the solinoid box.

Metal cloak picture- I know exactly what picture your talking about and RK is not there because the picture is supposed to show you whats wrong with those kits represented. (Its not wrong with RK)

Rock krawler has been making lifts longer and when you see their parts up close and all the measureing and re-measureing that goes into their installation you can rest assured that their attention to detail is so precise that there is no possibility of the misalignment that Metalcloak is showing with the stock and other lift makers in that picture. I did ask.
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Well said. Good discussion PF. That's something to ponder.
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Thanks for the reply. So the RK arm ends are aligned properly (like the factory ones)?

Also, I know you had yours installed, but can one install a RK lift themselves? After putting 2 lifts on my XJ (2nd one totally custom and complete replacement) and helping install 2 OME lifts on JKUs I think I'm up to the task.

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The next question is..... Do you go with the 2.5 Max Travel Pro ($1900) or 2.5 X-Factor Steel ($1900) Is the weight savings enough to not get the upper control arms and rear trackbar?
You had me confused for a bit since you have stated twice now that the Max Travel kit does not include the Rear Upper Arms or Trackbar. I am currently having the 3.5 Max Travel put on which does include those parts so I assumed that the 2.5 would as well based on them both having the same name. So what is sounds like is that the 2.5 X-Factor is pretty much the 3.5 Max Travel minus one inch. Am I correct on this or am I completely off?
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Thanks for the reply. So the RK arm ends are aligned properly (like the factory ones)?

Also, I know you had yours installed, but can one install a RK lift themselves? After putting 2 lifts on my XJ (2nd one totally custom and complete replacement) and helping install 2 OME lifts on JKUs I think I'm up to the task.

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You can completely install this kit yourself, but save the beer for later. The devil is in the details and you need to really measure things correctly.

The one part that you may not be able to do in your driveway is the welding of the rear trackbar relocation bracket. But it comes with a bolt so you can drive it in place to a shop to be welded.
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You had me confused for a bit since you have stated twice now that the Max Travel kit does not include the Rear Upper Arms or Trackbar. I am currently having the 3.5 Max Travel put on which does include those parts so I assumed that the 2.5 would as well based on them both having the same name. So what is sounds like is that the 2.5 X-Factor is pretty much the 3.5 Max Travel minus one inch. Am I correct on this or am I completely off?

Now that I look at it, I agree its confusing.

The 2.5 Max Travel- is the front trackbar, all lower control arms and relocation bracket.

The 3.5 Max travel- is the upper and lower control arms, front and rear trackbars, relocation bracket PLUS the high steer kit.

The 2.5 or 3.5 X-Factor- is the upper and lower control arms, front and rear trackbars and relocation bracket

So if im reading their website correctly...

The 2.5 x-factor is more complete than the 2.5 max travel.

The 3.5 max travel seems to be more complete than the 3.5 x-factor.
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No driveshafts right?
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No driveshafts right?

I went with the 2.5 hoping to not have to do driveshafts. I asked about how to tell if you need new driveshafts, and they told me that you just need to keep checking the boots.
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you dont need to weld on anything with their kit.

everything should be completely bolt on...

the rear trackbar bracket doesn't need to be welded. it's better but crap, mine isn't even welded. . .

http://www.quadratec.com/products/16189_2120.htm
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you dont need to weld on anything with their kit.

everything should be completely bolt on...

the rear trackbar bracket doesn't need to be welded. it's better but crap, mine isn't even welded. . .
X2 it's got like 2 mounting points and 2 u clamps around the axle. I doubt it's going anywhere.
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Im just telling you guys what the RK guys told me.

They said it should be welded.

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