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Old 01-18-2013, 08:43 PM   #1
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rotating 5th tire?

So I have a set of GY duratracs that have been on my JK for the last year and half or so. I have about 13000 miles on them and have rotated them once so far. I did not rotate the 5th tire. I plan on doing it again as soon as it warms up a bit. Is it too late to put the 5th tire in rotation as the other tires have considerably more wear on them?

Also if I leave the 5th tire untouched and eventually purchase new rubber should I replace the (band new) spare? Assuming I go with a different tire?

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Old 01-18-2013, 09:18 PM   #2
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Rotate the spare in. It will give you longer tread life overall.
Keep in mind, if you don't use the spare at all you will still need to replace it
after 6 years or so. Tires have a shelf life.

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Old 01-18-2013, 09:27 PM   #3
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I've never rotated in the spare but it's because I have always gotten new tires before they wear out.
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New tire will throw off my 5 tire rotation
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So I have a set of GY duratracs that have been on my JK for the last year and half or so. I have about 13000 miles on them and have rotated them once so far. I did not rotate the 5th tire. I plan on doing it again as soon as it warms up a bit. Is it too late to put the 5th tire in rotation as the other tires have considerably more wear on them?

Also if I leave the 5th tire untouched and eventually purchase new rubber should I replace the (band new) spare? Assuming I go with a different tire?

Thanks!
I plan to rotate my 5th tire in the mix as well. I think the recommended time frame to rotate is between 5-10k miles though...
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Old 01-19-2013, 07:25 AM   #6
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From my perspective, there is no downside to doing a five tire rotation. You do get 20% more life out of your tires...which is a good thing. You don't waste the spare if you go with a different set the next time around...which is a good thing. Your spare will not be a different effective diameter with brand new tread that rides loudly if you need it...which is a good thing.

The only down side is...that...uh...your spare doesn't look as shiny?


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So I have a set of GY duratracs that have been on my JK for the last year and half or so. I have about 13000 miles on them and have rotated them once so far. I did not rotate the 5th tire. I plan on doing it again as soon as it warms up a bit. Is it too late to put the 5th tire in rotation as the other tires have considerably more wear on them?

Also if I leave the 5th tire untouched and eventually purchase new rubber should I replace the (band new) spare? Assuming I go with a different tire?

Thanks!
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Old 01-19-2013, 07:39 AM   #7
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Add me to the "use it if you got it" crew. I believe in a 5-wheel rotation. Get that extra 20% of use, also keeps you mindful of your spare being inflated properly (how many of you have flat spares and dont even know it?)

Good luck getting a tire shop to do a 5-wheel rotation, though.

Ive been to several shops and every place I go, when I say "Please rotate all five wheels, that includes the spare." They just give me the deer-in-the-headlights look, and Say: "Whu..." then stand there mouth breathing while they try to figure it out.

Then I've gotta remind them by pointing at the vehicle they JUST went and looked at to get the odo reading. Its a jeep, full sized spare feels neglected if you dont let it play, too.

Then they understand....but forget. Even with it written on the work order, they dont do it unless you stand there and hold their hand... "Dont forget this one..."

But, yeah...Use ALL that you have.
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Add me to the "use it if you got it" crew. I believe in a 5-wheel rotation. Get that extra 20% of use, also keeps you mindful of your spare being inflated properly (how many of you have flat spares and dont even know it?)

Good luck getting a tire shop to do a 5-wheel rotation, though.

Ive been to several shops and every place I go, when I say "Please rotate all five wheels, that includes the spare." They just give me the deer-in-the-headlights look, and Say: "Whu..." then stand there mouth breathing while they try to figure it out.

Then I've gotta remind them by pointing at the vehicle they JUST went and looked at to get the odo reading. Its a jeep, full sized spare feels neglected if you dont let it play, too.

Then they understand....but forget. Even with it written on the work order, they dont do it unless you stand there and hold their hand... "Dont forget this one..."

But, yeah...Use ALL that you have.
Same look here. I just told them to do the balance and i will worry about the rotation.
Easier then trying to argue what tire goes where.
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Old 01-19-2013, 07:52 AM   #9
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Didnt spend all that money to have it hang there and look pretty, its gotta earn its keep.
(Im talking about my spare wheel/tire combo)
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Old 01-19-2013, 08:03 AM   #10
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When I asked my dealer about it, they told me some people do it, some people don't. They also told me it's a good idea to do it to prevent dry-rotting and if someone requests it, then they'll do it. I didn't get charged any additional fee for them to do it.

While I could probably do most of the regular maintenance myself (tire rotations, oil changes, etc.), I prefer there to be a paper trail and documentation in case anything happens in the future. I'm most certainly going to cover my ass, especially when it comes to a Chrysler...
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So the general consensus is to rotate all tires. Is there a potential problem with introducing a brand new tire to 3 other that have more wear on them?
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So the general consensus is to rotate all tires. Is there a potential problem with introducing a brand new tire to 3 other that have more wear on them?
I have been doing the 5 rotation since I got my TJ in '04, and do the same with the JK......IMO unless the "spare" has never been in the rotation and the rest have 20-30K on them no big deal...and if you want could even be anal enough to let it skip its turn on the carrier when it comes up after about 20K...I rotate mine every 5K same as I change my oil.
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Old 01-19-2013, 09:47 AM   #13
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I just put my spare in rotation and talked at length with the techs. The best way to determine if the 5 tire rotate would cause any problem depends on the amount of tread left on the other four tires. It they have a good amount of tread wear then the 5th tire may cause a pull. Also, wont help you much in terms of buying time if the other four have had a lot of wear already.

If you do make sure to put the spare on the right rear since that spot wears down faster and the difference in tread will not cause a pull like it would on the front.
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Old 01-19-2013, 11:27 AM   #14
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When I rotated my tires, I rotated all 5 and will continue to do so every 6k miles (every other oil change).
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Old 01-19-2013, 12:03 PM   #15
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Put your spare or new replacement tire on the right rear. Drive it like you stole it for a few thousand miles to help it catch up to the other tires. I swapped my spare and right rear at about 3k just to wipe that "I'm new, steal me!" look off my spare tire.
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If you do make sure to put the spare on the right rear since that spot wears down faster and the difference in tread will not cause a pull like it would on the front.
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Put your spare or new replacement tire on the right rear. Drive it like you stole it for a few thousand miles to help it catch up to the other tires. I swapped my spare and right rear at about 3k just to wipe that "I'm new, steal me!" look off my spare tire.

Is there any particular reason the right rear sees the most wear?
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Old 01-19-2013, 02:24 PM   #17
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Tire rack has a link on how to do a five tire rotation. Printed a copy to keep with my registration, just rotated all five of mine at about five thousand miles.
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Old 01-19-2013, 03:08 PM   #18
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IT'S EASIER
Putting the spare in makes it much easier to rotate them yourself. Then you only need one floor jack, and maybe one jack stand to be extra safe.
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I never get the 20% more wear thing. If a set of tires is going to last 40k you're not going to get 48k out of them by rotating in a fifth tire.
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I never get the 20% more wear thing. If a set of tires is going to last 40k you're not going to get 48k out of them by rotating in a fifth tire.
If each tire spends 8,000 miles as a spare when the car has 48,000 miles on it, then each tire only was on the road for 40,000.
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I never get the 20% more wear thing. If a set of tires is going to last 40k you're not going to get 48k out of them by rotating in a fifth tire.
Think it through.... you'll get there
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The extra 8k miles comes from the fact that each tire spends 20% of the time riding around as your spare. So each tire only goes 40k miles while your Jeep drives 48k.
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I kinda understand the thought process...if you don't plan to keep your Jeep! So I got 40K and need tires instead of 48K but IF you get a "life time rotation and balancing" and you are on your 4th set of tires like (I am) 4sets of tires times 8K miles I almost saved an entire set of tires. Which cost about $1,000. (for 5 tires) yeah I will take that makes my "free rotation and balancing" truly look free!!

My problem is I usually replace tires to go bigger before I wear them out...usually get at least 50K on a set...or wait that would be like 42500 miles on a set?
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Is there any particular reason the right rear sees the most wear?
It was explained to me that in open differentials its because of how your drive shaft spins.. it spins clock wise, therefore 'pushing down' on the right side axle easier then 'lifting' the left axle
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It was explained to me that in open differentials its because of how your drive shaft spins.. it spins clock wise, therefore 'pushing down' on the right side axle easier then 'lifting' the left axle
Correct, the engine is spins clockwise, but the axle torque pushes the right springs upward so the right tire usually loses traction first and starts to spin if you have an open diff. If you're heavy on the gas, the right rear wears faster.

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