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Old 09-10-2012, 02:31 PM   #31
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Yes I understand that. I just meant I wouldn't consider going without a sway bar on the road on an ongoing basis. Maybe I misunderstood your previous post......
My post was from a pure offroad vantage point. I don't expect anyone to drive on the road without one of the sway bars.

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Are you going to the BV Poker Run? I'm sure I'll have this fixed before then but depending on which route I go maybe I'll check out your AR that weekend.
I won't be in town for that unfortunately since it looks like a blast. For the next couple of weeks I'll be trying to get some trails in so if we are ever in the same area the offer stands.

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My post was from a pure offroad vantage point. I don't expect anyone to drive on the road without one of the sway bars.
Hmm, so you're suggesting that running offroad with the sway bar disconnected is not a good idea? That would be the first I heard of that theory and most everything I've learned is quite contrary to that. I'm not suggesting you are incorrect, as I am very green in the offroad and wrenching arena, and judging by your build thread you know more than I could hope to learn, but that is the first argument I've heard for not disconnecting. I'm always interested in opposing viewpoints and this is certainly a new idea to me.
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Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. Check out those two links I gave you and then have fun researching.
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Okay, will do. I've only gotten through the first couple posts on those threads. Damn work keeps getting in the way of important stuff!
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Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. Check out those two links I gave you and then have fun researching.
Good read and my thick head actually learned something new!
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Good read all the way through and a good discussion for sure. While I can certainly see the benefits I don't think I can say definitively that disconnecting is a terrible idea especially pending the type of terrain. After reading that would I go with the AR if money were no object? Probably, but to do it right and go front and rear is just shy of a grand to essentially improve upon on issue I havent felt needed improvement. Gonna need to do some more reading.
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While I can certainly see the benefits
What are the benefits?
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I don't think I can say definitively that disconnecting is a terrible idea especially pending the type of terrain.
I never said it was a terrible idea. But there are better ways to accomplish usable articulation while not losing any stability and control. Your standard disconnected front/connected rear setup is fine for easy stuff. Once you get serious about wheeling, are able to see the big picture, and are able to appreciate stability you'll remove the stock sway bar and replace it with a torsion bar setup like the AR.
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After reading that would I go with the AR if money were no object? Probably, but to do it right and go front and rear is just shy of a grand to essentially improve upon on issue I havent felt needed improvement.
You don't 'need' to get a rear AR. While it's functionally more superior to the stock bar, it's flexible enough to not limit articulation while providing a good counter for a front AR.
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Gonna need to do some more reading.
Not a bad idea. Educating yourself on these types of topics--especially suspension--will change the way you view things. You'll catch on to all of the BS claims and marketing jargon that manufacturers spit out and you'll be able to much better differentiate between products that are worth a damn and those that aren't.
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[QUOTE=Imped;2778228]What are the benefits?

Is this a reading comprehension test? Seems like it gives you more stability, control and predictability out of your suspension. There seems to be some debate on other benefits included added traction from what I remember but I was doing about 12 things at once while reading it. Did I pass?

I could swear someone in there said that only running with one of the AR wouldn't do all that much for you....

As for getting serious about wheeling. I like tackling tough trails, getting on some rocks etc but I'm not gonna climb rocks like in your thread in my jeep. I save real rock climbing for myself.

Off to pull some stuff off and see what I can figure out about this motor.
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For 90% of the wheeling situations/trails a JK owner is going to be on, the factory
full disconnected system will kick butt over a connected one. Now if you change one to an AR system will it perform better over that same trail...?
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You will still see benefits with just a front. I'll go with a rear at some point, but as you mentioned it's pricy to do both at the same time.
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Seems like it gives you more stability, control and predictability out of your suspension.
You got it.
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There seems to be some debate on other benefits included added traction
The debate is between people who get it and people who don't. There's no true debate. Hell, draw out a simple force diagram or use my seesaw example if you're a visual learner. You'll see very little room for interpretation....no debate.
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I could swear someone in there said that only running with one of the AR wouldn't do all that much for you....
You're not comprehending something here. The front sway bar is excessively stiff, hence the need to disconnect the links. The rear axle is not excessively stiff and allows plenty of articulation. The front sway bar is the one that needs to be replaced due to the excessive street-only rate. The rear does not need to be replaced due to the lighter rate that works well......if you want a balanced rig, you don't want one sway bar (the rear) influencing the frame without a countering sway bar on the other end. Enter the flexible torsion bar like the AR. Keep researching and you'll get to that "ah hah!" point where it all makes sense.
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As for getting serious about wheeling. I like tackling tough trails, getting on some rocks etc but I'm not gonna climb rocks like in your thread in my jeep. I save real rock climbing for myself.
Stability isn't only beneficial in rocks.

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full disconnected system will kick butt over a connected one. Now if you change one to an AR system will it perform better over that same trail...?
Agreed. 99% of the JK's that roll off the lot will never touch anything but the street. Half of that remaining 1% will play on easy trails and logging roads. The remainder will do more.....hence the need for better stuff.

This thread is all about the overpriced, underperforming (disconnected does not perform, it just gets by), gimmicky Rubicon e-disconnect system. When it fails, you need options. I'm simply exposing you guys to the best option available if you appreciate performance.

And what do you think about front AR/stock rear vs. disconnected front/stock rear? Do I really even need to give you an answer?
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We added Rubi disco's to my JK- and had the same stupid problem everytime we hit the trail. We found out this was a common problem after the fact. Oops. Then again we haven't re-checked our wiring install since. Mechanical it is for now.
Cool, little known fact- the AEV Procal re-sets the flashing "Sway Bar" light. We used it initially to turn "on" the swar bar dash light/button after our install instead of paying $100 to the dealer. We take it with us wheeling now and can reset the flashing light issue immediately.
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Thankfully my e-disco has not given up the ghost in its 7000 or so miles with a bit of wheeling thrown in. As an annoying aside, between folks leaving fencing in the road and idiots in the parking lot scraping my doors, my car probably has more road damage than trail damage (one slightly bent/popped right front fender and some scraping/finish removal from diffs and skid plating). Moving on - I really wanted D44 front and rear and the lockers (apparently, they are also as evil as the e-disco), the e-disco was icing on the cake.

While I'll not argue as to the merits of AR v. disco, I will state that disco'd is substantially better than stock over a variety of terrain based on my personal experience - the level of control is significantly better and you have more flexibility in line selection (no pun intended). So, if you're Jeep came with the e-disco it's a question of cost-benefit. Do you wheel hard enough that the AR is worth the premium over fixing the stock setup? I'm interested to see how the cost compares between your repair options and the AR - I might find myself in the same situation at some point.

@ Imped - I might actually do that force diagram. I've wheeled one or two things that, perhaps, I had no business on. I cannot help but think that a time or two my front end was not providing as much traction as I needed (certainly not as much as I wanted). Of course, I rarely air down much (and have a bad habit of not airing down at all at times), so I'm not helping it much. As I execute a few upgrades, it'll be interesting to see where the AR falls in my calculus. After all, if I'm "getting by" with my stock system, I might just hang on until either my terrain selection of breakage force the issue.
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Agreed. 99% of the JK's that roll off the lot will never touch anything but the street. Half of that remaining 1% will play on easy trails and logging roads. The remainder will do more.....hence the need for better stuff.
So for those of us who run easy trails/old logging roads, etc, is it worthwhile to even disconnect?
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I went back and re-read the part about 1 sway bar. I got that now, not 1 AR but one sway bar connected and I see what you mean. I'm not trying to argue with you about the value of the AR. While I would like to buy the better product all the time that is not always reasonable. I do appreciate knowing that there are other options out there as I was not aware of this product before you brought it up.
Just pulled the sway bar links and jimmied around with the motor but I got no where, light still flashing and I'm not 100% if its fully connected or not as I don't really have a comparison. I'll have to find a good spot to flex it tomorrow.
This is a stupid question, but how the hell do I get that freaking air dam off? All those plastic screws just keep spinning and dont bite. I cant grab them with anything because it screws inside the bumper and theres no way to get in there with anything.
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Agreed. 99% of the JK's that roll off the lot will never touch anything but the street. Half of that remaining 1% will play on easy trails and logging roads. The remainder will do more.....hence the need for better stuff.
I think you're making these numbers up...

Even on easy trails and logging roads, running disconnected and aired down makes the ride easier on the occupants.

BTW - my overpriced, underperforming, gimmicky Rubicon e-disconnect system did pretty damn well at Rausch Creek.
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I went back and re-read the part about 1 sway bar. I got that now, not 1 AR but one sway bar connected and I see what you mean. I'm not trying to argue with you about the value of the AR. While I would like to buy the better product all the time that is not always reasonable. I do appreciate knowing that there are other options out there as I was not aware of this product before you brought it up.
Just pulled the sway bar links and jimmied around with the motor but I got no where, light still flashing and I'm not 100% if its fully connected or not as I don't really have a comparison. I'll have to find a good spot to flex it tomorrow.
This is a stupid question, but how the hell do I get that freaking air dam off? All those plastic screws just keep spinning and dont bite. I cant grab them with anything because it screws inside the bumper and theres no way to get in there with anything.
Yank it off and toss in garbage
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Some of you are still confused. I'm not telling you to NOT disconnect the front sway bar. It's too stiff and needs to be disconnected if you'll be on uneven terrain. What I'm saying is that leaves you in a far less ideal position than if you had a good sway bar up front instead of none.
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Some of you are still confused. I'm not telling you to NOT disconnect the front sway bar. It's too stiff and needs to be disconnected if you'll be on uneven terrain. What I'm saying is that leaves you in a far less ideal position than if you had a good sway bar up front instead of none.
Maybe we aren't confused...we just didn't read all that junk.
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Some of you are still confused. I'm not telling you to NOT disconnect the front sway bar. It's too stiff and needs to be disconnected if you'll be on uneven terrain. What I'm saying is that leaves you in a far less ideal position than if you had a good sway bar up front instead of none.
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Maybe we aren't confused...we just didn't read all that junk.
I don't care if you read it or not.....comprehension comes from understanding and reading is generally the best way to put the situation into perspective. Reading isn't necessary if you just use your brain to think about what's going on.
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back to the OP's problem, did he disconnect the links and see if the motor is operable or the sway bar's arms are movable.?
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... The best possible thing you can do is educate yourself....then you'll realize how useless running without a sway bar is. You absolutely cannot argue against proper torsion bars--it works better on paper AND in the real world.
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That's exactly what you do when the front is disconnected.

Doesn't make much sense once you have a good understanding of what's going on, does it?
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Some of you are still confused. I'm not telling you to NOT disconnect the front sway bar. It's too stiff and needs to be disconnected if you'll be on uneven terrain. What I'm saying is that leaves you in a far less ideal position than if you had a good sway bar up front instead of none.
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So is writing.
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I don't care if you read it or not.....comprehension comes from understanding and reading is generally the best way to put the situation into perspective. Reading isn't necessary if you just use your brain to think about what's going on.


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So is writing.
Do I need to spell it out any clearer?

The stock sway bar is too stiff. If that's all you've got to work with and you're planning on hitting some uneven terrain, disconnect it.

The smarter option is to run a torsion bar connected at all times.

I'm failing to see what your point is.
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When you are running disconnected wouldn't the tire just flop to the ground with no real support of the jeep?

Where the AR fully plants all tires and holds the weight evenly ?

I'm trying to understand it all
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When you are running disconnected wouldn't the tire just flop to the ground with no real support of the jeep?

Where the AR fully plants all tires and holds the weight evenly ?

I'm trying to understand it all
That's the way I'm understanding it too. Thanks for putting it in layman's terms so I can get it.

Thanks for the input Imped. Learning some stuff here.

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