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Old 03-12-2014, 05:46 PM   #1
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Test drove a Rubicon today. Wow! I loved it. It was so smooth and had so much more power than my TJ. I know some guys like that rough "Jeep" ride but as I get older, I can appreciate a smoother ride. Best part was the seat. I actually had to push it forward a couple of notches to comfortably reach the clutch. I'm going to buy/order one in about ten days after I get back from vacation.

Dealer said they couldn't find any like I wanted but I found at least a dozen within 300 miles that were "exact" matches. I told him I wasn't buying today so he didn't look too hard. I think he just wanted to see if he could find one and get my deposit on the spot.

I'm looking for a white Rubicon, black hard top, auto and connectivity. Not interested in heated seats, automatic air conditioning, etc. I was going to get a Sport but I decided to get a Rubi. This is supposed to be my "Dream Jeep", the one I finally have the funds to mod the way I've always wanted so I just decided to upgrade. Why not? What five grand? Besides, if I ever need it, I've got it. Wife loved it too and kept asking why I wanted to put bigger tires on it. I kind of wondered that too but I know that feeling won't last long

Just had to gush

One question: Anyone been able to order a power dome hood without the Polar or X package? Not a deal breaker by any means but I like the way they look. Enough to order one if I can but not enough to buy one aftermarket and get it painted. Just wondering. Dealer said they could ask.

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Congrats! I use the fact that JUST 300 miles is the Jeep I want...SO, give me a reason NOT to drive 300 miles!

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Congrats! I use the fact that JUST 300 miles is the Jeep I want...SO, give me a reason NOT to drive 300 miles!
There you go. No trade so nothing keeping me local if I can't get a deal.
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I went from a lifted TJ to my new 2013 Rubicon, and yes the power and ride improvement is amazing!
I had the 3.73 in my TJ, and my Jk has the 4.10. Both with automatics.
This new automatic trans, is really amazing, hopefully you will at least test drive one!
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Test drove a Rubicon today. Wow! I loved it. It was so smooth and had so much more power than my TJ. I know some guys like that rough "Jeep" ride but as I get older, I can appreciate a smoother ride. Best part was the seat. I actually had to push it forward a couple of notches to comfortably reach the clutch. I'm going to buy/order one in about ten days after I get back from vacation. Dealer said they couldn't find any like I wanted but I found at least a dozen within 300 miles that were "exact" matches. I told him I wasn't buying today so he didn't look too hard. I think he just wanted to see if he could find one and get my deposit on the spot. I'm looking for a white Rubicon, black hard top, auto and connectivity. Not interested in heated seats, automatic air conditioning, etc. I was going to get a Sport but I decided to get a Rubi. This is supposed to be my "Dream Jeep", the one I finally have the funds to mod the way I've always wanted so I just decided to upgrade. Why not? What five grand? Besides, if I ever need it, I've got it. Wife loved it too and kept asking why I wanted to put bigger tires on it. I kind of wondered that too but I know that feeling won't last long Just had to gush One question: Anyone been able to order a power dome hood without the Polar or X package? Not a deal breaker by any means but I like the way they look. Enough to order one if I can but not enough to buy one aftermarket and get it painted. Just wondering. Dealer said they could ask.
Only way I know to get the X hood is buy it online and have it painted. I think quadratec has them on sale now. Macco or someone similar can match the paint at a decent price. I plan on putting the X hood on my Willys.
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If my dealer can get me a hood, fine. If not, I won't worry about it. Maybe put a blackout decal on or something.

I was 95% sure I was getting an auto but that option is like $1800 because the 4:10s aren't standard anymore. You apparently have to get them but they charge. WTF? My $1800 might be better spent on nicer seats. I don't mind a stick. I have a week in Jamaica and all the booze I can drink to mull it over
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The leather seats suck, as do the cloth seats, don't bother, I upgraded to the leather, and I should have saved the cash and bought after market seats, the foam is terrible, I can already feel the springs. I'm a big guy, and have had A LOT of cars (ask the wife), and these have to be the worst seats I have ever had. I went by an upholstery place, and he said the Jeep seats are not very well made, but he could put stiffer foam in the 2 from seats for $300, so maybe I will do that, but they really are not well made. My 2 cents.... But I love my Jeep!!
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I was 95% sure I was getting an auto but that option is like $1800 because the 4:10s aren't standard anymore. You apparently have to get them but they charge. WTF?
Did something change very recently? I have the auto with 3.73 on my 2 month old Rubicon. I just didn't order the 4.10 option.
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I know such is pretty subjective, but the leather seats I got in my Rubicon are pretty good. I certainly don't feel the springs.

Now, my XJ had 6-way power seats for both the driver and the passenger, and I wish my Rubicon had such. Not so much for the power but for the far greater adjustability.
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Personally I'd rather order one than have one transferred 300 miles....not sure how they do it in your area but I had a F150 and a Tacoma that was transferred for the sale and they just drove them up. 300 miles on the highway at 75 mph with the cruise on or worse isn't necessarily how I like to put my break in miles on my vehicle. Just my $.02




I felt the same way about heated seats on my Rubicon Unlimited when I bought it....I wish I hadn't settled for one without heated seats. They are my only regret for something I didn't get. My Rubicon is an auto w/ 4.10s and it gets great fuel economy and has decent power....it's a great combo and I haven't heard many complain about the auto but you hear a lot of complaining about the new manuals
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Did something change very recently? I have the auto with 3.73 on my 2 month old Rubicon. I just didn't order the 4.10 option.
No, but apparently until last summer, the 4:10s were standard with both the auto and manual. I want the 4:10s and you're right, you can get the 3.73s.

I won't get the seats. I thought that for a minute but I'll likely put covers on all the seats so what's the point? I need to do some research. I might not even need the connectivity option. I plan on an aftermarket head unit and I don't need Navigation. Why would I pay a grand when I have an iPhone and iPad and I can get an aftermarket unit for a lot less. I rarely use navigation as it is. Must do more research.
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I felt the same way about heated seats on my Rubicon Unlimited when I bought it....I wish I hadn't settled for one without heated seats. They are my only regret for something I didn't get. My Rubicon is an auto w/ 4.10s and it gets great fuel economy and has decent power....it's a great combo and I haven't heard many complain about the auto but you hear a lot of complaining about the new manuals
I still might get the auto. I don't know what I'd spend the money on. I was just shocked at the price with the 4:10s. Why they would charge you for them with an auto but not the manual, I have no idea.

And why the heated seats? I guess I could understand if I lived in Michigan or the Yukon but it's not that cold where I live. I've never gotten in my vehicle with cloth seats and thought they were too cold to sit on. Maybe it's one of those things like air conditioning. You think you can live without it until you have it an then you "need" it.

At least my lift/wheels/tires plan hasn't changed...yet.
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I still might get the auto. I don't know what I'd spend the money on. I was just shocked at the price with the 4:10s. Why they would charge you for them with an auto but not the manual, I have no idea.

And why the heated seats? I guess I could understand if I lived in Michigan or the Yukon but it's not that cold where I live. I've never gotten in my vehicle with cloth seats and thought they were too cold to sit on. Maybe it's one of those things like air conditioning. You think you can live without it until you have it an then you "need" it.

At least my lift/wheels/tires plan hasn't changed...yet.

For me the heated seats would be most appreciated on a cool morning over a really cold day. I'm thinking on a cool morning in the 50's with the top down heated seats would be perfect. If I get ambitious I think I'll find out by putting a set in mine.
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For me the heated seats would be most appreciated on a cool morning over a really cold day. I'm thinking on a cool morning in the 50's with the top down heated seats would be perfect. If I get ambitious I think I'll find out by putting a set in mine.
I started another thread here about the poor performance of the factory heated seats. They only get slightly warm, and that's after 10+ minutes. By then, the engine is warmed up, and tons of hot air has started to come from the heater.
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I still might get the auto. I don't know what I'd spend the money on. I was just shocked at the price with the 4:10s. Why they would charge you for them with an auto but not the manual, I have no idea.

And why the heated seats? I guess I could understand if I lived in Michigan or the Yukon but it's not that cold where I live. I've never gotten in my vehicle with cloth seats and thought they were too cold to sit on. Maybe it's one of those things like air conditioning. You think you can live without it until you have it an then you "need" it.

At least my lift/wheels/tires plan hasn't changed...yet.
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Your are correct these wranglers are a far cry from jeeps we grew up with, seats and ride are much better. Getting older there is a time for AC as well as comfortable seats.....you really should not discount the heated seats...you will thank me one day. I even use them in the summer, does wonders for the lower back.
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No, but apparently until last summer, the 4:10s were standard with both the auto and manual. I want the 4:10s and you're right, you can get the 3.73s.

Must do more research.
No, the 4.10 was optional on my 2013 Auto, purchase in March of 2013. I paid $195.00 extra for it, but another Member said, that now it is $395.00 extra!
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If my dealer can get me a hood, fine. If not, I won't worry about it. Maybe put a blackout decal on or something. I was 95% sure I was getting an auto but that option is like $1800 because the 4:10s aren't standard anymore. You apparently have to get them but they charge. WTF? My $1800 might be better spent on nicer seats. I don't mind a stick. I have a week in Jamaica and all the booze I can drink to mull it over
Man, your life sounds way too good right now. Not a worry in the world. You'll do well in Jamaica.
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No, the 4.10 was optional on my 2013 Auto, purchase in March of 2013. I paid $195.00 extra for it, but another Member said, that now it is $395.00 extra!
Right, i ordered mine around then and the auto came with 3.73. I had to upgrade to 4.10.
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Man, your life sounds way too good right now. Not a worry in the world. You'll do well in Jamaica.
Yeah, worse things can happen.

I think I read somewhere that the 4.10 was made an option on the auto trans last summer. What do I know? I'm having a hard time justifying the $1200 for the auto when I have to pay for the 4.10s too and I can get the stick and they'll throw in the gears for free. Maybe that's an incentive to get the stick if so many people are ordering autos. It's working for me anyway. The stick I drove felt like butter compared to my TJ.

Maybe I should start a auto vs. stick thread. By the way, how often should I change my oil?

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The 4.10 was optional on the '12 JKUR w/ AT, also. Mine came with 3.73 which is fine for everything I do with it.
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The leather seats suck, as do the cloth seats, don't bother, I upgraded to the leather, and I should have saved the cash and bought after market seats, the foam is terrible, I can already feel the springs. I'm a big guy, and have had A LOT of cars (ask the wife), and these have to be the worst seats I have ever had. I went by an upholstery place, and he said the Jeep seats are not very well made, but he could put stiffer foam in the 2 from seats for $300, so maybe I will do that, but they really are not well made. My 2 cents.... But I love my Jeep!!
You must be really selective about seats or maybe you got a bad batch of foam. They are not Recaros but they are not bad for a Jeep. They match the ride and sound level. It's a nice balance.
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If my dealer can get me a hood, fine. If not, I won't worry about it. Maybe put a blackout decal on or something.

I was 95% sure I was getting an auto but that option is like $1800 because the 4:10s aren't standard anymore. You apparently have to get them but they charge. WTF? My $1800 might be better spent on nicer seats. I don't mind a stick. I have a week in Jamaica and all the booze I can drink to mull it over
I wouldn't go for the power dome hood, it mostly just collects water. Instead go for the AEV heat reduction hood or you can order the Rubicon X hood from Mopar (its in the catalog).

When I bought mine in 2012 the 4.10s were an option on the automatic Rubicons. Though I don't remember how much they charged, it may have been a free option.
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The leather seats suck, as do the cloth seats, don't bother, I upgraded to the leather, and I should have saved the cash and bought after market seats, the foam is terrible, I can already feel the springs. I'm a big guy, and have had A LOT of cars (ask the wife), and these have to be the worst seats I have ever had. I went by an upholstery place, and he said the Jeep seats are not very well made, but he could put stiffer foam in the 2 from seats for $300, so maybe I will do that, but they really are not well made. My 2 cents.... But I love my Jeep!!
Hmm, I find these leather seats to be built way better than any other I've had, I have had them in every vehicle I've bought, and these are much thicker and more durable material then the rest.
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I can say my 2014 rubicon cloth seats are incredibly comfortable. I got the heated option and I would not have ordered it that way but they were already on and I have to say I have been pretty spoiled. Auto tranny is like $1000 and 4.10's with auto are now $495. for me it is worth the 1500 if for no other reason down the road it opens it up for more buyers if you go to sell. My last standard vehicle I had up for sale (honda crv) it was amazing how many people came and looked at it and as soon as they saw it was a stick said they did not know how to drive a stick.
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My last standard vehicle I had up for sale (honda crv) it was amazing how many people came and looked at it and as soon as they saw it was a stick said they did not know how to drive a stick.
I had the same problem with my first Wrangler. Even though it was pretty clear in my ad that it had a manual trans, everyone who came out to see it acted all surprised, and weren't interested anymore. It was by far the most difficult vehicle to sell, than I ever had.
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This isn't directed at anyone in particular and "to each their own" always applies but IMHO, a lot of owners that find the Jeeps to be clunky, noisy, unrefined, uncomfortable, etc. are coming from sports/luxury cars. I read that 6-speed issues thread and a lot of the people were describing "problems" that sound like my 5-speed in my TJ. Same with seats. Jeep seats aren't the best but if your coming from your Honda or BMW, they will seem uncomfortable. If you're coming from a TJ or CJ, they are like heaven.

I might look into an after market seat heater for the back of the drivers seat for my back. That's a great idea but I'm not sure the factory heaters are going to do the trick.

I'm kind of over the shock of the price of the auto. I'm still not sure and I'll probably test drive one of each before I order. If I like the auto, I'll probably get it. I mean, what's another $1700 or so when you're buying a $40,000 Jeep? I'll get the 4:10s no matter what. I plan to run 35s and while the 3.73s might be acceptable, I think the 4.10s are probably better suited for the bigger rubber.
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I was a able to get a well equiped 14 unlimited rubicon for $36 otd. auto, tow package, 4.10, hard top, heated seats, blue tooth, auto temp control and some other things I have forgotten. it is like a luxury ute lol. l am amazed at how well the heated seats work.
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Since you don't have a trade in, you're in a better position to get a much better deal than you would with a trade since many dealers will make the new price seem lower only to pay you less on the trade to make it up. If you haven't already, take advantage of the free online services like Edmunds, Truecar, carsdirect, etc to get free no hassle quotes. I have two dealers that are offering me quotes of invoice less holdback, which puts me right at $4k under MSRP for the JKUR spec'd out the way I want. It's even better than the Tread Lightly offer of 1% under invoice. Add to that the $500 cash back offer I just received the other day and it's hard to beat.

Another option you can do after you narrow down your dealers is contact the top three and tell them you want to know their absolute best out the door price, and tell them that the dealer with the lowest price will see you in x number of days with a check for that amount in hand. Obviously you don't tell the dealers which other ones you've contacted. And make it clear that you're not interested in a "we'll beat any deal you get by $xx amount" that you want a number so you know how much to make the check out for (or get financing for) ahead of time. Anyway, this has given me good results in the past.

Regarding the hood, Quadratec has them with the option of having it painted prior to shipment. Not cheap though.
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No, but apparently until last summer, the 4:10s were standard with both the auto and manual. I want the 4:10s and you're right, you can get the 3.73s.

I won't get the seats. I thought that for a minute but I'll likely put covers on all the seats so what's the point? I need to do some research. I might not even need the connectivity option. I plan on an aftermarket head unit and I don't need Navigation. Why would I pay a grand when I have an iPhone and iPad and I can get an aftermarket unit for a lot less. I rarely use navigation as it is. Must do more research.
The connectivity group isn't the NAV. It is well worth the minor cost (<$300) IMHO, since you get steering wheel controls, individual tire pressure monitoring with actual pressure readout, and you can change settings like how long your radio plays after ignition is turned off, how long your headlights stay on, etc.

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