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Old 09-15-2013, 09:22 AM   #31
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This is a common sales tactic. Identify the knowledge limits of your mark (that's you), and then begin some sales patter disguised as friendly advice and general knowledge that will naturally lead the mark (again, you, no offense intended) to buy a vehicle that you have on your lot so that you can move inventory rather than try and find/order a vehicle.

Most people know jack and shinola about cars and/or anything mechanical and given their limited education (not a slight, most schools neglect physics almost entirely, most of this stuff only appears in the Engineer section of the course catalog), so you can say some pretty ridiculous things and people will accept them because they have no means of evaluation. A salesman builds rapport so that the customer forgets the salesman's job is not to help them or be their friends - it's to make sales. So much the better if the sales person moves what they want and you leave with a smile.

Simple logic test - is the Rubicon the exact same base vehicle as the Sport/Sahara? Yes. What are the difference? Beefier front axle, some differential trickery, upgraded shocks, different tires. How are any of these, logically speaking, more prone to damage on road? They are not. Logically, how would a part that is made for higher off road stress be more easily damaged by lower on road stress? It wouldn't.

Speaking of bull poop sales lines, I had a guy at a local tire shop trying to sell me ATs for my Rubicon by telling me most mud terrains don't last more than 20-25,000 miles. I calmly pointed out that the mud terrains sitting on my Jeep were at 30,000 miles with 13 mm or so of tread depth left. If 18mm is the starting depth, 5mm is the CHANGE ME NOW depth, that puts me about half way through the KMs life.


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Guys, I am very close to pulling the trigger on a new Rubicon X. In a conversation with a dealer today, he said some things that I want some expert opinions on.

In short, he made the comment that driving a Rubicon on the road "is just going to beat it up" and implied that it is meant to only be used off road. As rediculous as this sounded to me, it left me feeling like I would cause harm to a Rubicon if I used it solely as a daily driver. Is there ANY validity to his claims that if I only drive it on the road, it will cause damage or premature wear?

Also...this same individual indicated the KM's will only last 12,000 miles or so...how true is this.

Thanks in advance.

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What DJL2 said.

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Old 09-15-2013, 11:22 AM   #33
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I own a 2013 Rubicon. It is used every other week on a 300 mile trip on highway back and forth to our cabin up in the mountains. It is great both on pavement and off pavement, so don't let anybody tell you different.
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Put AT tires on a Rubi it is the exact same vehicle (as far as on road manners) as a Sport or Sahara. Only difference would be slightly stiffer shocks.
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Old 09-15-2013, 07:31 PM   #35
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Love the feedback and support...thanks for all the input. You have confirmed what I kind of suspected.

In summary:

1. I should expect the KM's to last a respectable number of miles for a tire of its type.

2. Rubi has great on road manners but is clearly at its best off road.

3. The road is not going to any more harm/wear to a Rubi then it does to any other vehicle.

4. Most dealers need to join a Jeep Forum!

Let me know if I am incorrect on any of the above. Thanks again for all the discussion. Much appreicated.
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Old 09-16-2013, 05:31 AM   #36
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It could all have been in my head, but when I did test drives (and I test drove a manual Sport, Sahara, and Rubicon before I bought), I actually thought the Rubicon had the most pep.

Granted, I went into that knowing that the Rubicon had 4.10 gears (and I wanted the Rubicon, anyway), so it could have been mind over matter, but if there was any hesitation in my mind about which one to get, the test drive cleared it up real quick.
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Old 09-16-2013, 05:56 AM   #37
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My Rubicon is my daily, sounds like rubbish from the salesman.
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Old 09-16-2013, 06:09 AM   #38
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I drive my JKUR 90 miles a day as my daily driver and love every minute. I did swap out to MT's for some AT's at about 1000 miles so a bit of a smoother ride. If you take the Rubicon off road you will thank yourself later...
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2013 JKUR DD here, 90%city driving as my DD and I love it. Had a 2012 VW GTI and this thing is a far smoother ride and I don't have to worry about potholes anymore (the GTI was a pretty stiff car)
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I live in NW PA I have a 2013 10A Rubi i Had just got done wheeling rinsed of the mud aired up the tires cked everything and went to South FL got 18 mpg drove great. I go to NY, Oh all over it is my DD would not have any other.
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I daily a Rubi, and it is fantastic...such fun.
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I find that a Rubicon can be quite the challenge to drive daily. It takes a ton of work and frankly, I have to say it isn't for everyone. It's a constant battle of wills. For instance, yesterday I was driving to the store to get some milk and was going past a very large construction site. Before I could react, the Rubicon slowed down and veered off the road onto this site and floored itself in the dirt/mud throwing up huge rooster tails. It then had the nerve to turn it's steering wheel and start doing donuts!

I was appalled! How I wrestled with that wheel to get it turned back straight again and towards the road. Couldn't even believe it. It spun it's tires all the way back onto the pavement. Pulling up to the market in my mud covered Jeep, I was so embarrassed I forgot to buy milk.

But hey, that's just been my experience.
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Guys, I am very close to pulling the trigger on a new Rubicon X. In a conversation with a dealer today, he said some things that I want some expert opinions on.

In short, he made the comment that driving a Rubicon on the road "is just going to beat it up" and implied that it is meant to only be used off road. As rediculous as this sounded to me, it left me feeling like I would cause harm to a Rubicon if I used it solely as a daily driver. Is there ANY validity to his claims that if I only drive it on the road, it will cause damage or premature wear?

Also...this same individual indicated the KM's will only last 12,000 miles or so...how true is this.

Thanks in advance.
Hahaha.... Well considering my wife DD a manual Rubi on 37s, Id call BS....

Also considering getting it from her from time to time for myself to drive is a pain in the ass, I'd say its a pretty good bet that you will love driving it as a DD.
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I find that a Rubicon can be quite the challenge to drive daily. It takes a ton of work and frankly, I have to say it isn't for everyone. It's a constant battle of wills. For instance, yesterday I was driving to the store to get some milk and was going past a very large construction site. Before I could react, the Rubicon slowed down and veered off the road onto this site and floored itself in the dirt/mud throwing up huge rooster tails. It then had the nerve to turn it's steering wheel and start doing donuts!

I was appalled! How I wrestled with that wheel to get it turned back straight again and towards the road. Couldn't even believe it. It spun it's tires all the way back onto the pavement. Pulling up to the market in my mud covered Jeep, I was so embarrassed I forgot to buy milk.

But hey, that's just been my experience.
I just had to pick myself off the floor.
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I find that a Rubicon can be quite the challenge to drive daily. It takes a ton of work and frankly, I have to say it isn't for everyone. It's a constant battle of wills. For instance, yesterday I was driving to the store to get some milk and was going past a very large construction site. Before I could react, the Rubicon slowed down and veered off the road onto this site and floored itself in the dirt/mud throwing up huge rooster tails. It then had the nerve to turn it's steering wheel and start doing donuts!

I was appalled! How I wrestled with that wheel to get it turned back straight again and towards the road. Couldn't even believe it. It spun it's tires all the way back onto the pavement. Pulling up to the market in my mud covered Jeep, I was so embarrassed I forgot to buy milk.

But hey, that's just been my experience.
Best answer yet. Wish I knew a Rubi wasn't good on the road when I did 20 hrs on the interstate recently.
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Best answer yet. Wish I knew a Rubi wasn't good on the road when I did 20 hrs on the interstate recently.
Agree! Best answer!
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Old 09-16-2013, 03:01 PM   #47
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UpHillBill is always on target.

My Rubicon is a daily driver and I have zero issues with it. Much depends on your expectations. I've repeatedly spent all day and much of the night on a motorcycle doing the Interstate thing, so any Jeep time is a blessing. Others doing long hauls on the Interstate wouldn't be happy in anything less than huge SUV or a luxury car.

Evaluate your driving style and wants, then decide.
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I find that a Rubicon can be quite the challenge to drive daily. It takes a ton of work and frankly, I have to say it isn't for everyone. It's a constant battle of wills.
Actually had me there for the first few sentences!

Seriously, looks like you need a new salesman. I recently ordered a 14 JKUR, and did all the negotiating via email, which was brief. Ended up with a great deal. I think the combination of a straight shooting salesman and his awareness that I knew what I was talking about made for a painless process, which unfortunately is not the norm when purchasing a vehicle.
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Old 09-16-2013, 04:43 PM   #49
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I suppose he might be thinking if you have 4.10 gears and stock tires and drive 80-85mph (common in many areas) that it won't be your best choice as a DD. True story I was at the dealer the other day and had a conversation with a guy who said he did not like his rubicon because it had 4.10 gearing and was too buzzy at highway speed. He said he traveled the interstate between Missoula Mt and Dillon Mt on a regular basis and he was looking for sahara with 3.21's. I wanted to trade him my sport but he wanted a sahara.

what what what??!! I just ordered my rubi x w/ 4.1 gears, plan on throwing 33 12.50s on her right away, & drive philly to nyc once a week. should I have saved $495 & left the 3.73s on it? (got the 4.1s in case I later regret not going w/ 35s.)
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Almost 3,000 miles into an almost-two-month-old JKUR and I love it as a DD!

The only thing I've had to get used to (so far) is the different shift points with the 4.1's (vs. the 3.21's in the '12), topping out around 3.5k rpm (instead of around 2.8k). Apart from that, it's responsive and quick for being what it is. I've lost ~2 mpg on the commute.

Now, to lose the inhibition and get it dirty...

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Almost 3,000 miles into an almost-two-month-old JKUR and I love it as a DD!

The only thing I've had to get used to (so far) is the different shift points with the 4.1's (vs. the 3.21's in the '12), topping out around 3.5k rpm (instead of around 2.8k). Apart from that, it's responsive and quick for being what it is. I've lost ~2 mpg on the commute.

Now, to lose the inhibition and get it dirty...

So with all of this being said, and all the previous posts where most people are very happy with the Rubi as a daily driver, why all the hate on it as a DD?
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I find that a Rubicon can be quite the challenge to drive daily. It takes a ton of work and frankly, I have to say it isn't for everyone. It's a constant battle of wills. For instance, yesterday I was driving to the store to get some milk and was going past a very large construction site. Before I could react, the Rubicon slowed down and veered off the road onto this site and floored itself in the dirt/mud throwing up huge rooster tails. It then had the nerve to turn it's steering wheel and start doing donuts!

I was appalled! How I wrestled with that wheel to get it turned back straight again and towards the road. Couldn't even believe it. It spun it's tires all the way back onto the pavement. Pulling up to the market in my mud covered Jeep, I was so embarrassed I forgot to buy milk.

But hey, that's just been my experience.
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I've had my Rubicon and have only used as a DD for exactly a year. I've had absolutely no issues with it from on-road driving.

But, my questions is... what's a Rubicon X?
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That is interesting what you say about the 4.10 gearing. I have 3.73 in my PU and was going to opt for 4.10 when I finally order my Rubi. Other than slightly worse gas mileage than 3.73 is there really any downside to a 4.10 rear?

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I use my 13 JKR as my DD. Had it since May, just shy of 5K miles. Mostly on-road, some beach driving and one hairy trail, got to use the lockers.

So far, I changed the oil and rotated the tires. No issues.
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Old 10-15-2013, 08:24 PM   #56
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My 09 Unlimited Rubicon is my daily driver.

It drives very nicely with 33s and a 2" lift.

The only thing I would want different is radio controls on the steering wheel like the new ones have. Other than that, no complaints.
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Wow! I wish I had known this 40,000 miles ago AND before I drove it from East Tennessee to Chicago yesterday. Maybe I should have it trailered home tomorrow and just catch a plane so that I don't beat it up too bad. I use my Rubicon for business, family truckster, daily driver, trips to the mall, oh... and off-road stuff, too. It does everything well.
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I put almost 53K on my '12 JKUR before trading it for my '14 JKUR (it's got almost 7K on it already). They function fine as a DD.
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Salesmen need to treat you like a customer and not just a number. He sounds like an idiot. Slap that silly mofo!!
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I think everyone has made it clear the Rubi will not far apart by driving it on pavement.

Regarding the tires, they may not last as long as KOs but they should last 30-35K unless you really hammer them off road on a regular basis.

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