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Old 01-18-2013, 12:48 AM   #31
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I don't think I'd use the word practical in regards to a Wrangler. It's definitely a want!

With that said I use my JKR as a daily drive. 40 miles round trip per day t work and I love every minute of it! I've driven a heavily modified 2001 Tacoma as my daily driver and a modified 2007 FJ Cruiser doing the same. 12 miles round trip on back roads will be an enjoyable experience and I'd spend some time considering more about what you want to do with it down the road. This will help you decide between the models.

I've had lockers in all my vehicles and I don't understand how it's going to wear things out more. Anyway, spend some more time considering what you want out of your Wrangler and this will get you in the right one.

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I got the 2013 JKUR and was debating over it and a Sahara. Since I got my JKUR I've been off roading with Sahara and JK Sports, they are very capable vehicles, but in comparison my JKUR seems effortless in tough spots and it's not my skill, since I've been off road 3 times now, it's the vehicle. The Sport seems a logical choice if you want to do a lot of upgrades, the Rubicon seems the logical choice if you want the most capable vehicle off the lot.

BTW, why is the dealer trying to sell you a less costly vehicle? My dealer asked one good question, what do you really plan on doing with the vehicle, Mall crawling or off-road?

Also, I got mine for off road not a daily driver, but I did drive it too work the last two days.

Love my JKUR, no looking back for me on this decision.

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I have had 2 Rubicon DD's and I wouldn't have it any other way! just make sure they see dirt once a week lol then they are happy too!
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Most people (including myself) who toiled over whether to get the Rubicon are concerned about being able to afford it and/or paying for equipment they will rarely if ever use.

I guess if money isn't an issue and you plan to use the Rubi equipment, buy it.

If the difference in DD ride between a Sport, Sahara, or Rubicon is something you're worried may disappoint you ... you're setting yourself up for disappointment in that respect and hundreds other fine details.

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For me, money was an issue, getting a Rubicon was not. It wasn't an option. I wanted the most capable Jeep on the market, whether I was going to use all it had to offer or not. I was "introduced" to the Rubicon when I saw a documentary on Motor Trend TV or something like six or seven years ago. From there on out, the Rubicon was the only Jeep that mattered. Sure, Sports and Saharas are very nice and very capable vehicles, but when I want something, I buy either the most capable or the top of the line. I don't want "just a Corvette," I want a ZR-1.

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I got the 2013 JKUR and was debating over it and a Sahara. Since I got my JKUR I've been off roading with Sahara and JK Sports, they are very capable vehicles, but in comparison my JKUR seems effortless in tough spots and it's not my skill, since I've been off road 3 times now, it's the vehicle. The Sport seems a logical choice if you want to do a lot of upgrades, the Rubicon seems the logical choice if you want the most capable vehicle off the lot.

BTW, why is the dealer trying to sell you a less costly vehicle? My dealer asked one good question, what do you really plan on doing with the vehicle, Mall crawling or off-road?

Also, I got mine for off road not a daily driver, but I did drive it too work the last two days.

Love my JKUR, no looking back for me on this decision.
My dealer asked me what I planned on doing with my Jeep. My response was, "Enjoying the Jeep I've been fantasizing about for the past six years." He told me, "Well, ya don't need a Rubicon to fantasize." I said, "It ain't the others I fantasize about."

No option for me. No way in hell was I gonna settle for anything but a Rubicon, regardless what equipment it has that I don't need. It was my target and when I have a target, I either hit the bullseye or I don't play the game.
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Thanks for all of the replies. I think I was just having an off day yesterday. I agree with everyone who said I will regret it if I don't get the Rubicon (and I'm sure my wife would agree with you guys). I tend to rush into purchases like this and I wanted to step back this time and be sure I was getting into what I wanted and not something similar to save a few bucks (did that with my Titan and regretted it since). Rubicon it is! I just hope my wife doesn't like the Jeep too much or it won't matter which one I bought because it'll be hers. Thanks again.
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Get what you want not what the dealer wants to sell you.
Let me guess... the dealer had plenty of Sahara's on his lot but no, or few Rubicon's.
I hate car dealers.
I would also consider a different dealer if that is an option.
Just for the 410 gears I would buy the Rubicon. Then when you put bigger tires on later, you still have a better gear ratio than the Sahara's. Plus all the other Rubicon benefits.
There is no downside to a daily driver Rubicon vs a Sahara, your dealer is FOS.
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I bought a sport so I could build it better than a rubi. If you plan on going higher than 4.10s or want the choice of what lockers/axles you want no point in paying more for the rubi if you're going to swap all those extra parts out.
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Dealer seems to be full of it. I daily drive a rubicon with 37s. Short trips, long trips, grocery store trips, wheelin trips...it goes just fine.

As far as the people trying to talk you out of it. You will always find MANY more sport/x/Sahara owners tell people why they don't need or didn't want a rubicon. You'll notice it's much more difficult to find a rubicon owner to tell you NOT to buy one. Take note who owns what and what they're saying in the situation.

I've heard the "gonna build it my way" story many times, usually it's what comes out after accepting they messed up and need an excuse to tell themselves lol. 99% of the ones that once said that, that bought a '12-'13...buy a rubicon. Lol. It's easier to get some big mods on the loan and the higher resale value [always] down the road.

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I've been lurking here for a few weeks and am getting ready give up my Titan and to pull the trigger on my first Jeep. Up to tonight I was set on an Unlimited Rubicon, while at the dealer they tried to suggest a Sahara instead of the Rubicon and I started to doubt my decision. My wants were Billet ext, Black/Dark Saddle Cloth, Dual Top, Connectivity, Heated seats and Auto Climate. I wanted a Rubicon since they first came out, it just wasn't practical until now. Also, I don't do a whole lot of off-roading now, but I hope to get into it and try to get the kids into it also. I plan on keeping this Jeep for a long time, so down the road I would add a lift and larger tires, so the Rubicon seemed to make more sense to me.

A little background on myself and situation. I have two children 4 and 1.5. Both love riding our ATV's with me, so I'm hoping they're going to love the Jeep as much. Now, the Jeep will be my daily driver. I go 6 miles to work one way, on backroads here in PA. Down hill to work and uphill coming home. I avoid traveling the interstate when possible, I like the scenic routes more and less traffic.

The dealer was saying that since the Rubicon has lockers it will lead to more wear when using it for longer trips. Also that the ride will be worse and more overall wear and tear (tires, etc). I test drove a Rubi and I didn't notice much of a difference in the ride.

My question is for those who do use their Rubi for a daily driver, do you have any regrets for doing so? Any positives/negatives to doing so. I know ultimately it's my decision but I just wanted some more opinions from the people who actually have the Rubis (the person I was speaking to at the dealership was one of the owners who gladly showed me their Billet Sahara, so they may have been a little biased). Anyhow, thanks for helping me out and hopefully I'll be posting in the Billet Waiting room soon.
Go for a rubicon, I regret not parting with the extra $ and doing it. The dealer must have some Saharas soccer mom jeeps he can't move.
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I've heard the "gonna build it my way" story many times, usually it's what comes out after accepting they messed up and need an excuse to tell themselves lol.
Nah. It's a Jeep thing. Built not bought
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Dealer seems to be full of it. I daily drive a rubicon with 37s. Short trips, long trips, grocery store trips, wheelin trips...it goes just fine.

As far as the people trying to talk you out of it. You will always find MANY more sport/x/Sahara owners tell people why they don't need or didn't want a rubicon. You'll notice it's much more difficult to find a rubicon owner to tell you NOT to buy one. Take note who owns what and what they're saying in the situation.

I've heard the "gonna build it my way" story many times, usually it's what comes out after accepting they messed up and need an excuse to tell themselves lol. 99% of the ones that once said that, that bought a '12-'13...buy a rubicon. Lol. It's easier to get some big mods on the loan and the higher resale value [always] down the road.

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Nah. It's a Jeep thing. Built not bought
I'm sure I could play that game...But cool story bro.
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I'm sure I could play that game...But cool story bro.
I find it funny how defensive some people get when someone doesn't drool over their rubi. I didn't say one bad thing about them. They're a nice Jeep. But they aren't the end-all-be-all Jeep. They can be improved upon. I just don't see the point for myself buying one when I'd be replacing everything on it. At that point i'd be left with some stickers and the 4:1 tc. Neither of which I really care about.
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I've been lurking here for a few weeks and am getting ready give up my Titan and to pull the trigger on my first Jeep. Up to tonight I was set on an Unlimited Rubicon, while at the dealer they tried to suggest a Sahara instead of the Rubicon and I started to doubt my decision. My wants were Billet ext, Black/Dark Saddle Cloth, Dual Top, Connectivity, Heated seats and Auto Climate. I wanted a Rubicon since they first came out, it just wasn't practical until now. Also, I don't do a whole lot of off-roading now, but I hope to get into it and try to get the kids into it also. I plan on keeping this Jeep for a long time, so down the road I would add a lift and larger tires, so the Rubicon seemed to make more sense to me.

A little background on myself and situation. I have two children 4 and 1.5. Both love riding our ATV's with me, so I'm hoping they're going to love the Jeep as much. Now, the Jeep will be my daily driver. I go 6 miles to work one way, on backroads here in PA. Down hill to work and uphill coming home. I avoid traveling the interstate when possible, I like the scenic routes more and less traffic.

The dealer was saying that since the Rubicon has lockers it will lead to more wear when using it for longer trips. Also that the ride will be worse and more overall wear and tear (tires, etc). I test drove a Rubi and I didn't notice much of a difference in the ride.

My question is for those who do use their Rubi for a daily driver, do you have any regrets for doing so? Any positives/negatives to doing so. I know ultimately it's my decision but I just wanted some more opinions from the people who actually have the Rubis (the person I was speaking to at the dealership was one of the owners who gladly showed me their Billet Sahara, so they may have been a little biased). Anyhow, thanks for helping me out and hopefully I'll be posting in the Billet Waiting room soon.
Ours is a daily driver. If you can deal with the fuel and the risk of driving a vehicle that isn't as safe as a sedan/minivan, than go for it.

Here is the biggest advantage of the Rubicon - a bunch of really smart guys put it together and felt confident enough about it that they'll warranty it for 3 years.
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I find it funny how defensive some people get when someone doesn't drool over their rubi. I didn't say one bad thing about them. They're a nice Jeep. But they aren't the end-all-be-all Jeep. They can be improved upon. I just don't see the point for myself buying one when I'd be replacing everything on it. At that point i'd be left with some stickers and the 4:1 tc. Neither of which I really care about.
Nah I don't have much to ruffle my feathers over. Bought it brand new for $21k, even after wheelin on it for 3 years, I can probably sell any parts I upgrade and still make a buck on 'em. Works for me.
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Don't let anybody fool ya. Kind of like if you want a Harley, but let somebody talk you into buying a Honda. You ain't gonna be happy.
Myself, I bought the wrong JEEP. A Sahara, but now it is a Saharacon!!!
Could have traded it for a Rubi, but decided to build one instead. I know there are stronger builds out there, but I don't need any thing any stronger than what I now have. BUY THE DAMN RUBI, and don't look back if it is within your budget.
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Rubicon is a great choice! I wanted one for years, but when it came down to it, the Moab was the right vehicle for me. I'm in a similar family situation; 2 boys, 4 and 1, and the Jeep is a DD. living in Kansas, there's more mud than rocks, and with the family, any off road fun is going to include loading up the Unlimited with overnight camping gear. As such, I decided on more of an overland vehicle with the interior creature comforts. Haven't had the Moab long, but I'm thrilled with it and will be taking it to Moab this summer to see if it's up to its name sake.
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Another Rubicon Daily Driver. I have no regrets whatsoever. Like many others have mentioned, I wanted a Rubicon and knew full well what the pros and cons were for such a vehicle. I've had mind for just a little under a year and it has been rock solid. Enjoy!
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all i can say is, DO NOT COMPROMISE!

i don't understand it when people go to buy a vehicle (or anything for that matter) and they want the higher up model but settle for the lower one or because its available immediately. get EXACTLY what you want, even if that means ordering. and if you can't afford it, save and wait. again, DO NOT COMPROMISE! you will regret it and always wonder.

case and point: very close friend wanted jeep for years and years. waited until the time was right and settled on 2 door sport (he wanted 4 door sahara or rubi but didn't like payment amounts). guess what happened ... everyone now and then he wishes for 4 door and for accessories and features of rubi. its the worst feeling.

sum up: every purchase i make i always wait until i can get exactly what i want. keeps buyer remorse low and satisfaction high. now if you settle for a slightly lower one because it meets all your needs and you are realistic about your situation, thats different. fine line.
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just buy the rubi,
The way i see it, if you have to ask you need the rubi for a few reasons,
1. You are a top of the line, gotta have the best of everything kinda person.
2. You don't know how to wheel, or where you might go.
3. Don't know how to build a rig to take you where you need it to.
Rubi's are sweet rides. But not for everyone.
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Thanks for all of the replies. I think I was just having an off day yesterday. I agree with everyone who said I will regret it if I don't get the Rubicon (and I'm sure my wife would agree with you guys). I tend to rush into purchases like this and I wanted to step back this time and be sure I was getting into what I wanted and not something similar to save a few bucks (did that with my Titan and regretted it since). Rubicon it is! I just hope my wife doesn't like the Jeep too much or it won't matter which one I bought because it'll be hers. Thanks again.
Well, I've never claimed to know it all, but I do know three things:

1. Never rush into getting married (not that I made the wrong decision...).

2. Never rush into purchasing a home.

3. Never rush into purchasing a vehicle.

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I find it funny how defensive some people get when someone doesn't drool over their rubi. I didn't say one bad thing about them. They're a nice Jeep. But they aren't the end-all-be-all Jeep. They can be improved upon. I just don't see the point for myself buying one when I'd be replacing everything on it. At that point i'd be left with some stickers and the 4:1 tc. Neither of which I really care about.
I get super-defensive. One day you will learn to drool over a Rubicon. My Rubicon's name is Zod, and you will kneel before him.

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just buy the rubi,
The way i see it, if you have to ask you need the rubi for a few reasons,
1. You are a top of the line, gotta have the best of everything kinda person.
2. You don't know how to wheel, or where you might go.
3. Don't know how to build a rig to take you where you need it to.
Rubi's are sweet rides. But not for everyone.
1. Check!

2. Check!

3. Check!
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I have a '12 Rubi as my DD, and so far I've been very happy with it. The 4.10 gear ratio gives it the extra oomph I wanted out of the Pentastar. Plus, it comes ready to handle a lift and bigger wheels. I definitely recommend it!
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These threads are always so entertaining on reasonings.
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I'm sure someone already covered this:

Your dealer is a shyster. They're merely trying to move the product they have rather than the product you want and they're lying to you to do it under the assumption you're too ignorant to realize it.

Between the Rubi and the Sahara the only thing you might notice is how the gear ratio affects things if it's different (both can be had with 3.73 if that's an issue for you...and you're getting an auto). For a 6 mile trip it isn't going to matter at all...not even a little.

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I've been lurking here for a few weeks and am getting ready give up my Titan and to pull the trigger on my first Jeep. Up to tonight I was set on an Unlimited Rubicon, while at the dealer they tried to suggest a Sahara instead of the Rubicon and I started to doubt my decision. My wants were Billet ext, Black/Dark Saddle Cloth, Dual Top, Connectivity, Heated seats and Auto Climate. I wanted a Rubicon since they first came out, it just wasn't practical until now. Also, I don't do a whole lot of off-roading now, but I hope to get into it and try to get the kids into it also. I plan on keeping this Jeep for a long time, so down the road I would add a lift and larger tires, so the Rubicon seemed to make more sense to me.

A little background on myself and situation. I have two children 4 and 1.5. Both love riding our ATV's with me, so I'm hoping they're going to love the Jeep as much. Now, the Jeep will be my daily driver. I go 6 miles to work one way, on backroads here in PA. Down hill to work and uphill coming home. I avoid traveling the interstate when possible, I like the scenic routes more and less traffic.

The dealer was saying that since the Rubicon has lockers it will lead to more wear when using it for longer trips. Also that the ride will be worse and more overall wear and tear (tires, etc). I test drove a Rubi and I didn't notice much of a difference in the ride.

My question is for those who do use their Rubi for a daily driver, do you have any regrets for doing so? Any positives/negatives to doing so. I know ultimately it's my decision but I just wanted some more opinions from the people who actually have the Rubis (the person I was speaking to at the dealership was one of the owners who gladly showed me their Billet Sahara, so they may have been a little biased). Anyhow, thanks for helping me out and hopefully I'll be posting in the Billet Waiting room soon.
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If you've always want a Rubicon you definitely should get one. You never know how deep you may get into 4x4. With the Rubicon you can literally do about anything you are likely to get into without mods. Your driving habits will eventually determine your need to mod. You will know when this happens without anyone having to tell you.

My only hesitation is whether 4.1 or 3.73 axles. I went with 4.1 and automatic, but it is only my daily driver when I want to get frisky. I am in love with my 4.1. If you are on back roads alot it will give a perky sporty ride. Regardless of the ratio you choose, you will be happy with the ride/suspension without doubt.

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Rubicon is a great choice! I wanted one for years, but when it came down to it, the Moab was the right vehicle for me. I'm in a similar family situation; 2 boys, 4 and 1, and the Jeep is a DD. living in Kansas, there's more mud than rocks, and with the family, any off road fun is going to include loading up the Unlimited with overnight camping gear. As such, I decided on more of an overland vehicle with the interior creature comforts. Haven't had the Moab long, but I'm thrilled with it and will be taking it to Moab this summer to see if it's up to its name sake.
Isn't a Moab just a dressed up Sahara? Also, as far as I can tell, Rubi have the same interior options as the Sahara.
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The dealer was saying that since the Rubicon has lockers it will lead to more wear when using it for longer trips. Also that the ride will be worse and more overall wear and tear (tires, etc). I test drove a Rubi and I didn't notice much of a difference in the ride.
Please don't listen to anything this dealer has to say. Consider him the middle man necessary to get your Jeep, nothing else. By making that statement he has discredited himself completely.

I have a Rubicon as a Daily driver (2door) and my wife has a Sahara (4door). That gives me the advantage of living with the different points of views, both in the Rubi vs. sahara discussion and the 2dr. vs. 4dr. discussion.

My Jeep (Rubi) has 4.1 gear ratio and my wife's 3.2. Also, the suspension is firmer on my Rubi. Those two factors alone highlight the overall difference in driving experience from both models. The Sahara feels like driving a Cadillac when compared to my Rubi. Please note, that has good/bad points. The good is its a softer more relaxed drive. The negative is that its not as responsive and handles worst than my Rubi, an overall "boating" feel to it.

Now, you mentioned that you live in PA, I'm not entirely sure where but chances are your probably really close to some off-roading meccas like Rausch. Based on your desire to go offroading and your history with ATV'ing. I'm going to guess that you might be hitting these places up quite frequently. If you do, you'll greatly appreciate the Rubi over the Sahara almost immediately. Wether its the lockers, sway bar disconnect, under armor or 4.1 gear ratio, all these elements will shine above and beyond whatever money your saving over a Sahara. If you didn't live near such a great offroading location I would have probably swayed you more towards the Sahara. But I feel that you'll get more benefit from a Rubi.
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just buy the rubi,
The way i see it, if you have to ask you need the rubi for a few reasons,
1. You are a top of the line, gotta have the best of everything kinda person.
2. You don't know how to wheel, or where you might go.
3. Don't know how to build a rig to take you where you need it to.
Rubi's are sweet rides. But not for everyone.
You missed #4

4. Have a great starting point to build from.

this has been disputed several times and its been proven that for the money, you really do make out great going with a Rubi if you really intend to go offroading. The 4.1 gear ratio and lockers alone make up the difference in pricing if you choose to do that afterward on a Sahara. The swaybar disconnect, suspension and armor are all debatable and could be dismissed.

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