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Old 01-18-2013, 09:04 AM   #61
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Our TJ was totaled.We went shopping, first decision 2 door or 4 door. We used to tow the tj to Colorado every summer. With 4 door we'll just take it and all my wifes stuff.
That done we do wheel so we looked at Rubis only.
Bought a used never off road totally rigged like I wanted.
We'll drive it until the wheels fall off. Also I've still find stuff to add on like lights corbeau seats etc.
I love it and will never look back.

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I had 2006 Rubicon and when I was in the market for the '13, I never even considered the Rubicon. Too much money for a 4door IMO. SO I went for the stripped down Sport for about $13K less than the Rubi next to it. Many features I would never use and didn't want to pay for. Just to get PW/PL it was about $3K more and I got upgraded wheels on the Sport S. I lifted and changed wheels/tires immediately so I decided on no PW/PL. Its a pain in the ass sometimes, but I never lock my Jeep so I don't need PL or a security system. With windows, I would only open my window or my dogs behind me so PW not needed. If I wanted to open all four then the doors will come off. Only thing added was the connectivity group and 3.73 gears. I will say that was worth it too me. The bluetooth alone was great.

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It was a hard sell to the wife on a Sport vs. a Rubi. I knew that I would want to rock 35" tires. After explaining the cost to upgrade axles and gears aftermarket, she saw the light. We're a small family with all of the typical obligations in a stagnate economy. Me, the wife, our 13 yr-old daughter and a 130lb black lab all fit very comfortably with room left over for gear. Had I been a single man, I would have chosen a 2-door, but I don't regret my decision. Our financial situation dictated that I couldn't run out and mod the Jeep to my immediate satisfaction, so I'd have to evolve her over time.

Like you, it was my goal to own a Rubi. I have wanted a Jeep for about the last 20 years. When the time came, I had the means, so that's what I got. I placed my order in August of 2011, took delivery in Sept. As others have stated, it was a great starting platform for me. It has allowed me to wheel right out of the gate and give me time to make all the right mod decisions.

The under armor has already saved me from the random mesquite stumps and large chunks of caliche hidden in the undergrowth when wheeling on our property.

The 4.10 gearing and Rubi44 axles allow me to roll on 35" meats while still maintaining acceptable power. I could probably eek by with 37s if I chose, although I would consider sleeves/gussets.

The transfer case is quite the darling over all other factory options.

I am able to use shock adapters with my 2.5" coil lift as an interim step. The Rubi shocks are "decent" enough to allow me to take my time on shock decisions.

Glad you chose to go with the Rubi. You'll be a happy camper!
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I've seen under arrmor mentioned twice now. What armor...the rock rails? As far as I know, Sports, Saharas, and Rubi's all of the same under armor.

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I've seen under arrmor mentioned twice now. What armor...the rock rails? As far as I know, Sports, Saharas, and Rubi's all of the same under armor.
I have a 2013 JKUR and it came with all kinds of protection under the vehicle.
I may be wrong, but I think that Rubi has more under armor then the rest.
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I've seen under arrmor mentioned twice now. What armor...the rock rails? As far as I know, Sports, Saharas, and Rubi's all of the same under armor.

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I had a hard time deciding between a Rubi and sport... I got the sport and have no regrets yet. I'm a first time jeep owner and find the sport to be very capable. And plan to mod it as needed. A good off road review of the sport on autoblog.com Either way you go your getting a really fun ride :-) enjoy!
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Now, you mentioned that you live in PA, I'm not entirely sure where but chances are your probably really close to some off-roading meccas like Rausch. [/QUOTE]

I'm about 25 minutes North of Rausch and 10 minutes South of Paragon if anyone has heard of or remembers it. The Jeep rides that used to take place at Paragon are what got me started on Jeeps. My aunt had a few TJ's and would participate in the trail rides. I would tag along and she would let me drive the majority of the day. I learned then how capable a stock Jeep could be. I think I read on here that there is a WF ride at Rauch sometime in the late summer or early fall so hopefully I'll be able to participate in that.

Also, I realize it sounded worse what the dealer said then it was. I don't want to knock them because they have been by far the best one I've dealt with so far. They are a smaller family owned place and did not have a vehicle close to my wants on the lot, so they knew from the beginning that I would be ordering. I think they were just trying to save me some cash up front if I wasn't going to be using the Rubicon to it's fullest potential and intent. I wasn't sure with the locker deal because I knew they were only used in 4lo and I may have misunderstood what the dealer was trying to say. Anyhow it just got me thinking so I wanted to turn here for some reassurance.
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Old 01-18-2013, 11:58 AM   #69
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Buy what works best for you....

If you want to end up with a 3" lift and 35's then the rubicon will be a great choice. There set up from the factory and all you need to do is throw the lift and tires on it and it will go places that 90% of the world would never imagine.

If you think your going to get bitten hard by the rock crawling bug and need 37+ then perhaps another model is a better idea. Build up a vehicle with cheaper starting point.....throw some dana 60's,air lockers and 40's on it and it will crush a basic rubicon.

If your never going to use it offroad why waste the $$$. Buy a nice sport or sahara and enjoy that you can remove the top and click into 4x4 at the beach and fire roads.

Personally it alway drove me crazy when people bought Rubicons or Z06 vettes just for the badge.Your not using the vehicle as designed and are just trying to impress people....I typically debadge everything to be sneaky

At 36 y/o (1 4 y/o) I know that I use my vehicles to there limit. with that said I am at a place in my life where I want a very capable trail rig that will work as good on the road. I know I will never go bigger than 35's and I also like the fact that there is a warranty to cover the stock parts if need be.

Personally I'm going JKUR with a 3.5 lift,35's and some armor. I'm going to use it but will do my best to keep the paint and body nice.
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I'm about 25 minutes North of Rausch and 10 minutes South of Paragon if anyone has heard of or remembers it. The Jeep rides that used to take place at Paragon are what got me started on Jeeps. My aunt had a few TJ's and would participate in the trail rides. I would tag along and she would let me drive the majority of the day. I learned then how capable a stock Jeep could be. I think I read on here that there is a WF ride at Rauch sometime in the late summer or early fall so hopefully I'll be able to participate in that.

Also, I realize it sounded worse what the dealer said then it was. I don't want to knock them because they have been by far the best one I've dealt with so far. They are a smaller family owned place and did not have a vehicle close to my wants on the lot, so they knew from the beginning that I would be ordering. I think they were just trying to save me some cash up front if I wasn't going to be using the Rubicon to it's fullest potential and intent. I wasn't sure with the locker deal because I knew they were only used in 4lo and I may have misunderstood what the dealer was trying to say. Anyhow it just got me thinking so I wanted to turn here for some reassurance.
I used to wheel blacks and reds at PAP a couple of times a month. That was years ago though.

I though it was all gone now. Is that not the case?
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Every Jeep Wrangler comes with skid plates (or bars now post 2010).
You either have 2 plates or 3 plates depending on if you have an auto or a stick.

The only extra armor that I know of would be the Rubi Rails.
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I hope you just get what you want. There are plenty of fools that will call you a "poser" or some other crap if you get a Rubi and don't climb Mount Olympus or spend as much time repairing it as you do driving it.

Get what you want to drive and can afford to buy....
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I hope you just get what you want. There are plenty of fools that will call you a "poser" or some other crap if you get a Rubi and don't climb Mount Olympus or spend as much time repairing it as you do driving it.

Get what you want to drive and can afford to buy....
Yeah I wouldn't worry about it. Lots of the people who say things like that are the ones who dive around on the access roads watching other people wheel the harder stuff anyways.
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I didn't read the whole thread to see if someone already mentioned this, but the salesman you talked to is completely full of crap. Find someone else.
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If ur Gunna eventually hard core wheel it. Get the Sahara. And put Dana 60s under it and the t case ect. Cheaper to do it to a Sahara then a rubi in the long run... I took the rubi. Wish I got a Sahara and built it up. But still happy with my bad ass jkur that I'm puttin a 2.5 or 3 on in spring with my new 35s. To each their own.
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If your never going to use it offroad why waste the $$$. Buy a nice sport or sahara and enjoy that you can remove the top and click into 4x4 at the beach and fire roads.
Because he can?

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Personally it alway drove me crazy when people bought Rubicons or Z06 vettes just for the badge.Your not using the vehicle as designed and are just trying to impress people....I typically debadge everything to be sneaky
I don't use my Rubicon "as designed," and I did buy it to impress people...

...like MYSELF!

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I hope you just get what you want. There are plenty of fools that will call you a "poser" or some other crap if you get a Rubi and don't climb Mount Olympus or spend as much time repairing it as you do driving it.

Get what you want to drive and can afford to buy....
People can call me a "poser" all they like. I have a Rubicon, they don't. Sport and Sahara owners can hate on the Rubicon all they like, because at the end of the day, they had to make modifications to their rigs to go where mine will; sorry, thems the facts. That's not to say the Rubicon is "god," but there are reasons it's more expensive than the Sport and Sahara. All three models have their strengths and the Rubicon's is on the rougher stuff. It's just like the differences between a standard Corvette, Z06, and ZR-1. They're all good, and they all excel at different things.
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Because he can?



I don't use my Rubicon "as designed," and I did buy it to impress people...

...like MYSELF!



People can call me a "poser" all they like. I have a Rubicon, they don't. Sport and Sahara owners can hate on the Rubicon all they like, because at the end of the day, they had to make modifications to their rigs to go where mine will; sorry, thems the facts. That's not to say the Rubicon is "god," but there are reasons it's more expensive than the Sport and Sahara. All three models have their strengths and the Rubicon's is on the rougher stuff. It's just like the differences between a standard Corvette, Z06, and ZR-1. They're all good, and they all excel at different things.
Good for you im glad you bought a serious offroad vehicle that gets 15mpg for the street to impress yourself

heres a question...what if someone with a Rubicon calls you a poser?
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Both my V8 4Runner and Rubi get the same mileage (17-21). Sometimes I am tempted to buy a small economical car (old Civic, etc.) but the insurance and cost never gets outweighed by the gas savings. Plus I then have a third vehicle to maintain. Anyway, I am glad I got the Rubi, though I still struggle with the big question- lift or not? I guess I will after the underneath sees a few scrapes.
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Good for you im glad you bought a serious offroad vehicle that gets 15mpg for the street to impress yourself

heres a question...what if someone with a Rubicon calls you a poser?
No clue where did you pull out that 15 mpg
I have 2013 JKUR and I am at 18 mpg in busy Chicago streets traffic.
I highly doubt that there is any difference in gas mileage between different models. I must admit - I didn't check. but the only difference could be the gears. I have 3.73
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Good for you im glad you bought a serious offroad vehicle that gets 15mpg for the street to impress yourself

heres a question...what if someone with a Rubicon calls you a poser?
It doesn't matter to me if you're glad I bought a serious vehicle that gets NINETEEN mpg. Believe it or not, I didn't take your feelings into consideration when I decided to purchase a Rubicon.

If someone else with a Rubicon calls me a poser, so be it.

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No clue where did you pull out that 15 mpg
I have 2013 JKUR and I am at 18 mpg in busy Chicago streets traffic.
I highly doubt that there is any difference in gas mileage between different models. I must admit - I didn't check. but the only difference could be the gears. I have 3.73
No worries, he doesn't have a clue, either.
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No worries, he doesn't have a clue, either.
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No clue where did you pull out that 15 mpg
I have 2013 JKUR and I am at 18 mpg in busy Chicago streets traffic.
I highly doubt that there is any difference in gas mileage between different models. I must admit - I didn't check. but the only difference could be the gears. I have 3.73
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Thats the wife

Putting a picture of ones self in there avatar would be a tad strange???

Take a look in the million mpg threads....

There are only a couple of the jk's that get decent mileage.

4door 4:10 rubicons aren't getting anything close to that at standard freeway speeds.

My point was why get a jeep and not offroad it? There are much better choices for open air vehicles that are good around town.
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Simmer down please...
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It doesn't matter to me if you're glad I bought a serious vehicle that gets NINETEEN mpg. Believe it or not, I didn't take your feelings into consideration when I decided to purchase a Rubicon.

If someone else with a Rubicon calls me a poser, so be it.



No worries, he doesn't have a clue, either.
Been around the block a couple times....

Mostly giving you a hard time for the fun of it.

You can't be all bad since your an F-Body enthusiast. Still miss my old 00 SS
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Thats the wife

Putting a picture of ones self in there avatar would be a tad strange???

Take a look in the million mpg threads....

There are only a couple of the jk's that get decent mileage.

4door 4:10 rubicons aren't getting anything close to that at standard freeway speeds.

My point was why get a jeep and not offroad it? There are much better choices for open air vehicles that are good around town.
So what's the better open-aired vehicle for around town? I have a roomy vehicle with no top, plus sits high enough to see mostly everything I need to. I hardly find pleasure in sitting on the ground in a Miata, caught in a sea of inattentive drivers in big SUVs.

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Mostly giving you a hard time for the fun of it.

You can't be all bad since your an F-Body enthusiast. Still miss my old 00 SS
You're incorrect. I'm a fan of American Muscle Cars, not FBodies. You couldn't pay me to own a 5th generation Camaro. They're stupid looking cars and boring to drive. I drove an SS model a few years ago and it was like piloting the Queen Mary. The new Mustangs are far superior in every way, shape, and form.
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Isn't a Moab just a dressed up Sahara? Also, as far as I can tell, Rubi have the same interior options as the Sahara.
More like a "dressed down" Sahara. You get the Rubi wheels with Silent Armor tires, Trac-Lok, AEV steal rear bumper, steal front bumper and skid, delete the body colored fenders, "power bulge" hood (which probably does next to nothing), and some serious rock rails. Leather, connectivity, heated seats, slush mats, and upgraded top for the interior, all for $5000. The AEV gear alone retails at about $4000, and since that was all stuff I wanted (minus the tires), it made sense. It's pretty much in-between the Sahara and Rubi as far as capability. I'm missing the 4:1 gearing, front dana44 and front locker, and sway bar disconnect, but not a lot of boulders in Kansas. If I lived within 4 hours of mountains, I would have gotten the Rubi.
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So what's the better open-aired vehicle for around town? I have a roomy vehicle with no top, plus sits high enough to see mostly everything I need to. I hardly find pleasure in sitting on the ground in a Miata, caught in a sea of inattentive drivers in big SUVs.



You're incorrect. I'm a fan of American Muscle Cars, not FBodies. You couldn't pay me to own a 5th generation Camaro. They're stupid looking cars and boring to drive. I drove an SS model a few years ago and it was like piloting the Queen Mary. The new Mustangs are far superior in every way, shape, and form.
I picture you in a bmw 328 convertible....

I have to agree on the current generation Camaro. Personaly I thought the LT1 cars were junk as well. I prefered the Fox bodies of that era.

Loved the 98-02...Nothhing touched it bang for the buck

My SS ran pretty hard with a cam and boltons....11.8@118

Had a bunch of fun cars inbetween but they closed all of the so cal tracks so it became a mute point. I think the current 5.0's are this generations 98-02 Fbody...Almost ended up with one 2 years ago but my son didnt fit comfortably in the rear seat

sold my off road toys and the Jeep will be my compromise vehicle.
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go w/your gut man.. i wanted a rubicon, always did. But I live in the city, and only go offroad 1-2xs a week.. Just couldnt justify the extra $8-10K. Ended up w/Stdrd Unlimted(I'll mod the heck out of it). Neighbor got a rubi and loves it .. he's had it 3 years and has never been offroad(which to me is like having a shepherd and never taking it out of the crate(damn shame!)

I took my extra $$ and bought a nice boat, & 4 ATVs for my family,,,never looked back- I'll continue to mod my sport, but just couldnt justify it unless I lived in the mountains or ontop of a rockpile.

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