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Old 01-18-2013, 06:48 PM   #91
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I picture you in a bmw 328 convertible....

I have to agree on the current generation Camaro. Personaly I thought the LT1 cars were junk as well. I prefered the Fox bodies of that era.

Loved the 98-02...Nothhing touched it bang for the buck

My SS ran pretty hard with a cam and boltons....11.8@118

Had a bunch of fun cars inbetween but they closed all of the so cal tracks so it became a mute point. I think the current 5.0's are this generations 98-02 Fbody...Almost ended up with one 2 years ago but my son didnt fit comfortably in the rear seat

sold my off road toys and the Jeep will be my compromise vehicle.
I pissed on LS1 cars with nothing more than a CAI, long tube headers, and a full exhaust. The looks on the owners' faces were priceless. My cousin had a '98 and that piece of trash couldn't break 14.30s @ 97 mph. he used to brag about how fast it was.

The first time I raced an LS1 was when they first came out. This guy had one and I asked him what it ran. He told me it ran 13.70s. I asked him where he ran and he told me he didn't. When I asked him how he knew it ran 13.70s he pulled an issue of Motor Trend out of his back seat!

Well, he lost. After the race he was all concerned, worried something was wrong with his car. "HOW'D I LOSE? THAT'S AN LT1! LT1s ARE SUPPOSED TO BE SLOWER! SOMETHING'S WRONG WITH MY CAR!" I explained to him, "Look, nothing's wrong with your car, it's just simply slower than mine..."

Every single LS1 owner I've ever talked to has claimed 13.10s @ around 108 mph in bone stock trim, yet every single one I saw at the track never broke a 13.60 @ 105 mph, and that was on drag radials. The fastest stock LT1 I ever saw run ran a 13.60 @ 105 mph also. We all agreed his car was a "freak" as most of them were turning in 13.80s-14.10s between 101 mph and 103 mph.

The last time I hit the track I ran a 12.68 @ 112 mph. I wish I still had my '71 El Camino. That one ran 11.80s @ 121 mph. Yeah, a little light in the back end. I wish I could've gotten it to hook up better...

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Get the Rubicon! Lockers make no difference in DD. The package is full of standard features and worth the money. You will be happier off road.

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1-2x a month i get out to E. Texas & Ozarks.. (if i did this 1-2xs a week , i might be able to justify the Rubi). good luck w/whatever you decide
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Life is full of regrets, many of which you have no control over, purchasing a vehicle shouldn't be one of them. I've owned a Sahara and had no real issues with it but always scoped the passing Rubicon. When I decided to get back into a Jeep there was no debate as to which model only which options/colors/dealership etc.

If you can afford the Rubi do it, that will be at least one less regret you'll have to live with
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I pissed on LS1 cars with nothing more than a CAI, long tube headers, and a full exhaust. The looks on the owners' faces were priceless. My cousin had a '98 and that piece of trash couldn't break 14.30s @ 97 mph. he used to brag about how fast it was.

The first time I raced an LS1 was when they first came out. This guy had one and I asked him what it ran. He told me it ran 13.70s. I asked him where he ran and he told me he didn't. When I asked him how he knew it ran 13.70s he pulled an issue of Motor Trend out of his back seat!

Well, he lost. After the race he was all concerned, worried something was wrong with his car. "HOW'D I LOSE? THAT'S AN LT1! LT1s ARE SUPPOSED TO BE SLOWER! SOMETHING'S WRONG WITH MY CAR!" I explained to him, "Look, nothing's wrong with your car, it's just simply slower than mine..."

Every single LS1 owner I've ever talked to has claimed 13.10s @ around 108 mph in bone stock trim, yet every single one I saw at the track never broke a 13.60 @ 105 mph, and that was on drag radials. The fastest stock LT1 I ever saw run ran a 13.60 @ 105 mph also. We all agreed his car was a "freak" as most of them were turning in 13.80s-14.10s between 101 mph and 103 mph.

The last time I hit the track I ran a 12.68 @ 112 mph. I wish I still had my '71 El Camino. That one ran 11.80s @ 121 mph. Yeah, a little light in the back end. I wish I could've gotten it to hook up better...
I was the guy running stock 13.teens @108

The wife and I destroyed that car running hundreds if not thousands of passes at most of the ca tracks. Got down to 12.20 with Bolton's.

Went to a blown vette and then a 06 gto as I was starting a family.

Now its no fun...

Switched over to the classics...love my 69 c10 probably the only cat I have ever been attached to and will never sell.
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I've been daily driving mine for about 7 months now... 3.5" lift, 35's, and no problems. I go wheeling pretty often, usually atleast once a week and when I do, I push it!
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I was torn btw a Sport and a Rubi. I planned to do occasional off road trips, but nothing hard core. A friend at work had a Rubi and told me that if I got the Rubi, I would be very happy with the off road abilities. If I got a sport, i would most likely not do off roading frequently enough to justify the later expenses such as after-market lockers, etc. That really made sense to me.

Plus, my wife, a VERY smart individual, told me that if I got the Sport that I would probably have buyer's remorse every time I saw a Rubi and she didn't want to hear me whine!

The above, plus I liked the interior options (black/tan) with my Natural Green, led me to a 2012 JKUR.

I drive it 10 mi per day each way to work and the ride is a non issue. Soft top in summer and hard top in winter. I wouldn't trade it back for my BMW 330i.
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yeah i am in a unique situation where work is either 3 miles or 5 miles away (granted all city) ... so any real driving spent in it is for fun!
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I was the guy running stock 13.teens @108

The wife and I destroyed that car running hundreds if not thousands of passes at most of the ca tracks. Got down to 12.20 with Bolton's.

Went to a blown vette and then a 06 gto as I was starting a family.

Now its no fun...

Switched over to the classics...love my 69 c10 probably the only cat I have ever been attached to and will never sell.
I was pretty dumb for getting rid of my Camino. For some stupid reason, I thought that at 20 years old, it was time to grow up and I was too old for a hot rod. So, I dumped the El Camino for a brand new 1995 S-10 LS with a four cylinder engine. Yeah, some of the stupid shit we do when we're young...

I held on to the S-10 for about about two years (if that...) and traded it in on my 1994 B4C Camaro. They gave me what I owed on the S-10, if I recall...

While the Camaro surely took some of the sting out of the big mistake I made a few years prior, it just wasn't the same; still isn't. I've gotten far behind on the Camaro and it's an endless pit that will never end. The only reason I hold on to it is because I've been through so much with that car. It's the sentimental value that keeps it in the driveway.

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I was torn btw a Sport and a Rubi. I planned to do occasional off road trips, but nothing hard core. A friend at work had a Rubi and told me that if I got the Rubi, I would be very happy with the off road abilities. If I got a sport, i would most likely not do off roading frequently enough to justify the later expenses such as after-market lockers, etc. That really made sense to me.

Plus, my wife, a VERY smart individual, told me that if I got the Sport that I would probably have buyer's remorse every time I saw a Rubi and she didn't want to hear me whine!

The above, plus I liked the interior options (black/tan) with my Natural Green, led me to a 2012 JKUR.

I drive it 10 mi per day each way to work and the ride is a non issue. Soft top in summer and hard top in winter. I wouldn't trade it back for my BMW 330i.
Good on listening to your wife. Nothing wrong with a Sport or Sahara but it would've killed me every time I saw a Rubicon. I just had to have the Rubicon. It didn't matter to me that I wasn't going to use its capabilities or I was unnecessarily spending money, it's the one I gassed for and the one I just had to have.
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I was pretty dumb for getting rid of my Camino. For some stupid reason, I thought that at 20 years old, it was time to grow up and I was too old for a hot rod. So, I dumped the El Camino for a brand new 1995 S-10 LS with a four cylinder engine. Yeah, some of the stupid shit we do when we're young...
Brother, on a whim, I once woke up and spontaneously drove to the dealership to trade a mint condition (and tweaked) E36 M3 for a base model Nissan Frontier 4x4 because I wanted to demonstrate to my girlfriend (now wife) that I was all responsible and grown up... so, I feel your pain!

The stupid shit we do, indeed...
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Brother, on a whim, I once woke up and spontaneously drove to the dealership to trade a mint condition (and tweaked) E36 M3 for a base model Nissan Frontier 4x4 because I wanted to demonstrate to my girlfriend (now wife) that I was all responsible and grown up... so, I feel your pain!

The stupid shit we do, indeed...
Yep, and in the end all we did was demonstrate our idiocy to ourselves.
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Brother, on a whim, I once woke up and spontaneously drove to the dealership to trade a mint condition (and tweaked) E36 M3 for a base model Nissan Frontier 4x4 because I wanted to demonstrate to my girlfriend (now wife) that I was all responsible and grown up... so, I feel your pain!

The stupid shit we do, indeed...
Wow that is impressively stupid! ha But at least you ended up with a heavily modded jeep in the near future so you can't me that responsible and grown up.....
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Wow that is impressively stupid! ha But at least you ended up with a heavily modded jeep in the near future so you can't me that responsible and grown up.....
Now that we're married, I got nothing left to prove... there were several years in between with "responsible vehicles." Now? Now it's game on! lol
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I bought a sport so I could build it better than a rubi. If you plan on going higher than 4.10s or want the choice of what lockers/axles you want no point in paying more for the rubi if you're going to swap all those extra parts out.
I agree that if you are going to replace the suspension, axles, wheels, tires, etc it would be better to get a sport. I bought a JKUR because it had most of the things that I wanted when I picked it up from the dealership. I ordered it with the options that I thought I would like for a DD and some off road. I won't be running 35's or getting a lift so the Rubicon was a good choice for me. I really enjoy driving it, sometimes I just have to smile going down the road. Great fun!


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Go for the Rubicon if that is what you want. If your planning on swapping out all of the parts that make it a Rubicon then get a sport. Of course being a Jeep owner, I have some Ace Rock Sliders, new bumpers, and a winch in the garage to put on when I get some time off... :-)
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If I was just going to totally mod out my Jeep I would've bought a Sport S instead of a Rubicon. I couldn't care less about D60s, Atlas parts, six inch lifts, etc. The only things I plan on doing are a small lift, wheels/tires, and maybe bumpers. I'm very happy with the Rubicon's performance right outta the box.
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I also drive a Rubicon as my DD. Ordered what I wanted and love it. You may want to consider moving farther from work than 6 miles. That will only be a tease . I love driving mine and go 22miles to work. I also have ATV's and like to off road. Like I experienced with one of my ATV's without lockers, I could not go where some of the others in the group could go. I traded up and got one with lockers. If you get a sport or other model and off road a lot, I suspect you will want to add lockers. Either way I think you love the jeep whatever you select.
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Old 01-22-2013, 09:57 PM   #107
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Another JKUR DD

Mine is also a daily driver. 10 mile commute on the freeway, 35" tires and a 2.5" lift and it is great.
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You won't regret purchasing a Rubicon! It sounds like you already have your mind made up about the things you want in it so ordering one from Jeep would be best. Besides, the 4.10 gears are going to make your Rubicon as a daily driver fun to drive as well as beneficial if you need to pull a lot of weight!

By the way, the Billet is nice, but have you ever considered Commando Green? Just a thought...good luck with everything!
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My '12 Rubi is my DD and I love it. I did have a '10 Islander but always wanted a Rubi, so when the dealer made a good offer to trade I jumped on it.

No regrets at all, counting the days when I take the roof off.
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I've had my Sahara for almost two months, and I love it. If I could do it all over, however, I would have gotten a Rubi.
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I love my 12 Sahara, its my DD and its great. But if (when) I did it again I would get a Rubicon.
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I drive my Rubi 28 miles each way everyday. The days I hate are the days I can't drive her. I feel awesome driving the Rubi every second of every day!!!
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In my opinion there seems to be two kinds of people that buy the Rubicons. Those who just have to have the "best" or "most expensive" to satisfy their egos and those who are actually going to use their Jeeps for what they were designed and built for.

If you are the latter then the Rubicon is the best off-road rig right off the showroom floor. That said, all of the Jeeps are very capable off-road and can be built into whatever you can dream up (and probably some things you can't). Like already mentioned if going to mod the hell out of it and wheel it in extreme conditions then any of them will have to be improved upon, even the Rubicon. If you aren't planning of wheeling at all or just mild off-roading such as fire roads and such then the Sport or Sahara are more than up to the challenge.

Somewhere in between is where the Rubicon found its' niche. Very streetable and great manners on road yet point it at all but the most extreme obstacles off-road and it will perform there as well.

When the wife and I were looking I was only looking at Rubicons because I planned on wheeling mine pretty hard but not to the point of body damage or beating on the drivetrain. I could not afford to purchase a new Rubicon and build it the way I wanted but I lucked out and found one that a guy had that fit description number one, had to have the most expensive. It was only a year old with 3208 miles on the odometer. He had to have a 2012 Rubicon even though there was absolutely nothing wrong with his 2011 and he only had if for a very short time. I wanted the Rubicon and was looking at 2008/09 or possibly a 2010 if the price was right. We stumbled across this 2011 and the wife fell in love with the interior and I liked the virgin drivetrain/body.

I had a modest budget set aside for modifications and could have bought a 2012 Sport or Sahara new but opted to get the 2011 Rubicon and build it for daily driving/weekend wheeling as well as an expedition vehicle for either flat towing behind our 40' coach or hauling to our destination in our enclosed trailer. After about 14 months of ownership and 14k miles that I have put on it I am still in love with it. I enjoy getting behind the wheel every morning going to work or every trip we take it on and exploring off-road. We have done quite a few of the moderate and difficult trails in Moab as well as southwestern Colorado with no difficulty nor damage.

I love the 4:1 transfer case for 98% of the wheeling we do, crawling around on the rocks. However, for those other 2% of the times I can see where the 2 standard 2.72:1 transfer case would be beneficial. There are a few times when the 4:1 is just too low. I debated before purchasing our Rubicon of getting the Sport or Sahara and building up a Dana 44 for the front and installing a Rubicrawler behind the transmission but I am 100% happy with my choice of getting the Rubicon.

The ride was a little noticeably different on the stock Rubicon vs. the other two models but very slight in stock form. Now with my BDS long-arm suspension it rides even better than it did stock in my opinion and flexes fantastic off-road. After my regear my mileage seemed to come back a little and road manners improved greatly compared to the stock 4.10 gears and 35" tires.

Even with all of the extensive modifications that I have done to mine it is my daily driver/weeken wheeler and I see myself having it for a very long time and enjoying every minute of it.

We even sold our SxS and ATVs this past year as we have been having so much more fun off-roading in our new Jeep than we had with our ATVs. I was getting tired of getting camp set up and then having to trailer the ATVs to the trailhead with the motorhome and then doing it all over again the next day when we wanted to hit the trails. Now we unload the Jeep at camp, drive to any trail we want, air down, run the trail, air back up and can cruise back to camp or out to dinner. Best of both worlds in my opinion and we can carry much more gear than we could on the ATVs.

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In my opinion there seems to be two kinds of people that buy the Rubicons. Those who just have to have the "best" or "most expensive" to satisfy their egos and those who are actually going to use their Jeeps for what they were designed and built for.
When I was looking, I was sure I was going to get a Rubicon, because you hate to need lockers and be without, and there's no telling what kind of wheeling I might do!

Then, I started pricing, and realized that at $35,000, I wasn't likely to take it ANYWHERE I might break it. Then, the wife had some "must haves" which were automatic transmission and hardtop. In the end, I gave in to the fact that I probably wouldn't need lockers, but the LSD, and Trac-Loc were great and more my speed. The Moab offered the additional body protection in case I got in to situations I couldn't handle, and the wife and I loved the style to boot! I'm thrilled with my choice (though I've only had it a short time), and I think I made the right one. If I had chosen a Rubicon, I would have likely been equally happy, but it's all about what you need and what you want.
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Well, I finally went out to test drive a Rubicon and a Sahara side by side to compare the rides of the two. Dealer had one of each on the lot in a manual, so it would be a fair side by side comparison. We started with the Rubicon. After the 15 mile trip, my mind was made up and I didn't even drive the Sahara. That was good, the bad thing was it made me second guess my color choice (1st choice was Billet, the test drive Jeep was a Commando which I hadn't consider as a color until that night). After a few days of flip-flopping on the color and some help from my 4yr old daugher, I finally went to the dealer last night and placed my order for a Billet JKUR. Now after a few weeks of deciding what I wanted, I have a few more weeks of waiting but I'm sure it'll be worth it. Thanks again for all the input.
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The wait is hard but worth it. It awesome to get exactly what you want I ordered my JKUR and I'm so glad. Your story it seemed that dealer just wanted to get the Sahara off the lot and started telling BS

The feeling you get the First time you see YOUR JKUR after it arrives its unexplainable.

Have fun with it. I take my kids safe off road places with me. It's lots of fun sharing that family time.

You made the right decision getting what you want. Now you have no regrets.
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i was in the same boat and settled on billet. i was afraid that CG awe would wear off and i would end up regretting color. billet is a safe and awesome color.

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Well, I finally went out to test drive a Rubicon and a Sahara side by side to compare the rides of the two. Dealer had one of each on the lot in a manual, so it would be a fair side by side comparison. We started with the Rubicon. After the 15 mile trip, my mind was made up and I didn't even drive the Sahara. That was good, the bad thing was it made me second guess my color choice (1st choice was Billet, the test drive Jeep was a Commando which I hadn't consider as a color until that night). After a few days of flip-flopping on the color and some help from my 4yr old daugher, I finally went to the dealer last night and placed my order for a Billet JKUR. Now after a few weeks of deciding what I wanted, I have a few more weeks of waiting but I'm sure it'll be worth it. Thanks again for all the input.
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