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Old 01-30-2013, 07:46 AM   #121
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I had a 2010 JK Islander and now have a 2013 JK Rubicon, both used as my DD. When I order the 2013 I got all the options that would make it more convenient for me (leather / heated, remote entry, auto climate, and N730). I drive 40 miles round trip every day and just love the new engine power and being able the set all the doors to unlock at once in the Personal settings. At this time in my life I won't have the extra money for any mods so I bought the Ruby for the biggest bang for the buck.

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I bought a '13 Rubicon as a DD. Only regret I might have is getting a auto instead of a manual. I do live in the city though and sit through traffic ALOT! Coming from a Audi a4 the shifts on a manual Rubicon felt too rough. Other than that I am a happy camper! I do feel good about myself whenever I drive by a Sahara tho!
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Old 01-31-2013, 09:14 AM   #124
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i was in the same boat and settled on billet. i was afraid that CG awe would wear off and i would end up regretting color. billet is a safe and awesome color.
As long as you go on some rides with people every now and then, I don't think your feelings about the Jeep's color will change.

Personally, I love spotting other bright colored Jeeps on the highway.
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don't get me wrong i appreciate the color, i love crush, dozer and other colors but not enough to have it in my garage for next 10 years.
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Rubi 6speed as a DD and wouldn't have it any other way. I'm also a finance manager at a Jeep dealership. The people that come into my office who couldn't decide between a Rubi and any other trim level, and buy anything else but the Rubi, end up being disappointed. Get the Rubicon if you can do it!
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+1 more for the Rubi as a daily driver. Mine's a 12 Unlimited.

The only thing that I'd point out is that on the street, the stock KMs are a bit noisier than the tires on my wife's Sport (Goodyear Wranglers) -- I don't particularly care (or even notice it) but when she's riding with me, she sometimes points it out.
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I had a 2010 JK Islander and now have a 2013 JK Rubicon, both used as my DD. When I order the 2013 I got all the options that would make it more convenient for me (leather / heated, remote entry, auto climate, and N730). I drive 40 miles round trip every day and just love the new engine power and being able the set all the doors to unlock at once in the Personal settings. At this time in my life I won't have the extra money for any mods so I bought the Ruby for the biggest bang for the buck.
That's the reason I ordered a Rubi. I am not planning on doing to much suspension work for a while, so I wanted to best I can get. I am a very novice off roader, and the Rubi. will be far more capable than I am. It will be a vehicle that will allow me to grow in skill level.
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Rubi 6speed as a DD and wouldn't have it any other way. I'm also a finance manager at a Jeep dealership. The people that come into my office who couldn't decide between a Rubi and any other trim level, and buy anything else but the Rubi, end up being disappointed. Get the Rubicon if you can do it!
Agreed. I've had my goals targeted on the Rubi since I first saw them. Anything other than a Rubicon simply wouldn't have done.

Yep, I mall crawl. I'll never use the lockers, and it's a rarity that I will ever use my 4L, either, or disconnect the sway bar. I also plan on doing an AEV 2.5" DualSport lift and wheels/tires...just so to look good on the asphalt.

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That's the reason I ordered a Rubi. I am not planning on doing to much suspension work for a while, so I wanted to best I can get. I am a very novice off roader, and the Rubi. will be far more capable than I am. It will be a vehicle that will allow me to grow in skill level.
Being a "very novice" offroader, it will be a very long time before you're as capable as a stock Rubicon is.
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Agreed. I've had my goals targeted on the Rubi since I first saw them. Anything other than a Rubicon simply wouldn't have done.

Yep, I mall crawl. I'll never use the lockers, and it's a rarity that I will ever use my 4L, either, or disconnect the sway bar. I also plan on doing an AEV 2.5" DualSport lift and wheels/tires...just so to look good on the asphalt.
Wow really? I figured with 3,500 posts, you would have wanted to give wheeling a try at some point.

What's the point of dressing up for a fancy party just to sit in the corner and watch?
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Being a "very novice" offroader, it will be a very long time before you're as capable as a stock Rubicon is.
Yep, that's what I'm thinking. If you look at it that way, not only is the Rubicon a good daily driver proposition, but a good value as well.
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Wow really? I figured with 3,500 posts, you would have wanted to give wheeling a try at some point.

What's the point of dressing up for a fancy party just to sit in the corner and watch?
What does post count have to do with anything? Does a higher post count somehow lift me to a higher plateau?

I'd done the offroad thing once and it bored the s*** outta me. I'm not much for bouncing over rocks for three hours. I would have gotten more out of driving a Smart For-Two around Laguna Seca. Find me some terrain where I can actually do something besides bounce around for three hours and I'd probably enjoy myself.

P.S. The point of sitting in the corner at a fancy party would be to observe all the chicks, target one, make a move, and take her home.
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I can't really compare the Sahara & Rubi. I knew I wanted the Rubicon, test drive one & ordered a new one the next week. But, as far as a DD I have no complaints whatsoever. Picked mine up in June of last year and have 16K miles on it with no regrets. I'm sure you'll enjoy either one but if you had your heart set on the Rubi then get that one.
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Wow really? I figured with 3,500 posts, you would have wanted to give wheeling a try at some point.

What's the point of dressing up for a fancy party just to sit in the corner and watch?
Hence his screen name? "con artist"
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What does post count have to do with anything? Does a higher post count somehow lift me to a higher plateau?

I'd done the offroad thing once and it bored the shit outta me. I'm not much for bouncing over rocks for three hours. I would have gotten more out of driving a Smart For-Two around Laguna Seca. Find me some terrain where I can actually do something besides bounce around for three hours and I'd probably enjoy myself.

P.S. The point of sitting in the corner at a fancy party would be to observe all the chicks, target one, make a move, and take her home.
No. Higher post count doesn't put you in a higher plateau. However, considering all we talk about here are broken parts and mods/fixes to get the Jeeps even more trail/rock ready, it just confuses me why you'd spend time here if the main discussion/ride aspect bores you.

I mean at this point in my life, I have zero interest in starting/planting a flower garden and you certainly wouldn't find me on the gardening forums passing advice and chatting it up with those botanists.

Not judging, or trying to say there's one right way... just genuinely confused.
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Hence his screen name? "con artist"
Dude, if you're referring to how many people here who say they offroad and people who actually do it, over half the people here are "con artists." Who am I conning, I don't hide the fact I own a Rubicon and mall-crawl.

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No. Higher post count doesn't put you in a higher plateau. However, considering all we talk about here are broken parts and mods/fixes to get the Jeeps even more trail/rock ready, it just confuses me why you'd spend time here if the main discussion/ride aspect bores you.

I mean at this point in my life, I have zero interest in starting/planting a flower garden and you certainly wouldn't find me on the gardening forums passing advice and chatting it up with those botanists.

Not judging, or trying to say there's one right way... just genuinely confused.
I spend time here for the same reason everyone else does; we all like Jeeps. I'm in the process of starting a forum for people who own 4x4s and mall crawl.
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Honestly, I've learned a lot of information here about things outside of off-roading. I may modify my Jeep at some point, and I've learned a lot about different options and what I may or may not need to do. I've learned about fixes to problems that have nothing to do with off-roading.

There is nothing on this forum that states you have to be an off-road enthusiast to enjoy it. I like learning different things. I like seeing pictures of what people have done. I'm not super excited about taking my vehicle off-road. This is my daily driver, and I don't have a lot of excess income available to me if I break something in a way that may not be covered under warranty.

It's not your money and it's not your Jeep, so you should be less worried about what other people do with it. For what it's worth, I also bought a Rubicon. At least Dan has taken his off-road once. Mine hasn't been off-road, unless you count the drive way and parking lots. But, I have no regrets, and I'm not wrong for how I use my vehicle.
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Dude, if you're referring to how many people here who say they offroad and people who actually do it, over half the people here are "con artists."
Way over half I would say. Nothing wrong with not wanting to do it. But some people need to realise that when they talk about how there jeep just cant get stuck or they have a guy in there group that can go anywhere with a stock jeep and oppen diffs that there are people who know better and are laughing about them in PMs.
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Honestly, I've learned a lot of information here about things outside of off-roading. I may modify my Jeep at some point, and I've learned a lot about different options and what I may or may not need to do. I've learned about fixes to problems that have nothing to do with off-roading.

There is nothing on this forum that states you have to be an off-road enthusiast to enjoy it. I like learning different things. I like seeing pictures of what people have done. I'm not super excited about taking my vehicle off-road. This is my daily driver, and I don't have a lot of excess income available to me if I break something in a way that may not be covered under warranty.

It's not your money and it's not your Jeep, so you should be less worried about what other people do with it. For what it's worth, I also bought a Rubicon. At least Dan has taken his off-road once. Mine hasn't been off-road, unless you count the drive way and parking lots. But, I have no regrets, and I'm not wrong for how I use my vehicle.
Yep, and you were there for that "once" when I took it offroad, Deb.

I feel guilty that I can't remember anyone's name that we met, but that's more than likely since the only people I really talked to for any length of time were you and James (How is James, BTW...).

Like Deb, I've learned a lot about Jeeps that have NOTHING to do with offroading. I honestly couldn't care less about offroading at Moab or fording five feet of water with an AEV snorkle. I simply do not care. I don't ever plan on getting to Moab and I have enough common sense not to drive my vehicle through five feet of water.

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Way over half I would say. Nothing wrong with not wanting to do it. But some people need to realise that when they talk about how there jeep just cant get stuck or they have a guy in there group that can go anywhere with a stock jeep and oppen diffs that there are people who know better and are laughing about them in PMs.
When has anyone ever known me to brag about how great my stock Jeep is offroad? That's what I refer to as "bench racing." I was on Camaro forums and I'd see the LS1 owners doing it all the time, talking about how their stock LS1 F-Bodies would run 12.90s because GM High Tech Performance ran a 12.90. Then there were the ones claiming they ran consistent 13.10s @ 108 mph, never mind the fact I lived at the track on weekends and NEVER saw one crack 13.60s @ 105 mph.

I've visited this forum for (most of) the people, not the vehicle, but I probably won't be here much longer as I have the tendency to piss a lot of people off with my lack of reservation when it comes to declaring my opinions. I'm pretty sure I have one foot on the banana peel.
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Yep, and you were there for that "once" when I took it offroad, Deb.

I feel guilty that I can't remember anyone's name that we met, but that's more than likely since the only people I really talked to for any length of time were you and James (How is James, BTW...).

Like Deb, I've learned a lot about Jeeps that have NOTHING to do with offroading. I honestly couldn't care less about offroading at Moab or fording five feet of water with an AEV snorkle. I simply do not care. I don't ever plan on getting to Moab and I have enough common sense not to drive my vehicle through five feet of water.

When has anyone ever known me to brag about how great my stock Jeep is offroad? That's what I refer to as "bench racing." I was on Camaro forums and I'd see the LS1 owners doing it all the time, talking about how their stock LS1 F-Bodies would run 12.90s because GM High Tech Performance ran a 12.90. Then there were the ones claiming they ran consistent 13.10s @ 108 mph, never mind the fact I lived at the track on weekends and NEVER saw one crack 13.60s @ 105 mph.
I love how some folks vehicles are so bad ass on forums.
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I love how some folks vehicles are so bad ass on forums.
Seems to be the case! That was up there with the 350Z owners claiming they were running mid-13s and I never saw one break a 14.40 @ 96 mph.

It's not only the sports car forums, it's all the forums. You could probably go to a forum for diesel trucks and somebody will say with a chip they made 1,000 lb-ft of tq with nothing more than a chip, and then somebody will "raise the bs flag," and then somebody right after will say, "Well, Diesel Power Magazine did it!" The next thing you know, everybody with a subscription to "Diesel Power" will be putting up those numbers.
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No harm, no foul.

Whether one chooses to off-road is a personal preference. I did absolutely nothing with my old TJ and I regretted it; so now I'm building my Jeep my way and taking it to places I should have gone to last time.

With that said, since you guys have Rubicon's, it is nice to learn when to use the sway bar disconnect and the lockers if you ever get into trouble on the road. Heck, you paid for it and have the ability, so why not? I knew absolutely nothing about these things before my first trip a month ago and in all honesty was a bit hesitant to even press the buttons in fear of breaking things. For whatever reason, no amount of reading would have made me felt comfortable doing it, but doing it hands on did help boost my confidence in the Jeep. (Again, my personal preference.)

Also, you guys are right. There is a lot of info here beyond off-roading like mods and such. I just figured those that don't wheel probably aren't too interested in the intricacies of it all since I do see a lot of stock, clean Jeeps around me as well. While some do mod for the street, I would venture to guess most just pay shops to do it and not worry about the what and the how.
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I so agree with its your Jeep do what you want. I'm in the process of finishing my build( yea right I posted some of my mods on my 2012 JKU.. I did axels, gears ARB lockers, lift, tires, wheels, trusses on and on. I had people tell me how stupid I was for not buying a Rubicon. Telling me how much money I would lose when I sold. They don't even know my story.
I've had two Rubicon's in the past ( loved them) I knew this would be my last Jeep.
And I wanted to build it myself the way I wanted it. I am 48 yrs old. I am a two time cancer survivor. It's not a matter of if it will come back. But when it comes back.
But then again according to some people on here I'm an idiot.
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I so agree with its your Jeep do what you want. I'm in the process of finishing my build( yea right I posted some of my mods on my 2012 JKU.. I did axels, gears ARB lockers, lift, tires, wheels, trusses on and on. I had people tell me how stupid I was for not buying a Rubicon. Telling me how much money I would lose when I sold. They don't even know my story.
I've had two Rubicon's in the past ( loved them) I knew this would be my last Jeep.
And I wanted to build it myself the way I wanted it. I am 48 yrs old. I am a two time cancer survivor. It's not a matter of if it will come back. But when it comes back.
But then again according to some people on here I'm an idiot.
Kudos man! I hope you're totally wrong bout cancer coming back! Great point though! Bottom line it's your money & buy/build it the way u want! Can't go wrong with that!
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I followed my wife's command of "get what you want now so I don't have to hear you whine about it later", and after crunching some numbers it was only a few grand more to go with the Rubi anyway. Only a 6 mile round trip for me to work 3 days a week, but I can't say enough about how much I enjoy my Jeep. We take it everywhere as the family hauler as well, just installed the 3rd car seat base yesterday in preparation for baby boy #3, inducing her next Saturday!
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I followed my wife's command of "get what you want now so I don't have to hear you whine about it later", and after crunching some numbers it was only a few grand more to go with the Rubi anyway. Only a 6 mile round trip for me to work 3 days a week, but I can't say enough about how much I enjoy my Jeep. We take it everywhere as the family hauler as well, just installed the 3rd car seat base yesterday in preparation for baby boy #3, inducing her next Saturday!
I hear that! I've been doing a ton of research, comparing price and options, and I finally decided to get the Rubicon because I can't see telling my wife in two years that I want to trade a Sahara for a Rubicon. I'm going to have to live with this vehicle for the next 10 years as a daily driver, so I don't want to regret it. It's like buying a big screen tv: you rarely wish you'd bought the smaller size. I do appreciate that different people asses their needs and wants differently, and if the Sahara or Sport suits you better then I'm glad that you made the right choice for you.

Reading through this thread has gotten me really excited. I ordered my JKUR (first jeep) two weeks ago, and I can't wait to get it. I'm 51, no kids but two big dogs. I'm already looking for places to take it off road, and I'm devouring everything that I can find on the subject. My off road dreams may be bigger than the eventual reality, but its gonna be fun regardless. I know that I'm going to hear comments from the "why do you need THAT?" crowd, but I just respond with "why can't you just be happy for me and leave it at that?", and they usually shut up.

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No harm, no foul.

Whether one chooses to off-road is a personal preference. I did absolutely nothing with my old TJ and I regretted it; so now I'm building my Jeep my way and taking it to places I should have gone to last time.

With that said, since you guys have Rubicon's, it is nice to learn when to use the sway bar disconnect and the lockers if you ever get into trouble on the road. Heck, you paid for it and have the ability, so why not? I knew absolutely nothing about these things before my first trip a month ago and in all honesty was a bit hesitant to even press the buttons in fear of breaking things. For whatever reason, no amount of reading would have made me felt comfortable doing it, but doing it hands on did help boost my confidence in the Jeep. (Again, my personal preference.)

Also, you guys are right. There is a lot of info here beyond off-roading like mods and such. I just figured those that don't wheel probably aren't too interested in the intricacies of it all since I do see a lot of stock, clean Jeeps around me as well. While some do mod for the street, I would venture to guess most just pay shops to do it and not worry about the what and the how.
I'm not saying I don't enjoy going off the beaten path, I just don't get anything positive out of bouncing around in rock gardens for hours at a time. It's miserably slow, and it bores me to death. I would go absolutely crazy in a place like Moab where it's probably nothing but a slow, grueling crawl to a destination. I like to move. I like to go a little faster than a crawl, but slow enough to "take it all in." I absolutely loved crawling through a foot and a half of water and the like. It was great. On the trip we took, there was probably about 15 minutes of "trail" driving, and I liked that.

As far as learning all about offroading, I couldn't care less. I get the idea that I wanna choose a line and keep my wheels on the highest points, blah blah blah, but I really don't ever plan on using that "knowledge." I don't go anywhere extreme enough where I'm going to need it, and if I do, I'll know enough, I don't need to be an expert at crawling over Volkswagen-sized rocks.
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I'm not saying I don't enjoy going off the beaten path, I just don't get anything positive out of bouncing around in rock gardens for hours at a time. It's miserably slow, and it bores me to death. I would go absolutely crazy in a place like Moab where it's probably nothing but a slow, grueling crawl to a destination. I like to move. I like to go a little faster than a crawl, but slow enough to "take it all in." I absolutely loved crawling through a foot and a half of water and the like. It was great. On the trip we took, there was probably about 15 minutes of "trail" driving, and I liked that.

As far as learning all about offroading, I couldn't care less. I get the idea that I wanna choose a line and keep my wheels on the highest points, blah blah blah, but I really don't ever plan on using that "knowledge." I don't go anywhere extreme enough where I'm going to need it, and if I do, I'll know enough, I don't need to be an expert at crawling over Volkswagen-sized rocks.
EXACTLY how I feel. Some people like rock crawling, I could care less. I bought my Jeep as a daily driver and to do some hunting and fishing a little off the beaten path. I love being in the outdoors and taking the back roads. And to the people that keep telling me I don't need a Rubicon for that, I say when you make my payment, you can tell me what to buy and how to use it.
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EXACTLY how I feel. Some people like rock crawling, I could care less. I bought my Jeep as a daily driver and to do some hunting and fishing a little off the beaten path. I love being in the outdoors and taking the back roads. And to the people that keep telling me I don't need a Rubicon for that, I say when you make my payment, you can tell me what to buy and how to use it.
Yep. I love the back roads and I'm just all about taking in the whole back roads experience...the fresh air, sounds of nature, and just staring up at the cover of the trees, stars, whatever. It's all about a relaxing, scenic, pleasant drive for me. I don't need to be mudding or offroading to enjoy my Jeep.

...And you're right, until people wanna make my payments, they can keep their mouths shut about how I use my vehicle. If they're so worried about how I use a Rubicon, I guess they should have bought one.
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I feel the same. I have no intention of rock crawling with my Rubicon. But I like the idea that I can if I choose to do so. In the mean time I'll use it to go hunting, fishing, kayaking and snowboarding knowing pretty much nothing is going to stop me.
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