Rubicon on the Beach? - Jeep Wrangler Forum
Jeep Wrangler Forum

Go Back   Jeep Wrangler Forum > JK Jeep Wrangler Forum > JK General Discussion Forum

Join Wrangler Forum Today


Reply
 
Thread Tools

Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on WranglerForum.com
Old 06-03-2012, 05:52 AM   #1
Jeeper
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Hampton Roads, VA
Posts: 63
Rubicon on the Beach?

Long story short...

Almost pulled the trigger on a JKU back in 2010. I went in another direction when my wife noted that I would not enjoy having the to make my daily 40 minute/each way commute in the Jeep. As much as I hate to say it, she was/is right. I actually prefer driving my much older Acura TSX to her loaded Infiniti QX56. Circumstances have changed and now my commute is only 20 minutes. Plus, I would keep my DD Acura.

So now I'm debating the Sahara v. Rubicon question. Logic dictates that I should get the Sahara. Better on road driving and the Sahara 4WD is sufficient. I'm not into rock crawling. Instead, I need something that will do well on the sand. We take our QX56 several weekends down to Hatteras in OBX. The Jeep would take over those duties!

But I just want the Rubicon. When we make major purchases, we typically get what we want and I think that a Rubi in new True Blue color would be suuuuweeeet! I don't plan to mod much beyond a 2 inch lift and 33's. The Rubicon actually makes more sense there since 33's are a bit cheaper on the stock wheels. I don't want a Sport b/c I'll be getting custom Katzkin leather seats and the Navi system.

I'm just worried that the Rubicon will be the wrong Jeep for the beach with the 4:1 transfer case. Is the Rubi going to be ok on the beach for us? I rarely, if ever, have to drop the QX into 4WD low. Instead we just cruise along in Auto (engages 4WD as necessary) or 4WD High. So I likely would not even need to drop the Rubicon into 4 Lo. Does that avoid the 4:1 transfer case issue?

Thanks for the input!

__________________
One day I finally join the club....
keg97 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 06-03-2012, 05:59 AM   #2
The Bad Guy

WF Supporting Member
 
daggo66's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: NJ exile living in Baltimore
Posts: 22,175
Quote:
Originally Posted by keg97 View Post
So I likely would not even need to drop the Rubicon into 4 Lo. Does that avoid the 4:1 transfer case issue?

Thanks for the input!
There is really no need for 4L on the beach. However, if you have an automatic, the trans will run cooler in 4L. This applies to your current vehicle as well. The 2012 comes with a trans cooler, so you should be ok.

Bottom line, whatever the QX can do, the Wrangler can do better.

__________________
Tom

"I've got two things in this world, my balls and my word and I don't break them for no one."
daggo66 is online now   Quote Quick Reply
Old 06-03-2012, 06:37 AM   #3
Jeeper
 
Tanksta's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Williamsburg, VA
Posts: 141
^^^This, plus:
From what you are saying, you likely will not benefit from the added cost of the locking differentials and sway bar disconnect that comes on the rubicon. Also, the 4:10 really is not necessary on the beach, as you already stated.

I would however, opt for the limited slip rear differential in the sahara!

But by all means... "get what makey ya happy".
__________________
Tank

2012 BFG JKU Sport S
Tanksta is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 06-03-2012, 07:22 AM   #4
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Bedford, NH
Posts: 72
I just took my Rubicon on the beach and it rocked! Took advice from the forum members and put it in 4L , aired down to 15psi turned ESP off and away went!

You won't regret getting the Rubicon!
Macsrul is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 06-03-2012, 07:29 AM   #5
Jeeper
 
SirGeorgeKillian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 1,282
Images: 2
Why will a Sahara handle better on the road than a rubi?
__________________
Check out my videos:
http://www.youtube.com/user/TrailRatedCustoms/videos
SirGeorgeKillian is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 06-03-2012, 07:52 AM   #6
Jeeper
 
1manWolfpack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Raleigh, NC
Posts: 261
Jeeps seem do great on the sand period, especially compared to the larger vehicles you see out there. Their weight helps in not sinking down.

I have a Sahara and have had no real trouble in the outer banks- only issue out there now is all the different ramp closings and having to turn around in really loose sand, but nothing 4hi won't get you out of on your own.

If you want a Jeep you'll be happy with either, like others have said it all depends on your preference and if you will make use of the options on the Rubi, or if you think they are worth the investment if not used
1manWolfpack is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 06-03-2012, 07:52 AM   #7
Jeeper
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Hampton Roads, VA
Posts: 63
Quote:
Originally Posted by SirGeorgeKillian View Post
Why will a Sahara handle better on the road than a rubi?
Two things, at least from what I've discerned in my research. Tires are not mud rated and the shocks are more road-friendly.

For what it's worth...the QX does great on the beach. I barely even air it down anymore and we've never had an issue. I just air it down to 25-28 PSI and off we go.
__________________
One day I finally join the club....
keg97 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 06-03-2012, 07:54 AM   #8
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 519
Quote:
Originally Posted by SirGeorgeKillian
Why will a Sahara handle better on the road than a rubi?
My guess is the rubi has stiffer springs which also raises center of gravity and the Sahara has taller wheels so thinner side walls making the tires more responsive.
smaxberry is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 06-03-2012, 07:58 AM   #9
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 327
Man up haha just playing. I drive my jku rubi 50 miles round trip to work everyday and have fun playing on the weekends. To me the rubicon is great on road and I wouldn't drive anything else. I prefer it to driving a car any day. I like sitting high and just love my rubi. You'll love either jeep u get.
__________________
2012 JKU Rubicon
Silver | 4.10 Gears | Hard Top | Connectivity | Remote Start

-Faulty driver side head replaced at 23,000 miles
-New AB head possibly faulty and being replaced at 29,000 miles
Rubicon_Jim is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 06-03-2012, 08:05 AM   #10
Jeeper
 
pkmcd99's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 2,117
Either model would make it a nice sand adventure. Lockers are nice, if ya dont have em when ya need them you will be doing extra digging. There an added traction aid, buy what you want. To discredit either model is silly. Jeeps are great offroad....all models, some setups can be more benificial then others in certain scenarios thats all : D
pkmcd99 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 06-03-2012, 09:03 AM   #11
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Bedford, NH
Posts: 72
Here is a link to a great article on why you should air down your tires at the beach. It has some great shots of AT tires at 32psi and MT at 10psi and the tread tracks,are amazing to see!

http://4x4abc.com/jeep101/soft-sand-deflate.html
Macsrul is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 06-03-2012, 09:15 AM   #12
Jeeper
 
JIMBOX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 9,914
The 4.10 gears and the 4/1 xfer case are a plus, however the 4/1 only operates in 4lo, but

If you're worried about having to go to SLOW, but you're limited to 18mph--shouldn't be going any faster in 4wd anyway--

If you have an auto--use "D", if it's a stick, use 3rd/4th-

Except for finances--there's no reason not to getta Rubi, you're ahead in every catagory-

JIMBO
__________________
"ya gotta have class"
JIMBOX is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 06-03-2012, 09:23 AM   #13
Jeeper
 
snochick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Arizona
Posts: 1,111
Images: 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by keg97 View Post
Two things, at least from what I've discerned in my research. Tires are not mud rated and the shocks are more road-friendly.

For what it's worth...the QX does great on the beach. I barely even air it down anymore and we've never had an issue. I just air it down to 25-28 PSI and off we go.

If those two things do actually make any difference at all in road handling, you won't notice them. A stock rubi handles the same if not better from my experience. But then I've modded both of ours now so it's hard for me to remember anymore.

But from the sounds of it, you don't need a Rubi for what you wanna do so might as well save yourself the money. I'm not a fan of the Sahara myself, the matching fender flares are just something I'd destroy on the trail, but with your type of wheeling, you'd be fine. I'd tear em up with tree branches and rocks.
__________________
Harley Quinn: 2011 JKU Bright Silver Rubicon (His)
Poison Ivy: 2012 JKU Gecko Pearl Sport (Mine)

Jeeps of Old: '89 White YJ (1rst Jeep), '01 TJ Yellow Sport, Mudbird: 2001 TJ Silver Sport (Miss this old girl, may she rest in peace)
snochick is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 06-03-2012, 09:24 AM   #14
Jeeper
 
dwindeck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Colorado
Posts: 551
Rubicon with the auto has 3.73 gears. Have you ever looked at an area while driving the QX and thought "I better not go there" If your wanting a Jeep, don't wish later...get the Rubicon now.
dwindeck is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 06-03-2012, 09:42 AM   #15
Jeeper
 
SirGeorgeKillian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 1,282
Images: 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by keg97
Two things, at least from what I've discerned in my research. Tires are not mud rated and the shocks are more road-friendly.

For what it's worth...the QX does great on the beach. I barely even air it down anymore and we've never had an issue. I just air it down to 25-28 PSI and off we go.
Didn't you say you were going to lift and change tires?


Never over rate lockers. Ever.
__________________
Check out my videos:
http://www.youtube.com/user/TrailRatedCustoms/videos
SirGeorgeKillian is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 06-03-2012, 09:45 AM   #16
Jeeper
 
SirGeorgeKillian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 1,282
Images: 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by JIMBOX
The 4.10 gears and the 4/1 xfer case are a plus, however the 4/1 only operates in 4lo, but

If you're worried about having to go to SLOW, but you're limited to 18mph--shouldn't be going any faster in 4wd anyway--

If you have an auto--use "D", if it's a stick, use 3rd/4th-

Except for finances--there's no reason not to getta Rubi, you're ahead in every catagory-

JIMBO
Jimbo, I agree with everything you just said except I will add one little bit. If you plan on SERIOUS mods, other than the 4:1 xfer case, a rubi is a waste. My sport blows a stock rubi out of the water in every way but the xfer case. I have never needed more crawl though with my current gearing. Not saying it is the most cost effective way though....
__________________
Check out my videos:
http://www.youtube.com/user/TrailRatedCustoms/videos
SirGeorgeKillian is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 06-03-2012, 11:13 AM   #17
Jeeper
 
WatchThis!'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: East Texas
Posts: 3,970
Images: 3
Quote:
Originally Posted by SirGeorgeKillian

Jimbo, I agree with everything you just said except I will add one little bit. If you plan on SERIOUS mods, other than the 4:1 xfer case, a rubi is a waste. My sport blows a stock rubi out of the water in every way but the xfer case. I have never needed more crawl though with my current gearing. Not saying it is the most cost effective way though....
This is one of those things thats all about perspective. When I get around to doing a LS swap , dana 60 front and 14bolt shaved in the back. (maby an atlas havent made up my mind yet) I will have all the runing gear motor and probly tranny and Tcase to put in my 91. IMO with the fully built up d44's it will make one hell of a beater on 35's or 37's. And I will end up with a way stouter beater then If I put sport axle and tcase in it.
So I am thinking Im coming out way cheaper in the long run by buying a rubi even though everything will be changed out in 3 or 4 years.
__________________
I'm here to participate. I didnt come all this way just to watch.

My jeep's thread http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/che...st-111461.html
WatchThis! is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 06-03-2012, 11:52 AM   #18
Jeeper
 
bearman95's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
Posts: 296
Images: 3
I bought the Rubicon MW3 because it had everything on it that i needed, upgraded bumpers, rock rails ect. I am not into suspenion lifts and great big tires anymore. I have moded three different vehicles like that including one jeep and did not like the ride and drive on any of them. Get the Rubicon and the only other thing you may need or want down the line is a winch.
bearman95 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 06-03-2012, 12:23 PM   #19
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 519
Quote:
Originally Posted by SirGeorgeKillian

Jimbo, I agree with everything you just said except I will add one little bit. If you plan on SERIOUS mods, other than the 4:1 xfer case, a rubi is a waste. My sport blows a stock rubi out of the water in every way but the xfer case. I have never needed more crawl though with my current gearing. Not saying it is the most cost effective way though....
Your sport ain't exactly like my sport. And it ain't just the size of lift that separates us either. I did get some quick discos for my sway we can test them when I get back in town. And what brings you to this side of the forum?
smaxberry is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 06-03-2012, 01:35 PM   #20
Jeeper
 
SirGeorgeKillian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 1,282
Images: 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by smaxberry

Your sport ain't exactly like my sport. And it ain't just the size of lift that separates us either. I did get some quick discos for my sway we can test them when I get back in town. And what brings you to this side of the forum?
Some things are universal when it comes to Jeeps.... I caught some flack when I traded a rubi for a sport. A rubi is one of the most capable vehicles to ever be offered stock, but when you start moding, the word stock dissapeares quickly...
__________________
Check out my videos:
http://www.youtube.com/user/TrailRatedCustoms/videos
SirGeorgeKillian is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 06-03-2012, 01:49 PM   #21
Jeeper
 
jsmithtx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Texas
Posts: 1,198
Images: 4
We went with the Rubicon. Mainly for the looks and resale. Didn't think I needed lockers or swaybar disconnects. Boy was I wrong. When you need them, you will love it. Ours is getting used more and more. Mine rides great on the highway. If the money is not a problem, I would go with the Rubicon.
jsmithtx is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 06-03-2012, 01:52 PM   #22
Jeeper
 
jeepkingtn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Spring City
Posts: 268
Quote:
Originally Posted by jsmithtx
we went with the rubicon. Mainly for the looks and resale. Didn't think i needed lockers or swaybar disconnects. Boy was i wrong. When you need them, you will love it. Ours is getting used more and more. Mine rides great on the highway. If the money is not a problem, i would go with the rubicon.
x2
__________________
2012 FLAME RED JK UNLIMITED RUBICON
4.10 Rear Axle Ratio/5 Speed Auto/Connectivity Group/Heated Front Seats/Remote Start System/ACE Rock Sliders/Front Stubby Bumper

Job 19:26
jeepkingtn is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 06-03-2012, 02:45 PM   #23
Jeeper
 
JIMBOX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 9,914
Heh Heh, I've seriously modified my RUBI AND yOU'RE A DREAMER IF YOU SAY A RUBY IS A WASTE OF MONEY


Quote:
Originally Posted by SirGeorgeKillian View Post
Jimbo, I agree with everything you just said except I will add one little bit. If you plan on SERIOUS mods, other than the 4:1 xfer case, a rubi is a waste. My sport blows a stock rubi out of the water in every way but the xfer case. I have never needed more crawl though with my current gearing. Not saying it is the most cost effective way though....
Only you know what you mean by "blow a stock Rubi out of the water"-it's a clear case of RE !

This stupid BS has been going on since 2003-if you're happy with your SPORT then --good for you--

I would never buy anything but a Ruby--too many positive aspects-



I would never buy anything but a 4dr also-

So enjoy your "outta the water blowing" modified SPORT-

I'll just meander wherever I wanna go-

JIMBO
__________________
"ya gotta have class"
JIMBOX is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 06-03-2012, 02:55 PM   #24
MallCrawler

WF Supporting Member
::WF Moderator::
 
kjeeper10's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 34,929
Quote:
Originally Posted by JIMBOX
Heh Heh, I've seriously modified my RUBI AND yOU'RE A DREAMER IF YOU SAY A RUBY IS A WASTE OF MONEY

Only you know what you mean by "blow a stock Rubi out of the water"-it's a clear case of RE !

This stupid BS has been going on since 2003-if you're happy with your SPORT then --good for you--

I would never buy anything but a Ruby--too many positive aspects-

I would never buy anything but a 4dr also-

So enjoy your "outta the water blowing" modified SPORT-

I'll just meander wherever I wanna go-

JIMBO
X2

Well except for the 4 door part,

That would be "- 2 "
__________________
2007 Rubicon/Rock Krawler triple rate 2.5" coils/RK rear TB w/ a teraflex raised bracket/Rancho 9000 31/32XL shocks/Synergy flipped draglink,ball joints,tie rod /Hankook MT 315-75-16 on Level 8 ZX's/Rancho geo brackets/Ruff stuff uppers/Fox ATS stabilizer/Adams front DS/Artec front armor w/ Currie upper bushings/Rancho cat back exhaust.

Lifting your JK? Read this!!



Click HERE to become a WranglerForum Supporting Member!
kjeeper10 is online now   Quote Quick Reply
Old 06-03-2012, 03:12 PM   #25
Jeeper
 
JIMBOX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 9,914
Heh Heh, Kj, if I'da had a 2dr--I wouldn't have been able to spend last week in the Sierras--with all the camping crap I've got--


Quote:
Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
X2

Well except for the 4 door part,

That would be "- 2 "
There ain't no reason forit, It's just the way we doit-

JIMBO
__________________
"ya gotta have class"
JIMBOX is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 06-03-2012, 03:38 PM   #26
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 16
deflators

hey guy`s goin on the beach is soooo easy when you use [ tire deflators ] to air down worth the $ 40.00
wrangler vet is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 06-03-2012, 06:12 PM   #27
Jeeper
 
SirGeorgeKillian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 1,282
Images: 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by JIMBOX
Heh Heh, I've seriously modified my RUBI AND yOU'RE A DREAMER IF YOU SAY A RUBY IS A WASTE OF MONEY

Only you know what you mean by "blow a stock Rubi out of the water"-it's a clear case of RE !

This stupid BS has been going on since 2003-if you're happy with your SPORT then --good for you--

I would never buy anything but a Ruby--too many positive aspects-

I would never buy anything but a 4dr also-

So enjoy your "outta the water blowing" modified SPORT-

I'll just meander wherever I wanna go-

JIMBO
Maybe you mistook the intention of my post.

For 99% of the guys out there, a rubi is a great place to start. It will do more out of the box than most people will ever need. I am not arguing that with you. I loved my rubi, but I traded it for my sport. So yes, I do know the difference between the two. Any regrets? Nope.

But there is a point where all of the rubi's greatness is lost when you replace everything that made it great to begin with isn't there? With the exception of the 4:1 xfer case, starting my Jeeps life as a rubi would have been a waste. Nothing under the frame is stock. Moding Jeeps can be addictive, so if you think you may end up at the point where you got more in your vehicle than its worth...

Rubi envy? Nah. It's Rubicon meets King Kong!
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	ForumRunner_20120603_190650.jpg
Views:	51
Size:	107.5 KB
ID:	128653  
__________________
Check out my videos:
http://www.youtube.com/user/TrailRatedCustoms/videos
SirGeorgeKillian is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 06-03-2012, 06:39 PM   #28
Jeeper
 
JIMBOX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 9,914
Sorry, now I can't agree with you

Quote:
Originally Posted by SirGeorgeKillian View Post
Maybe you mistook the intention of my post.

For 99% of the guys out there, a rubi is a great place to start. It will do more out of the box than most people will ever need. I am not arguing that with you. I loved my rubi, but I traded it for my sport. So yes, I do know the difference between the two. Any regrets? Nope.

But there is a point where all of the rubi's greatness is lost when you replace everything that made it great to begin with isn't there? With the exception of the 4:1 xfer case, starting my Jeeps life as a rubi would have been a waste. Nothing under the frame is stock. Moding Jeeps can be addictive, so if you think you may end up at the point where you got more in your vehicle than its worth...

Rubi envy? Nah. It's Rubicon meets King Kong!
I've modified mine 51 times and it still uses, "successfully", the E-swaybar disco/front/rear lockers/4/1 xfer case constantly while towing and It'll always have the VIN designation for RUBICON-

The only parts of the suspension discarded are -stock tires/wheels/fenders/ring/pinion/shocks-

I've never complained about it not being a SPORT !

JIMBO
__________________
"ya gotta have class"
JIMBOX is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 06-03-2012, 08:41 PM   #29
Jeeper
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Hampton Roads, VA
Posts: 63
So......Rubicon it will be! Money is not the issue, especially when you're only talking another 2500 or so. What's the difference btwn 37000 and 39500 for all intents and purposes?!!!

I had forgotten about the resale value part. Definitely another factor that helps me rationalize the decision. Plus, I'm not a fan of the painted fenders on the Sahara either.
__________________
One day I finally join the club....
keg97 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 06-03-2012, 08:46 PM   #30
Jeeper
 
JIMBOX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 9,914
--BINGO-


Quote:
Originally Posted by keg97 View Post
So......Rubicon it will be! Money is not the issue, especially when you're only talking another 2500 or so. What's the difference btwn 37000 and 39500 for all intents and purposes?!!!

I had forgotten about the resale value part. Definitely another factor that helps me rationalize the decision. Plus, I'm not a fan of the painted fenders on the Sahara either.
Good move and the resale value is based on the "Higher percentage of purchase price", or more money from your investment !

Lets stick together !

JIMBO

__________________
"ya gotta have class"
JIMBOX is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Jeep Wrangler Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
If you do not want to register, fill this field only and the name will be used as user name for your post.
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off




» Network Links
»Jeep Parts
» Featured Product

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:47 AM.



Jeep®, Wrangler, Liberty, Wagoneer, Cherokee, and Grand Cherokee are copyrighted and trademarked to Chrysler Motors LLC.
Wranglerforum.com is not in any way associated with the Chrysler Motors LLC