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Old 09-11-2013, 01:48 PM   #1
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So, I've pretty much settled on the Rubicon except for the fact that I don't want mud tires mainly because they don't perform well in hazardous ROAD conditions (based on what I've read). Is there any way around the mud tires through the dealership?

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If I'm not mistaken most tire shops will buy used tires, as long as there is still plenty of tread life, which I assume there would be. There is also the possibility of a swap off of another Wrangler on the lot....Are you not planning on wheeling the Rubi?

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Lots of folks sell stock Rubi takeoffs on craigslist, although in your case it sounds like you'd need them dismounted. Or you may be able to swing something with the dealer, they will usually work with you on stuff like that to make the sale.
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I'll off road it from time to time, but it's gonna be a DD and I'm more concerned with rain, snow, and ice than rocks.
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I would discuss that with the dealer, since they're the Rubicon tires they may be willing to swap them onto a sport or something and give you some credit towards something different
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FWIW. Firestone charged me $10/wheel to dismount tires.
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Old 09-11-2013, 02:59 PM   #7
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Hell, I would trade you.

I have the Stock Sport S 17" tires 450 miles on them
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So, I've pretty much settled on the Rubicon except for the fact that I don't want mud tires mainly because they don't perform well in hazardous ROAD conditions (based on what I've read). Is there any way around the mud tires through the dealership?

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I can vouch for that I learned the hard way mud tires suck on a rain slick road.
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I'd say Craigslist is your friend.
You are probably better off buying new wheels and tires (mounted) from Discount Tires or the Tire Rack, and then selling your stockers on CG to help recoup some of the money spent on new wheels.

Or...just buy some Sport S or Sahara take-offs on CG and save your Rubi wheels for off-roading.
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Why are you buying a Rubicon again?? Seems to me a Sport or Sahara would fit you for a lot less money. It doesn't sound like you will utilize the off road capabilities of a Rubicon, so why pay for it?
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The offroad tires aren't terrible in foul weather either. Common sense goes a long way in winter driving, I've run mud tires for years with no siping or studding and have never had problems. The BFG's are a pretty good tire, not too loud and decent fuel economy.


Others might be right though, if you're not really going to drive it off road enough for mud tires a Sahara might be the cheaper way out....that being said if you want a Rubicon go for it....they have great road manners as well as offroad capability.
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The offroad tires aren't terrible in foul weather either. Common sense goes a long way in winter driving, I've run mud tires for years with no siping or studding and have never had problems. The BFG's are a pretty good tire, not too loud and decent fuel economy.


Others might be right though, if you're not really going to drive it off road enough for mud tires a Sahara might be the cheaper way out....that being said if you want a Rubicon go for it....they have great road manners as well as offroad capability.
Jeez I think the KM's are brutal in packed snow or ice, I switched to AT KO's for my winter tires. Massive improvement on packed snow, marginal on ice.

I had my KM's siped and that helps, but they also are more susceptible to punctures that way.
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I'd say Craigslist is your friend.
You are probably better off buying new wheels and tires (mounted) from Discount Tires or the Tire Rack, and then selling your stockers on CG to help recoup some of the money spent on new wheels.

Or...just buy some Sport S or Sahara take-offs on CG and save your Rubi wheels for off-roading.
I like this idea if you don't mind the little space the tires take up in your garage. I see tire sets on CL for Sport S and Sahara from $400 - $1200 every week. ( I spend (waste) too much time looking at Jeep parts.
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Why are you buying a Rubicon again?? Seems to me a Sport or Sahara would fit you for a lot less money. It doesn't sound like you will utilize the off road capabilities of a Rubicon, so why pay for it?
I am still a bit on the fence... If I never took the wrangler off road, is it a complete waste of money? Which car is better for road conditions? Would lockers be completely useless in blizzard conditions? I figured they'd be great, so even if I never go off road (I will go off road), I'll have a basically unstoppable all weather vehicle. Plus, my personality is such that when I get involved with a new hobby, I go full tilt... If I really get into off roading, I'd rather have everything I need. I'm not gonna build anything... I guess my question is, which version is better for road conditions?
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I am still a bit on the fence... If I never took the wrangler off road, is it a complete waste of money? Which car is better for road conditions? Would lockers be completely useless in blizzard conditions? I figured they'd be great, so even if I never go off road (I will go off road), I'll have a basically unstoppable all weather vehicle. Plus, my personality is such that when I get involved with a new hobby, I go full tilt... If I really get into off roading, I'd rather have everything I need. I'm not gonna build anything... I guess my question is, which version is better for road conditions?
If you never took the Wrangler off-road, the premium for the Rubi would be a waste of money. I don't go off-road very much, but I enjoy the "top down" part of the Wrangler as much as possible....and it is also my "all weather, all conditions" vehicle.

The point in which lockers become usefull in a blizzard is the point in which you are foolish for being outside...you would have to be trying to drive through a foot of unplowed snow on the road. You would also have to mod your Jeep to be able to run your lockers in 4H...as they are set up to only run in 4L. If it is that much snow on the road, you will probably "turtle" yourself anyway....and wherever you were going would be closed (unless you are a doctor, police, firefighter, powerline worker, ect...). Plus, ediscos and a 4:1 transfer case would be uselsss in that situation.

Do you plan on lifting this Jeep?
Do you plan on going with larger wheels?
When you say off-road, are you talking about rocks....or just trails?
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Drove my 12 JKUR on stock mud terrains through two brutal upstate winters without any issue. Deep snow, packed and ice, thought the tires did really good compared to all the complaints out there. Common sense and good driving skills go a long way. I have ~30000 miles on them now and will likely run them the first half of this winter but treads getting low so I will be replacing them soon however they were a great tire compared to the bad reviews they get. I think the people that give them bad snow reviews don't get much snow during the year and therefore have limited experience. Just my opinion.
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If you never took the Wrangler off-road, the premium for the Rubi would be a waste of money. I don't go off-road very much, but I enjoy the "top down" part of the Wrangler as much as possible....and it is also my "all weather, all conditions" vehicle.

The point in which lockers become usefull in a blizzard is the point in which you are foolish for being outside...you would have to be trying to drive through a foot of unplowed snow on the road. You would also have to mod your Jeep to be able to run your lockers in 4H...as they are set up to only run in 4L. If it is that much snow on the road, you will probably "turtle" yourself anyway....and wherever you were going would be closed (unless you are a doctor, police, firefighter, powerline worker, ect...). Plus, ediscos and a 4:1 transfer case would be uselsss in that situation.

Do you plan on lifting this Jeep?
Do you plan on going with larger wheels?
When you say off-road, are you talking about rocks....or just trails?
No lift. I eventually want duratracs. I'm kind of close to Rausch Creek park in Pa. I'd probably play on rocks twice a year there just to do something different.
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Skimmed the replies but I didn't see anybody recommend:

SIPING the tires

Discount tire does them for $10 each last time I checked

But common sense driving trumps tires any day imho
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Drove my 12 JKUR on stock mud terrains through two brutal upstate winters without any issue. Deep snow, packed and ice, thought the tires did really good compared to all the complaints out there. Common sense and good driving skills go a long way. I have ~30000 miles on them now and will likely run them the first half of this winter but treads getting low so I will be replacing them soon however they were a great tire compared to the bad reviews they get. I think the people that give them bad snow reviews don't get much snow during the year and therefore have limited experience. Just my opinion.
Ya know my experience is 180 degrees from yours. I live in Spokane, winters are plenty tough, and my KM's just don't cut it. Slide like crazy on packed snow. I used to be surprised when I read posts like yours, but by now I have heard too many people say they like the KM's in the winter. I guess everyone's expectations and perceptions are different, that's what makes the world go round.

I do think folks should be careful with mud tires in the winter. At least to the uninitiated, they are dangerous IMO. Of course, having a brain and driving sensibly are far more important than the particular tire on your vehicle, but I would think someone used to driving on all-terrains or all-seasons might be in for a bit of a shock the first time they tried unsiped MT's on packed snow or ice. I know I was scared!!!
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The newer KMs ain't that bad, but I replaced mine with Duratracs for now.

A good dealer will say something like, " It's no problem. We'll get you another tire on there. Pick out the one you want in the same size, and if there's a cost involved, we'll work with you on it."

A crappy dealer, or one who's under pressure for the bottom like with either

a) balk immediately
b) try to work you into a lift and big ass tires with other doo dads
c) try to give you very little for the swap and roll up 1K worth of different rubber in your financing

That's about how it goes.

Tires for 17" rims ain't cheap. I went down to 15" rims for now for a few reasons, but will go back up, probably after I see how winters pan out in my new area and see if I'm ok with a moderately aggressive mud tire or will stick with an AT.

Edit: Tires and tire compounds are nearly dead even with driver headspace and timing on cold pavement, icy pavement and in a few situations wet pavement. That's what my experience tells me and that's what the experts say. Take some older BFGs MTs with no siping and big lugs (or any other brand that is super aggressive mud design) out on the cold, snowy, icy roads and I don't care if you're the Stig, they're going to suck ass. The new KMs would even stand out in comparison.
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Get a set of Duratracs, great winter/wet tire. You can sell your MTs on CL or to another list member. You also might consider keeping them as a three season set and swapping the duratracs on in the winter. I have a bunch of JKs and swap wheels/tires for the winter. I like having the best tire matched for the season.
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Sounds like the Sport or Sahara with Duratrac or Blizzacs are more for you. Any snow storm that requires lockers will also require a much more aggressive tire then a standard snow tire.
Lockers can also be death on ice and hard pack if you don't know when and when not to drive with them.
As already stated, the Rubicon is a big premium to pay for something you won't use.
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Skimmed the replies but I didn't see anybody recommend:

SIPING the tires

Discount tire does them for $10 each last time I checked

But common sense driving trumps tires any day imho
Generally MTs are made of a different compound (harder) which makes them durable. However, when siped, the blocks become weaker and can break apart, not to mention severely impact the life of the tire. Personally, I'd sell the rubi wheels/tires for $1000 and get the combo from discount tire for $1400.
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Local dealer has a bunch of take offs in the lobby for sale and I'm guessing they're from customers that wanted to swap out before they even drove off the lot. They were asking $900 for wheel/tire combos off rubicons.
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I would sell your Rubicon wheels and buy the "combo" of 33x12.5x15 wheels and Goodyear Duratracs for $1500 give or take. Great all around tire and you'll improve your look for only the difference of what you sell your stock wheels for.

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Drove my 12 JKUR on stock mud terrains through two brutal upstate winters without any issue. Deep snow, packed and ice, thought the tires did really good compared to all the complaints out there. Common sense and good driving skills go a long way. I have ~30000 miles on them now and will likely run them the first half of this winter but treads getting low so I will be replacing them soon however they were a great tire compared to the bad reviews they get. I think the people that give them bad snow reviews don't get much snow during the year and therefore have limited experience. Just my opinion.
I also have went through plenty of nasty storms and the other 5 million Rubicons here do alright. Point being, I agree they are not good for wet/snow/ice but they aren't as bad as they are made out.
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selling them and grabbing a new set from a sahara or sport will take care of at least your first payment.

honestly you could probably find a million people wanting to trade 1 for 1.

I have a buddy that just did the same thing. his 14 rubi has 07 wheels and tires. different reasons though, he is getting 40's soon and wanted to sell them before they lost any value.
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Either way, I'll be MUCH better off than I was with my Honda S2000 LOLOLOLOLOL!!!! I think I'll go with the Rubi, sell the tires, and get Duratracs. BOOM!!! You guys rock. Also: why isn't there a Rubi red?!?!?!?! HA
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A Rubicon will actually be worse in the snow than a Sahara with the anti spin rear axle, which will help you in snow. The Rubicon is an open rear diff unless it's locked in 4 Low.
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No lift. I eventually want duratracs. I'm kind of close to Rausch Creek park in Pa. I'd probably play on rocks twice a year there just to do something different.
Why not see if the dealer will swap you for Duratracs if that's what you want?
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A Rubicon will actually be worse in the snow than a Sahara with the anti spin rear axle, which will help you in snow. The Rubicon is an open rear diff unless it's locked in 4 Low.
Except for the BLD's, which work pretty darn good in the snow...

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