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Old 05-20-2011, 07:53 PM   #1
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Rubicon tires - any good?

Yea, lame question, I know. Of course they're "good". Here's my deal.

New-to-me 2008 JKU-x with brand new tires / wheels from 2011 Rubicon. I rarely go off road but am driving from VT to CO for vacation this summer. While in CO, I'll be doing some mountain Jeepin in Ouray.

Should I keep driving the BFGoodrich mud tires or should I sell 'em in favor of a quieter set of more fuel efficient all terrain tires?

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Before I bought the Rubicon Unlimited with the stock MTs I had a Sahara Unlimited with the ATs. I didn't notice that much of an increase in noise getting into the Rubicon. The tread design on the stock Rubicon MTs is not that aggressive and the tread pattern overlaps quite a bit to keep the noise down. The stock MTs are a good compromise to better MTs that generate a lot of noise. If you do a lot of mudding, you might then want to move to a more aggressive tread.

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Just one note I'v got 14k on my BF's and the bastards are allready louder then the last set I had on my truck a few years ago. But they havent started to cup or wear funny at all. The set I ran on my truck only got 22k It looks like these are going to go way over that becouse I'm allready driving in 90 to 100 degree temps and they are holding up fine.

Oh BTW the louder they get the better I like them.
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there's a lot of trade offs only personal choices can really make....

Tires with larger chunkier lugs tend to be better in mud, goo and some kinds of sand, maybe other places;

treads with more closed patterns and more rubber than open space in the center-circumference area, tend to be quieter and get better tire mileage.

Service in critical wet-rainy-some ice but not much snow pavement at "normal winter speeds" may be wonderful, while high speed hot summer runs down the interstate may be totally different.

Such mods as lifts and front end alignment can make a ton of difference. I've seen a lot of change in ride/noise in the same make of tire simply changing from the stock to a "V" rating.
Those 130mph rated cruiser tires weigh nearly twice as much and have far stiffer sidewalls.
Handling improves but ride deteriorates. Which do we choose?

Type of rubber compound can affect traction a lot; speed and type of surface you mostly travel; weight of vehicle and air pressure; a host of other things I'm leaving out.

I recently read an outstanding review of some ProCamps which sounded good. Starting to look at them for my Jeep, I suddenly realized I've had a set on my Ram the past 5 years.

While I did agree with some of the conclusions of the reviews, I literally did not recognize much between what I've experienced first hand and what they were reporting. One thing they didn't mention was the little rocks that continually are picked up and eventually thrown mostly at highway speed, out of the tread. Those that aren't dig deeper & deeper until the air inside the tire merges with the air outside the tire. Sure, in full-tread depth mode there's not much real rock cutting to worry about, but now with 55K on them it's becoming a concern. And their mud traction is deteriorating.

I don't know if there is an objective way to accurately report such questions as the OP asked here.
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I love my KM's but realistically they are pretty bad on packed snow and ice. Not as bad in the rain now that they are siped, I think the compound just gets really hard in the cold.

Anyway - summer in CO, I'd say keep them. If you're going offroad you never know when a heavy rain will come in or you just can't resist going up someplace that would be inappropriate for an AT.

All depends on how much you drive each year, too. MT's get lower MPG but if you're putting less than 10k or so per year on the Jeep it's probably not worth adjusting tire choice over.
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they're junk and you should just give them to me for proper disposal.
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My 2010 rubi has only 7500 miles on them and i like them they look good had no problems this winter .they are getting louder and have to agree with the post above i LIKE it ..keep them
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BFG MT's are some of the best tires available...bottom line. I don't have a single complaint. Who cares about road noise?...its a 4wd vehicle, As long as they have good traction and wear well.
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re: "Who cares about road noise?.." That was the same question I had before I bought my first shaft drive road bike. When the sudden loss of an oppressively loud chain drive was gone, and the noise from other bikers on the other side of the interstate were noisier than my shaft drive, it was added pleasure.

re: "Who cares about road noise?.." me, for one.
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You were able to hear the chain drive on bikes on the other side of the interstate??




Back to the original poster...Swapping the MT's for the AT's might have a slight benefit to your road trip but you also mentioned you were gonna do some "mountain jeeping"...IDK if that has anything to do with offroading but if it does you may wanna stick with your MT's.
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the stock BFG KMs in 255/75/17 size are also only 46 pounds per tire. I have a set of nitto trail grapplers MT in the exact same size and they are 58 pound per tire. The BFGs are by far the lightest and best (most well made) MT tire in that size available for Jeeps. You can't go wrong with them. You mileage won't be bad either with them. Don't believe the hype. Yes, street tires would give you 1-3 more mpg possibly but you have a jeep not something else. You most likely get around 17mpg or more in the city with the BFGs. I'm getting that with the much heavier grappler MTs and I've also got a lift so I'm sure you'll get better than that.

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"You were able to hear the chain drive on bikes on the other side of the interstate??" Yes....if their exhaust wasn't too loud and absent surrounding vehicles. And this was in the long open quiet spaces outside the city traffic.... I 80, I 84 and I 5.
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OP here - yea, my CO jeep trip will include off-roading the jeep trails around Ouray (Imogene, Engineer Pass, etc.)

I do care about noise and fuel consumption. Driving 8 days to / from CO in a noisy jeep getting 18 mpg will not be fun. If different tires would save me 10% on fuel cost then I might consider a swap.

For now, I'm going to bump up the air pressure in the tires and see if I can squeeze a bit more mpg out of the rig. Noise level at this point is just fine so I'm pretty sure I'll just keep 'em and run 'em.

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OP here - yea, my CO jeep trip will include off-roading the jeep trails around Ouray (Imogene, Engineer Pass, etc.)

I do care about noise and fuel consumption. Driving 8 days to / from CO in a noisy jeep getting 18 mpg will not be fun. If different tires would save me 10% on fuel cost then I might consider a swap.

For now, I'm going to bump up the air pressure in the tires and see if I can squeeze a bit more mpg out of the rig. Noise level at this point is just fine so I'm pretty sure I'll just keep 'em and run 'em.

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My 2009 Rubi has them. 19,000 miles and PLENTY of tread left. They are fantastic off road.

I run almost 100% of the time with my hard top. Funny thing you might be interested to learn. I installed the HotHeads Head Liners to deal with summer heat. That worked well for the heat, but I no longer hear the tires! The radio even sounds better with the lack of echo effect off of the hard plastic roof. YMMV

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Yea, lame question, I know. Of course they're "good". Here's my deal.

New-to-me 2008 JKU-x with brand new tires / wheels from 2011 Rubicon. I rarely go off road but am driving from VT to CO for vacation this summer. While in CO, I'll be doing some mountain Jeepin in Ouray.

Should I keep driving the BFGoodrich mud tires or should I sell 'em in favor of a quieter set of more fuel efficient all terrain tires?

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I think they are great and ride better than my wife's 2010 Lexus RX350 for real.
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My 2009 Rubi has them. 19,000 miles and PLENTY of tread left. They are fantastic off road.

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That's good because they suck on road and were wearing rapidly in just around the town slow driving.............They were just ok in deep snow all other conditions on road NG! Went with michelin a/t's and it's like a new vehicle much more confident in rain and snow. I'm saving the MT's and original rims for off road and when I sell her.
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I have the BFG Mud Terrain tires on my Rubicon, Only about 5,000 miles so far. I have not rotated the tires yet. I like these tires very much so far. I have two questions for you folks:
1) How often do you rotate the tires?
2) Do any of you do the "5Tire Rotation"?
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My 2010 rubi has only 7500 miles on them and i like them they look good had no problems this winter .they are getting louder and have to agree with the post above i LIKE it ..keep them
I have them on my 2011 Rubi. I like them (BFG MT's), I only have about 5,000 miles on my new jeep. I changed the oil at 4,000 miles and added Mobil One synthetic oil. This made a marked improvement in MPG. I am getting about 27 - 18 average city/hi-way combo MPG, but if I go 55 MPH on the freeway, I can see as food as 27 MPG. Not too shabby for a Rubi?

I have two questions for you guys regarding these tires:

1) How often do you rotate the tires. Was thinking every other oil change - every 8,ooo miles?

2) What do you think about a "5-Tire Rotation" ?
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I have the BFG Mud Terrain tires on my Rubicon, Only about 5,000 miles so far. I have not rotated the tires yet. I like these tires very much so far. I have two questions for you folks:
1) How often do you rotate the tires?
2) Do any of you do the "5Tire Rotation"?
My wife has an 08 JKUR that has always been serviced by the dealer. The tires were quiet when new and are noisy now with 24K on them. I don't know if or how often they have been rotated, the spare has never been. The wear is not very good. At the last service I wanted them to do a 5 tire rotation and they didn't recommend it since it had not been done from the start.
I have a new 12 JKR with "free" life time oil changes every 4K from the dealer. I am going to have them rotate all 5 every time it goes in for service. The 08 is going to get AT's when it is time to purchase new tires.
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My wife has an 08 JKUR that has always been serviced by the dealer. The tires were quiet when new and are noisy now with 24K on them. I don't know if or how often they have been rotated, the spare has never been. The wear is not very good. At the last service I wanted them to do a 5 tire rotation and they didn't recommend it since it had not been done from the start.
I have a new 12 JKR with "free" life time oil changes every 4K from the dealer. I am going to have them rotate all 5 every time it goes in for service. The 08 is going to get AT's when it is time to purchase new tires.
What you said about the noise has also been my experience. The tire hardens and becomes noisy. I have 50K miles on them and they will be changed out soon. Last winter I got a separate set of winter studded tires on steel pulloff wheels. The original tires didn't seem to be holding the road as well as when they were new in the winter so the winter tires have solved this issue. If I were further south (Virginia) I would have just kept driving on the stockers in the winter.
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I have them on my 2011 Rubi. I like them (BFG MT's), I only have about 5,000 miles on my new jeep. I changed the oil at 4,000 miles and added Mobil One synthetic oil. This made a marked improvement in MPG. I am getting about 27 - 18 average city/hi-way combo MPG, but if I go 55 MPH on the freeway, I can see as food as 27 MPG. Not too shabby for a Rubi?

I have two questions for you guys regarding these tires:

1) How often do you rotate the tires. Was thinking every other oil change - every 8,ooo miles?

2) What do you think about a "5-Tire Rotation" ?
I love the 5 tire rotation. I do it myself, with floor jack you only need to jack up one wheel at a time, less work than 4 tire rotation and you are checking condition of your spare tire at same time. With my JKU Rubicon having a matching spare tire and wheel there is no reason not to rotate all five tires.
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I love the 5 tire rotation. I do it myself, with floor jack you only need to jack up one wheel at a time, less work than 4 tire rotation and you are checking condition of your spare tire at same time. With my JKU Rubicon having a matching spare tire and wheel there is no reason not to rotate all five tires.
^This. What's not to like about a 20% increase in tread life by doing a 5 tire rotation. It makes no sense to save your spare. If you eventually have to use it, it will have more tread than the rest of the tires and if you don't, you will have a dangerous tire past it's life expectancy.Tires Have A 6 Year Shelf Life
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Five tire rotation here. I rotate them about every 5k miles.
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the stock BFG KMs in 255/75/17 size are also only 46 pounds per tire. I have a set of nitto trail grapplers MT in the exact same size and they are 58 pound per tire. The BFGs are by far the lightest and best (most well made) MT tire in that size available for Jeeps. You can't go wrong with them. You mileage won't be bad either with them. Don't believe the hype. Yes, street tires would give you 1-3 more mpg possibly but you have a jeep not something else. You most likely get around 17mpg or more in the city with the BFGs. I'm getting that with the much heavier grappler MTs and I've also got a lift so I'm sure you'll get better than that.

Now get out there and get some and put some pics up after ward!
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That's good because they suck on road and were wearing rapidly in just around the town slow driving.............They were just ok in deep snow all other conditions on road NG! Went with michelin a/t's and it's like a new vehicle much more confident in rain and snow. I'm saving the MT's and original rims for off road and when I sell her.

This has NOT been my experience, I've got 57k on my KM's and I'm gonna get another winter and spring out of them before new tires are needed.

I rotate every 5k, and even drop the pressure in the winter to 29lbs or less, these KM's have been a great tire for all around use....


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Five tire rotation here. I rotate them about every 5k miles.
I've gotten 57k so far on the original tires doing a 5 tire rotation every 5k....
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I also do the 5 tire rotation as it just makes sense to me. I'm really impressed with my Rubicon tires so far, but the real test will come when the Minnesota snow starts to fly. I might have to play with the air pressure a little but its to be expected with our temps ranging from -40 to +30 in the winter. I will say the tires have been much more predictable then when I ran BFG 35" AT's about 15 years ago. Tire technology has come a long way!
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^This. What's not to like about a 20% increase in tread life by doing a 5 tire rotation. It makes no sense to save your spare. If you eventually have to use it, it will have more tread than the rest of the tires and if you don't, you will have a dangerous tire past it's life expectancy.Tires Have A 6 Year Shelf Life
I just had new tires put on my 88 Corvette with 24K miles on it this week. They were the original tires, with lots of tread and no cracks. My wife said it road much better than it did when it went to Discount Tire. No doubt the rubber was pretty hard. Have another one with 24 year old tires that will be changed next week.
This reminds me of something else. The shelf life might include 3 years sitting at the tire dealer so when you buy them your shelf life may be already be half used up. Good to check on that when you buy.
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^This. What's not to like about a 20% increase in tread life by doing a 5 tire rotation. It makes no sense to save your spare. If you eventually have to use it, it will have more tread than the rest of the tires and if you don't, you will have a dangerous tire past it's life expectancy.Tires Have A 6 Year Shelf Life
I did the 5-Wheel Tire Rotation the other day at about 5,450 miles. I have the 32" BFG M/T tires. Before I rotated them - I would say the ride was not noisy, but now it is very different. I am figuring it is because the old Spare had zero miles on it, and it makes the Jeep seem to have more tires noise. Does that seem possible?
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Mine are always a little louder when I first rotate them. Then it goes back to normal.
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Anyone know miles wise how long the BFF mud terrains last just for road use?

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