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Old 08-20-2012, 09:04 AM   #1
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Cool Rubicon vs Sahara, a different question.

I am new here, I joined because I hope to become the owner of a wrangler very soon. I currently drive a 2006 accord, I am tired of the "sedan" life, but that is a different story.

My heart says Rubicon, but my brain (and wallet) tell me Sahara. I have never really been off roading on my own (I have been with others etc) and I am looking to buy a jeep soon.

I test drove an unlimited Sahara yesterday and I loved it. I did a lot of research, and it was everything I hoped for. I really want a 2012 due to the new engine etc.

My question: Will the Rubicon holds its value better over the Sahara? I work in finance, I think about that kind of stuff. To be honest, I can afford the Rubicon, do I REALLY need the extra off-road capabilities it has? Maybe not. But I do want to get into off-roading, and if the Rubicon does hold its value better, I may choose it over the Sahara.

Thanks for any input.

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I would go and drive the Rubicon as well and make sure you like the handling of both.

I had the same kind of issue when I was planning to order... technically, I probably don't need the Rubicon, but I liked the Rubicon. For $40 more per month, it wasn't breaking the bank.

I think both hold value well. And the Sahara is still capable of off-roading. You'll just have to manually do a lot of things that the Rubicon has buttons for.

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I drive a Sahara now, and I ordered a Rubicon. I paid about 26k in 2009 for the Sahara 2 door with all the bells and whistles. I financed 24k. My trade value is 22k right now and NADA retail is about 25k. I have low miles and the truck is in like new condition. The dealer already agreed to give me 22k on the trade.

I don't think you have to worry about any Wrangler retaining its value...

I don't need a Rubicon, but I have so much equity in the 2009, my note on the 36k Rubicon will be the same as the note on the Sahara I have now and I get leather and all the goodies in the Rubicon.

So drive both and see what you like.
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The Rubi will hold its value as well or better and if you do intend to go off-road it will perform better when the going really gets tuff. All JKs do better off-road than any other type of stock vehicle, the rubi just does it a little better.
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Old 08-20-2012, 10:22 AM   #5
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Thanks for the input guys.

I do have one more, potentially silly question.

I would LOVE to find a Rubicon that comes in the Tan Sahara Clearcoat color, but I cannot find one anywhere online.

I have seen pictures of a 2012 Rubicon in the tan color, but when I go to carmax or the jeep website, I don't see that as a color option for the Rubicon.

Does anyone know if the Sahara Tan is available on the Rubicon?

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really, all wranglers hold their value real well. The trade in for a sahara may be a bit lower than a rubicon, but thats only because it cost less to begin with. Ive seen used ones for sale on lots priced higher than what you can get a new one for
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Thanks for the input guys.

I do have one more, potentially silly question.

I would LOVE to find a Rubicon that comes in the Tan Sahara Clearcoat color, but I cannot find one anywhere online.

I have seen pictures of a 2012 Rubicon in the tan color, but when I go to carmax or the jeep website, I don't see that as a color option for the Rubicon.

Does anyone know if the Sahara Tan is available on the Rubicon?

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Sahara Tan was in production in 2011. There were few 2012 Sahara tans, as the color was available for a month, but i would really be surprised to find one.
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If you're not a hardcore off roading rock crawler you'd be perfectly fine with the Sahara. And later on if you do get more into the harder stuff you can always go aftermarket and build your Sahara better than a stock Rubicon. If you'd rather not spend a lot on aftermarket stuff after the fact but still want some bells and whistles then get the Rubicon. A Sport/Sahara is still a very capable vehicle even in stock form.
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If your jeep is for heavy commuting, no need for Dana44 front axle, lockers, 4.1 gears etc. If not, get all the fun stuff on a Rubi!!

There's no lockers on a Sahara, right (4WD is NOT really 4WD)?
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before buying our jeep. i talked to a couple of coworkers who are new jeepers. when asked if they had any regrets. they both said the same thing, "didn't get a rubicon". so, when lookin for ours. we didn't settle for any less. hope that helps
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As a percentage of sale price, Sport and Rubicon tend to hold their value best but all Wranglers hold their value quite well. Your total depreciation expense will be highest with Rubicon simply because there's more total cost that will depreciate over time.

All Wrangler are very off road capable but Rubicon is best if you're a hard core off roader. However some buy Rubicons just for the decal on the hood.

Rubicon is a little heavier and hence will consume a little more fuel. It's your choice on what the priorities are.
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As a percentage of sale price, Sport and Rubicon tend to hold their value best but all Wranglers hold their value quite well. Your total depreciation expense will be highest with Rubicon simply because there's more total cost that will depreciate over time.

Thanks for putting it in my language, ha.

I am going to test drive a Rubicon at my local dealer after work today. The response has been great. I really appreciate it everyone. I'll post my post test-drive thoughts later.
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The biggest difference you notice between the two is if the Rubicon is geared to 4.10's instead of 3.73 (both gearings were offered for the 12+ Rubi). The Sahara will be either 3.21 or 3.73 that you test drove. Also the Rubicon will have BFG KM1's where as the sahara has bridgestone street slicks or something like that. The different type of tire will effect your on road ride.
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Old 08-20-2012, 01:35 PM   #14
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Side by side. The rubicon is about an "1 taller, more agressive tread, and then the lockers, electric swaybar disconnect, 4:1 transfer case, and the 4:10 gearing. Plenty to like about a Rubicon. Sahara's can actually run more these days, it's all in how they are optioned.

Best bet, get into a few and see what options appeal to you. You may even find a Sport optioned the way you want it. Dealers have been known to lift them and re-shoe them and then add it to the sticker.Take your time to figure it all out. You'll be happy with your decision.

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Sahara's are real 4x4 yes, the Rubi' & the Sahara have different transfer cases, the Rubi TC has a better crawl ratio.
They do not come standard with lockers like a Rubi ( I have air lockers installed after I got mine)

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If your jeep is for heavy commuting, no need for Dana44 front axle, lockers, 4.1 gears etc. If not, get all the fun stuff on a Rubi!!

There's no lockers on a Sahara, right (4WD is NOT really 4WD)?
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I'm a fairly new jeeper myself and sadly my rubicon has yet to get off road to the extent that I would like to, done some mild stuff, but not often (I don't know anyone else that enjoys off road and I'm reluctant to go by myself and get stuck with no one around to pull me out), plus i'm just in a very busy time in my life (kind of make or break it business wise, so not a lot of free time at the moment).

Anyway, the way I figured it is right now it's a DD, but in 3-5 years (less?) it will become strictly a toy and I will have another DD in it's place. I will build it up over the next few years (already done some mods, changed the wheels etc) so that by the time it does become that toy it will already have the lift 35/37's, bumpers/winch etc and be ready for some more serious off-roading and because it's a rubicon I won't have to do sway bar/locker upgrades etc, it's all already there.

Maybe my thinking is a little off, but I see two completely opposite reasons to NOT get a Rubicon. First is, if you only plan to EVER do mild off roading, snow driving etc and just need a good overall four wheel drive for utility purposes, don't bother with the Rubicon, the base model and/or Sahara are fine for that. The other reason is like I said, completely opposite, if you're planning on immediately modifying the heck out of it for serious/hard core off roading you would probably want to upgrade the axles to dana 60's and in that case the dana 44's on the rubicon would be a waste, stick with the base/sahara.

I'm somewhere in between hence the Rubicon.
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I think you would be well served to look at all the options on the list for each model and see what you really want. If you don't want the interior, nav or fender/top color options and the Rubicon off road equipment isn't something you will use all the time you can save a lot of money just getting a Sport and the percentage of deprectiation is about the same. We got a Sport because we didn't want any of the other stuff and don't regret it a bit.

If you walk up to an average Rubicon owner and ask them what makes a Rubicon different I suspect there will be plenty that don't have any idea, it's just a status symbol to them.
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If you walk up to an average Rubicon owner and ask them what makes a Rubicon different I suspect there will be plenty that don't have any idea, it's just a status symbol to them.
lockers, sway bar disconnect, 4:1, 4:10, dana 44's and suspension geared for off road

Couldn't resist

But I have to admit, I DO like that it says Rubicon on the hood, cleaned off all badging on mine except that one (but still want to make it darker)
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lockers, sway bar disconnect, 4:1, 4:10, dana 44's and suspension geared for off road

Couldn't resist

But I have to admit, I DO like that it says Rubicon on the hood, cleaned off all badging on mine except that one (but still want to make it darker)
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I've had both, and currently have a Sahara. I wasn't able to justify the extra cost to get another Rubi. The Rubi is a very capable Jeep, and the Sahara is no slouch. I used the money I saved on the Sahara to do mods that fit more in line with what I will use the vehicle for (based on my prior experience of owning the Rubi).

As far as resale, I'd agree with all the other posts that say any Wrangler will have good resale.
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I would for the most part the extra cost in the Rubi isn't justified. Most people that own a Rubicon never need the lockers.

When you get into it, a Rubicon is best kept stock, that's what it is inteded for. It is meant to handle really rough terrain that the Sport and Sahara can't right out the box. The Rubicon Lockers are not the best and usually breakdown when going over a 35" tire and wheeling them hard. Also, as mentioned, most Rubi owners do not wheel hard enough to need lockers, stronger front axle and lower crawl ratio, what's the point? A Rubi is best served to stay stock or mildly built, IMO.

You can get a Sport with 3.73 and with the money saved over the Rubicon, re-gear to 4.56 or 4.88, get a small lift and some 33's and be damn near capable of a OEM Rubi with yours looking more unique. Hell you could probably even put some lockers in it that are stronger than the GKN unit.

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Do you really think that most Rubicon owners don't know what they bought? Most Jeep dealers I talked to tried to convince me that all I needed was a Sahara. I felt like they kept trying to talk me out of it? Anyway, I would hope most buyers would know what they are getting and that salesman wouldn't be trying to oversell.
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Excellent discussion - I have a related question: I already have a 2012 Sarah with the 3:21 gearing. Doesn't have the limited slip diff. In people's opinion, other than tires, what mod's would you do to a Sarah that aren't super expensive to make it a better off-road jeep?
I don't off road now, but would like to gradually get into it, life permitting. Will upgrade tires someday, just can't justify changing them immediately after spending so much on it. Will likely never get into serious offloading or rock crawling. Just light to medium off-roading.
Would it be manual sway bar disconnects? Maybe re-gear in the future, but that is expensive. How essential are lockers (is that the right word?), and how expensive. My first impression is that the manual sway bar disconnects would be the cheapest mod with the biggest improvement.
Or do I have to do anything to my Sarah at all, other than enjoy and begin to test it off-road.
Thank in advance all.
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Do you really think that most Rubicon owners don't know what they bought? Most Jeep dealers I talked to tried to convince me that all I needed was a Sahara. I felt like they kept trying to talk me out of it? Anyway, I would hope most buyers would know what they are getting and that salesman wouldn't be trying to oversell.
From what I see in my area, most people do know the difference and there are not a lot of Rubicons. There are 3 salesmen at the local dealer who can explain in detail, exactly the differences in the performance and capability between the Rubicon and the other models. Most people here have Sports and Saharas.
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Do your homework. Go to Kelly Blue Book and put in your zip. Pick any recent year Wrangler and compare used value Rubicon versus Sahara. Keep in mind that the MSRP for a 2 door Rubicon, 2012, is exactly $2,000 more than Sahara, but, most Sahara's come with more options than most Rubicons you find on the lot! Option out what you would buy. You WILL see that Rubicon retains more value than Sahara over what you would pay, by several hundred dollars, across the board. Also, remember that if you mod the vehicle, resale value actually goes down, regardless of cost of mods, in most cases. Also remember, if you are like me, if you consider a Rubicon and do not get one, you eventually will! Resale value the determining factor, Rubicon, all the way!
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My first impression is that the manual sway bar disconnects would be the cheapest mod with the biggest improvement.
Quick disconnects would be the cheapest mod with the most impact on trail capability. Shoes i feel like would be next. The right tires can make all the difference.

Also, in regards to the discos, if you bring two wrenches with you when you go wheeling, you can just remove the bolts on your stock swaybar endlinks and get the same effect for free (takes slightly longer than removing the quick discos, but that's why they call them quick), however...

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Or do I have to do anything to my Sarah at all, other than enjoy and begin to test it off-road.
...it never hurts to do it this way! then you can determine what kinds of mods would work best for you.
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