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Old 05-05-2013, 06:08 PM   #31
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I dont know what kind of wheeling you do, but I know I like as much articulation as possible.
I agree that articulation is a good thing. I think rti are a joke because you can fudge them a bit, but for a common denominator, 800-1100 is what most of our rigs will do on an rti ramp. I run te smallest tires out of the bunch and they are 35"s. most are 37"s and they are going to 40"s and 42"s.

We generally run the Sierra Nevada trails such as fordyce, rubicon, etc...

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Terrain, terrain, terrain folks. Everything is dependent on terrain. This is a great informative thread. No sense in differing on terrain choices as to whether you air down or not. I do both, air down and disconnect discos. It has always dismayed me why anyone would go off-road and not draw both pistols from the get go. These are the guys I end up strapping or winching.

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Like some others, the difference between a Sport S with options and a Rubi the way I wanted it was only a few grand. Figuring wheels, M/T's, lockers, e-disco, 4:1 TC, and of course the ever coveted embroidered RUBICON logo on the seats it just made sense to go Rubi.

In certain situations my buddies have to use "momentum" to clear terrain, whereas I can just lock up, disconnect, 4-lo it and slowly dig my way through.

Also, if I had a base Sport I'd probably go broke modding it to my liking. The Rubi just seems to fit the bill of "wants/need" very nicely to me. Not saying I don't want mods, I just don't feel I "need" them.
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The Rubi is worth all the extra you pay in my opinion. The power convenience package, power windows, door locks, navigation, remote start, heated seats, etc. is nice, in addition to the lockers inside 44s, 4.1 t case, and the electronic sway bar, which I had not one issue with in 45,000 miles, and still haven't seen one issue with the sway bar coming thru the shop.
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You guys forgot that the rubi also has rubi rails and a padded hood on the inside
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I see a better benefit in the new Rubicons then the older pre-2012's. In the older JK's with the 3.8L, those doing serious trail riding more then likely were re-gearing whether it was a Sport or a Rubicon and it wasn't much more to slap a locker in the Sport while re-gearing and unless you were doing some serious rock crawling then the Sport's transfer ratio was just fine with the new gear at 4.88 or 5.13. So since more people were more then likely re-gearing anyways then the Sport was a great option. To me the older Sports had a greater appeal because most of the modding would be done to a rubi as well so the Sport made a lot of sense to many.


Now with the new 2012+ the Rubicon with 4.10 gears can handle 35's with ease and 37's are alright to get by with. So there is a less chance you will need to re-gear a newer Rubicon which gives it a big advantage in the modding process. Now if your not going to ride any trails or just lite trail riding then get a Sport or Sahara. A Rubicon has no real advantage on the road and it is a myth that the Rubicon has a better re-sale value. The Sport actually has a 4% better re-sale value after 4 years.
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I see a better benefit in the new Rubicons then the older pre-2012's. In the older JK's with the 3.8L, those doing serious trail riding more then likely were re-gearing whether it was a Sport or a Rubicon and it wasn't much more to slap a locker in the Sport while re-gearing and unless you were doing some serious rock crawling then the Sport's transfer ratio was just fine with the new gear at 4.88 or 5.13. So since more people were more then likely re-gearing anyways then the Sport was a great option. To me the older Sports had a greater appeal because most of the modding would be done to a rubi as well so the Sport made a lot of sense to many.

Now with the new 2012+ the Rubicon with 4.10 gears can handle 35's with ease and 37's are alright to get by with. So there is a less chance you will need to re-gear a newer Rubicon which gives it a big advantage in the modding process. Now if your not going to ride any trails or just lite trail riding then get a Sport or Sahara. A Rubicon has no real advantage on the road and it is a myth that the Rubicon has a better re-sale value. The Sport actually has a 4% better re-sale value after 4 years.
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The Rubi is worth all the extra you pay in my opinion. The power convenience package, power windows, door locks, navigation, remote start, heated seats, etc. is nice, in addition to the lockers inside 44s, 4.1 t case, and the electronic sway bar, which I had not one issue with in 45,000 miles, and still haven't seen one issue with the sway bar coming thru the shop.
I got my new Rubi as a retirement/mid-life crisis present when I retired from the USAF. I researched the hell out of this very question. I have some bolt on mods, but the only significant things I'm doing are a 2.5" lift and some 33's. Other than that the Rubi is more than I'll ever need which suits me just fine.

I wanted power convienience, leather, remote start, and all the good Rubi stuff, so thats what I got and couldn't be happier!

Wife asked me while I was debating..."If you pull up to a stop light next to a Rubi, is it always gonna bother you that you didn't just go for it?" I'll admit that it probably would have, lol. I guess I'm a little shallow also, I love the RUBICON on my hood.

Someone said in a thread, "If you want to look cool at the mall, get a sport and jack it up, if you are gonna do the majority of camping/fire roads and trails that most people do, a Rubi is overkill, which is good! Better to have and not need, just for those oh $hit moments. If you're gonna get REALLY serious, go back to a Sport and build from the ground up into a rock killing machine." (Or something like that.)

I dont do ANY serious rock crawling in Vegas, high desert and rocky washes, etc. I love my Rubi for being more Jeep than I probably really need.

Of course, I DID want all the interior niceties, so for me a Sport wasn't on the table. The price gap between the Sahara and Rubi was much smaller, so I went for it.

Not knocking ANYBODY for their taste or budget! Just my rational for me, but I am apparently a shallow egomaniac...
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Old 05-05-2013, 11:00 PM   #39
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These threads are pointless... People justifying what they bought give it a rest and go drive your jeeps...to the op get what you want and be happy
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These threads are pointless... People justifying what they bought give it a rest and go drive your jeeps...to the op get what you want and be happy

Absolutely not true. People ask questions because they don't know the answer and this thread is a long way from pointless. Yes there are many opinions and some of them are to justify what they personally bought but if someone is new to a Wrangler then they come here for advise. There are three models for a reason. It is to meet a need for each individual and if you don't know all the different add-on for each model then you come here for advise and ask the question, which is right for me.
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Am I the only person ever to own a Rubicon with manual windows and door locks?
I had an 09 x (sport) and hated it. I have a 10 rubi and love it. Better gears, transfer case and lockers. You will easily spend the 5k price difference plus some to upgrade to Rubicon features down the line, if you can find an or xfer case.
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As previously mentioned it depends on what type of wheeling you do,if rock crawling is your thing and you like 4-5 rated trails then a sport would stuggle a bit.But the real weakness of both models if they are stock are clearance.

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Are you talking about doing 4's and 5's out of 5 in stock jeeps? Or maybe 4's and 5's out of 10? Very few parks rate past 5's but lots of clubs and web sights will rate them to 10. Same trail will be a 3 at the park but other people call it a 6 or 7. At lest that has been the case at most places I have been.

If you are talking about 4of5 or 5of5 neather one is going to do them in stock form unless there are bypasses all over the place, and still then I dont see it.
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The Rubi is pretty amazing off the lot. Highly recommend it.
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If I was buying today, I'd get a Rubicon in Commando green with no extra options other than a hard top and connectivity (great to have with a 6 speed). That said, I still love my plain ol' Sport with '13 Rubicon wheels/tires added. 7k difference on the window sticker between mine and a Rubicon equipped like mine is a lot.
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Any difference in the suspension (shocks, springs, ride height) between the sport and the rubicon?
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What a controversy indeed

This is a great thread from two basic points.
First off, there have been over 30 replies in just as many hours since the original post- this is amazing as to how many people read and participate on this forum.
Second, with all the posts, no one has hijacked it, or engaged in serious trash talking nonsense which again still shows this thread has some promise in truly being helpful. Thanks everyone for being so helpful to the original question.

Now, for my two cents, which will hopefully not violate the second point. If you are looking for a Jeep JK, (sport or Rubicon) either will treat you well right off the lot. So just go for what you can afford and what you want. Most people buying a car will think ahead "What will I be using this for", If your situation is daily driver, out on forest roads, driving on primitive roads for hiking/biking/camping trails, then the Sport will do just great. 4-Wheel drive and a two speed transfer case will do wonders with the stock tire and wheel clearance. If you decide to get rid of it, fine, just trade it in for the higher 4% value as stated in an earlier post.
Now, let's say you become a Jeep junkie like me and about 1,000,000 other people on this forum, and get the itch to go 4-wheeling or further out into nowhere. No problem, the aftermarket support is phenomenal for the Jeep and you can evolve into "Your Jeep Version 2.0" by adding maybe a rear locker and a winch, maybe some sway bar disconnects. This will give you even more confidence to go where you want. If you fall out of favor with off-roading, no big deal, it's not like you are invested too far into your rig, and the next guy/gal will pick up where you left off when you sell it.
If you are confident and know for a fact you want to "go nuts" into the great sport of off-roading, then the Rubicon will be a great place to start. Factory lockers front and rear with electronic sway bar disconnects and a lower geared transfer case will give you a great place to start, and you can readily invest in a winch or other important recovery aids. If you don't want these features or don't think you need them, why buy them? There are plenty of used Rubicons out there where the locker or sway bar switch has never been turned on at all. If all you want is the Rubicon glitz, why not buy a Sport and just get the Rubicon decal and glue it to your hood?
(BTW, I agree with an earlier post that lift and tires for better ground clearance, (not just looks) will be important for Sport or Rubicon, but not essential up front since the ground clearance is great already)

Technology and engineering in four-wheeling is essential, but as with all motorsports, the skill of the driver has to be present to do what you want your Jeep to do. One can certainly compensate for the other to varying degrees. We all know of people who can take on serious trails in a stock Sport while a new guy in a Rubicon holds up the group getting stuck all the time. Ultimately, there will be trails that both are required, but only serious off-roaders drive on them, and for these drivers, they already know what they want in a rig and have the moxie to make it work. One could argue a perfect world would be an experienced/skilled driver in a Rubicon (or other Jeep with a lo-gear transfer case, lockers, and sway bar disconnects) to take on some of the toughest trails, i.e. the Rubicon itself, but that is just an extrapolation, not argumentative.
In the end, I feel the classic adage is, "We all started from somewhere, so just simply start and see where your Jeep takes you (literally)."

Now the next thread will be "How one can start a local Jeepers Anonymous support group", members will find therapy/support because they have difficulty staying on paved roads and an overzealous desire to add random mechanical and cosmetic upgrades to a perfectly normal vehicle.
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Absolutely not true. People ask questions because they don't know the answer and this thread is a long way from pointless. Yes there are many opinions and some of them are to justify what they personally bought but if someone is new to a Wrangler then they come here for advise. There are three models for a reason. It is to meet a need for each individual and if you don't know all the different add-on for each model then you come here for advise and ask the question, which is right for me.
X2, in this Forum we try to express our opinions and help each other. Your nasty comments aren't justified or needed so if you don't like what you read here, then move on..............Good Bye.
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Any difference in the suspension (shocks, springs, ride height) between the sport and the rubicon?
Shocks yes, springs no, ride height no. Same engine, frame, body, transmission, brakes, rear axle.

Different front axle, transfer case, sway bar system
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I'm sure most people have seen it already but just in case some haven't, another good place to go for comparison's sake is the Capability section of the Jeep website. Plenty of cool little videos n junk that show the basic differences in the 4wd systems/lockers/LSD, etc... I referred to that a few times not only when I bought my Rubi but also when she got her Compass.
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Since you mention trails, I guess it depends on how you define "real world". Many people on this forum do trails that a stock Sport would struggle on, but this forum is probably comprised of only 5-15% of real world Jeep drivers.
I think your estimate is even too high, i.e. 1 out of 10 JK owners do seriously rock crawling? Considering how many JK have been sold, I seriously don't think so. Most JK I've seen are very clean.
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Shocks yes, springs no, ride height no. Same engine, frame, body, transmission, brakes, rear axle.

Different front axle, transfer case, sway bar system
and differential gears.
Agree with everything that you said, but ride height/springs. It depends on which springs that you wind up with. For whatever reason they seem to very on the same models.
My Rubicon has 14 fronts and 57 rears and my neighbors Sport has 12 fronts and 55 rears. Both have 255/75r/17s tires, he put Rubicon wheels and tires on his. Mine sets about 3/4 of a inch higher. We measured them at the same spot.
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2dr or 4dr? Are the springs labeled?
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A tiny consolation might be that a stock Sport with the optional anti-spin, might beat the Rubicon to the destination where 4L is to be engaged (where the Rubicon can activate its lockers). Then again the anti-spin, and even just the BLD is quite effective.
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I think your estimate is even too high, i.e. 1 out of 10 JK owners do seriously rock crawling? Considering how many JK have been sold, I seriously don't think so. Most JK I've seen are very clean.
I agree with you based on what I have seen out on the trails. Some times there will be a lot of JKs out but only a few of them will make a go at the hard trails. Of corse it all comes down to perspective since the definition of hard is different to everone.
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If you ask a yj guy he will tell you every yj is far superior to any jeep period. and a jk is a mini van and couldn't make it through a mud puddle. Lol.
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If you ask a yj guy he will tell you every yj is far superior to any jeep period. and a jk is a mini van and couldn't make it through a mud puddle. Lol.
You know that is true if you ask some guy you see on the streat or on a forum, not so much about a guy you run into on the trails.
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Dont know what kind of rock crawling you claim to do, but around the Sierra nevadas, we can't roll like that. Don't know anyone that can.
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In real world terms, what can the rubicon do that the other models cant in stock platforms. So basically can a regular model keep up with a rubicon, on the same trail, with the drivers of equal skill level?

Again REAL world conditions.
Everyone defintion of "real world" is different.

The stock Sport is well equipped to handle most trails (not rock crawling). A Rubi (by locking up) will be able to do it slower and safer.....and not tear up the trail.
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Don't forget that if we are talking completely stock with no kind of mods at all the tires alone one the rubi make it a winner in almost everything but the sand.
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I got the Rubi so I wouldn't have Jeep envy at most traffic lights.

Seriously though, for me it was a mixture of "I can afford it" and "I won't do these mods by myself" and "I might use these features it once in a long while". I have gone off-road in Moab and have NOT used the disco or even lockers yet in the field.

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